Powers & Abilities Shanks Has A Mythical Power In His Sword Too
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Mihawk’s sword still the best since ryuma finally making him strong enough to compete with the likes of warlords, emperor commanders, and pre 1 billion berry shanks
That’s because he is
It just so happens it’s a title the emperors and admirals couldn’t care less about
He vista and zoro can have fun deciding on the next holder
That’s because he is
It just so happens it’s a title the emperors and admirals couldn’t care less about
He vista and zoro can have fun deciding on the next holder
I'm not ruling it out but considering Shanks is literally this generation's hakiman and is a protégé of Roger(who had no DF abilities) it seems unlikely.
Speaking of "Shanks is not a swordsman" agenda, Oda will likely introduce an unusual use of haki if he does decide to put his boy above Mihawk rather than give him any DF imo.
Speaking of "Shanks is not a swordsman" agenda, Oda will likely introduce an unusual use of haki if he does decide to put his boy above Mihawk rather than give him any DF imo.
It isn't "my interpretation", it's what Zoro thinks of the title.
Or rather, it's what Oda wants the readers to think about Zoro's dream.
As the WSS, Mihawk does not lose to any swordsman in a fight.
That is an objective fact and not up for discussion.
What confirmed wins do Whitebeard or Kaido have?
Do we microanalyze what their titles mean?
Or do we keep these standards solely to the only title which is undeniably certain by virtue of being the dream of an MC?
Talking about Haki-based swordsmen are a bit simpler, since we have the likes of Zoro & Oden as a benchmark.
Big Mom is a case where she fails to combine her swordsmanship & her devil fruit ability in a cohesive manner.
Which ends up with her having two distinct fighting styles, moves which can be argued as giant swordsmanship (Ikoku, Mamaraid etc,.) and moves which are due to the Soul DF ability (her Homie attacks, Misery).
Fujitora, f.ex., has zero excuses.
Gravito or "Gravity Blade" is his fighting style and there is zero reason to say Raging Tiger isn't swordsmanship just cuz the Gravity DF is used.
Or rather, it's what Oda wants the readers to think about Zoro's dream.
As the WSS, Mihawk does not lose to any swordsman in a fight.
That is an objective fact and not up for discussion.
What confirmed wins do Whitebeard or Kaido have?
Do we microanalyze what their titles mean?
Or do we keep these standards solely to the only title which is undeniably certain by virtue of being the dream of an MC?
Talking about Haki-based swordsmen are a bit simpler, since we have the likes of Zoro & Oden as a benchmark.
Big Mom is a case where she fails to combine her swordsmanship & her devil fruit ability in a cohesive manner.
Which ends up with her having two distinct fighting styles, moves which can be argued as giant swordsmanship (Ikoku, Mamaraid etc,.) and moves which are due to the Soul DF ability (her Homie attacks, Misery).
Fujitora, f.ex., has zero excuses.
Gravito or "Gravity Blade" is his fighting style and there is zero reason to say Raging Tiger isn't swordsmanship just cuz the Gravity DF is used.
Zoro also said King never called himself a swordsman in response to him using other abilities.
That doesn't mean Zoro would be like "ok King, I can lose to you now"
But sure it's true, if you call yourself a swordsman, Zoro will never accept defeat. But his opponents have actually done the opposite
Both times Oda referenced other abilities as a means to avoid the swordsman label on them. And Zoro still approached the fight all the same. That's who Zoro is.
Yea then it becomes a matter of whoever considers themselves a swordsman. Not to say those characters would qualify for WSS, but yea there is no guarantee someone like Big Mom or Kizaru would classify themselves as swordsman despite being swordsman irl terms.
But it will be funny to see what happens when Gandhi who likely considers himself a swordsman, be unkillable and Nika does something to make him mortal.
That doesn't mean Zoro would be like "ok King, I can lose to you now"
But sure it's true, if you call yourself a swordsman, Zoro will never accept defeat. But his opponents have actually done the opposite
Both times Oda referenced other abilities as a means to avoid the swordsman label on them. And Zoro still approached the fight all the same. That's who Zoro is.
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It isn't "my interpretation", it's what Zoro thinks of the title.
Or rather, it's what Oda wants the readers to think about Zoro's dream.
As the WSS, Mihawk does not lose to any swordsman in a fight.
That is an objective fact and not up for discussion.
What confirmed wins do Whitebeard or Kaido have?
Do we microanalyze what their titles mean?
Or do we keep these standards solely to the only title which is undeniably certain by virtue of being the dream of an MC?
Talking about Haki-based swordsmen are a bit simpler, since we have the likes of Zoro & Oden as a benchmark.
Big Mom is a case where she fails to combine her swordsmanship & her devil fruit ability in a cohesive manner.
Which ends up with her having two distinct fighting styles, moves which can be argued as giant swordsmanship (Ikoku, Mamaraid etc,.) and moves which are due to the Soul DF ability (her Homie attacks, Misery).
Fujitora, f.ex., has zero excuses.
Gravito or "Gravity Blade" is his fighting style and there is zero reason to say Raging Tiger isn't swordsmanship just cuz the Gravity DF is used.
Or rather, it's what Oda wants the readers to think about Zoro's dream.
As the WSS, Mihawk does not lose to any swordsman in a fight.
That is an objective fact and not up for discussion.
What confirmed wins do Whitebeard or Kaido have?
Do we microanalyze what their titles mean?
Or do we keep these standards solely to the only title which is undeniably certain by virtue of being the dream of an MC?
Talking about Haki-based swordsmen are a bit simpler, since we have the likes of Zoro & Oden as a benchmark.
Big Mom is a case where she fails to combine her swordsmanship & her devil fruit ability in a cohesive manner.
Which ends up with her having two distinct fighting styles, moves which can be argued as giant swordsmanship (Ikoku, Mamaraid etc,.) and moves which are due to the Soul DF ability (her Homie attacks, Misery).
Fujitora, f.ex., has zero excuses.
Gravito or "Gravity Blade" is his fighting style and there is zero reason to say Raging Tiger isn't swordsmanship just cuz the Gravity DF is used.
But it will be funny to see what happens when Gandhi who likely considers himself a swordsman, be unkillable and Nika does something to make him mortal.
Zoro also said King never called himself a swordsman in response to him using other abilities.
That doesn't mean Zoro would be like "ok King, I can lose to you now"
But sure it's true, if you call yourself a swordsman, Zoro will never accept defeat. But his opponents have actually done the opposite
Both times Oda referenced other abilities as a means to avoid the swordsman label on them. And Zoro still approached the fight all the same. That's who Zoro is.
Yea then it becomes a matter of whoever considers themselves a swordsman. Not to say those characters would qualify for WSS, but yea there is no guarantee someone like Big Mom or Kizaru would classify themselves as swordsman despite being swordsman irl terms.
But it will be funny to see what happens when Gandhi who likely considers himself a swordsman, be unkillable and Nika does something to make him mortal.
That doesn't mean Zoro would be like "ok King, I can lose to you now"
But sure it's true, if you call yourself a swordsman, Zoro will never accept defeat. But his opponents have actually done the opposite
Both times Oda referenced other abilities as a means to avoid the swordsman label on them. And Zoro still approached the fight all the same. That's who Zoro is.
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Yea then it becomes a matter of whoever considers themselves a swordsman. Not to say those characters would qualify for WSS, but yea there is no guarantee someone like Big Mom or Kizaru would classify themselves as swordsman despite being swordsman irl terms.
But it will be funny to see what happens when Gandhi who likely considers himself a swordsman, be unkillable and Nika does something to make him mortal.
Law and fujis fruits are used through their swords like haki
Kizaru literally has trained in swordsmanship he is not the same as big mom
Yes I do. I never considered Kaidou stronger than Whitebeard despite creature being > man.
I look at titles as descriptors.
Even WB, he's the WSM because he has the gura to me ontop of equality with Roger. He has an equal, but his devil fruit fits the bill for the WSM title.
Idk about Shamrock either. BM is just as much a swordsman as he is, I would argue as much as any of them really.
With Kizaru, atleast he has to conjure up a blade. Big Mom always has hers by her side.
I look at titles as descriptors.
Even WB, he's the WSM because he has the gura to me ontop of equality with Roger. He has an equal, but his devil fruit fits the bill for the WSM title.
Idk about Shamrock either. BM is just as much a swordsman as he is, I would argue as much as any of them really.
With Kizaru, atleast he has to conjure up a blade. Big Mom always has hers by her side.
It isn't "my interpretation", it's what Zoro thinks of the title.
Or rather, it's what Oda wants the readers to think about Zoro's dream.
As the WSS, Mihawk does not lose to any swordsman in a fight.
That is an objective fact and not up for discussion.
What confirmed wins do Whitebeard or Kaido have?
Do we microanalyze what their titles mean?
Or do we keep these standards solely to the only title which is undeniably certain by virtue of being the dream of an MC?
Talking about Haki-based swordsmen are a bit simpler, since we have the likes of Zoro & Oden as a benchmark.
Big Mom is a case where she fails to combine her swordsmanship & her devil fruit ability in a cohesive manner.
Which ends up with her having two distinct fighting styles, moves which can be argued as giant swordsmanship (Ikoku, Mamaraid etc,.) and moves which are due to the Soul DF ability (her Homie attacks, Misery).
Fujitora, f.ex., has zero excuses.
Gravito or "Gravity Blade" is his fighting style and there is zero reason to say Raging Tiger isn't swordsmanship just cuz the Gravity DF is used.
Or rather, it's what Oda wants the readers to think about Zoro's dream.
As the WSS, Mihawk does not lose to any swordsman in a fight.
That is an objective fact and not up for discussion.
What confirmed wins do Whitebeard or Kaido have?
Do we microanalyze what their titles mean?
Or do we keep these standards solely to the only title which is undeniably certain by virtue of being the dream of an MC?
Talking about Haki-based swordsmen are a bit simpler, since we have the likes of Zoro & Oden as a benchmark.
Big Mom is a case where she fails to combine her swordsmanship & her devil fruit ability in a cohesive manner.
Which ends up with her having two distinct fighting styles, moves which can be argued as giant swordsmanship (Ikoku, Mamaraid etc,.) and moves which are due to the Soul DF ability (her Homie attacks, Misery).
Fujitora, f.ex., has zero excuses.
Gravito or "Gravity Blade" is his fighting style and there is zero reason to say Raging Tiger isn't swordsmanship just cuz the Gravity DF is used.
If we were to say who has the best track record against swordsmen on screen, it would be Zoro—the same Zoro who isn't even stated to be, considered to be, or actually is the world's strongest swordsman yet. Narratively, he's still considered weaker than Mihawk.
So why does having more matter?
But, but, Sasaki—Zoro's opponents weren’t that strong? Okay, but which great swordsman did Fujitora defeat? Which great swordsman did Rayleigh defeat? Green Bull? Shanks? The bald Gorosei?
Which great swordsman did Oden defeat? What’s Oden’s fight record?
You can see that it's not just Mihawk who lacks feats—it's everyone else too.
It’s as if the author is either lazy or simply doesn’t need to show all of this because simple statements, like declarations, save him the effort.
The thing is neither the WSM nor the WSC title have been given the context behind its meaning the way Zoro clearly established for the WSS title.
Questioning what "wins" Mihawk has is an exercise in futility.
And about Shamrock... what's the problem there? What makes him a non-swordsman anyway? Oda said that Zoro's swords eating the Dragon Zoan is a cool idea btw.
Questioning what "wins" Mihawk has is an exercise in futility.
And about Shamrock... what's the problem there? What makes him a non-swordsman anyway? Oda said that Zoro's swords eating the Dragon Zoan is a cool idea btw.
I think people should read the damn manga better before demanding that Mihawk be shown defeating multiple swordsmen just to prove he’s the best.
So what right do I have to demand a grand fight record for Mihawk when 99% of the verse suffers from the same issue? LOL.
Kizaru had another arc to collect achievements and the last thing he did was hit his best friend and get beaten up...
- Kizaru spent the entire damn war at Marineford and didn’t defeat anyone—Marco didn’t lose.
- Akainu didn’t defeat Whitebeard; he contributed to his death, but he didn’t defeat him. The only ones he actually defeated were: Ace (who threw himself in), Curiel (off-screen), and Jinbei, who was busy carrying Luffy while also being pressured by the other two admirals (a shared feat).
- Aokiji? His only real victim was Jozu, who had his guard down. (He jumped into Old Garp with several commanders helping him)
- Mihawk? He defeated Daz Bones.
- Fujitora? Didn’t defeat anyone—oh wait, he captured Law… with Doffy’s help.
- Big Mom?
- Who did Whitebeard defeat before Marineford?
So what right do I have to demand a grand fight record for Mihawk when 99% of the verse suffers from the same issue? LOL.
Kizaru had another arc to collect achievements and the last thing he did was hit his best friend and get beaten up...
Didn't try to
True he only put a hole in him and blew half his face off
Why is off-guard Jozu unable to tank one attack? Isn't his durability supposed to be top-tier?
Can you imagine Meme going down in one hit after getting hit off-guard?
99% of the verse doesn't have 99% of their portrayal wrapped up in a title.
True he only put a hole in him and blew half his face off
Why is off-guard Jozu unable to tank one attack? Isn't his durability supposed to be top-tier?
Can you imagine Meme going down in one hit after getting hit off-guard?
99% of the verse doesn't have 99% of their portrayal wrapped up in a title.
The fight record is a counterargument to someone saying the title is based exclusively off of wins and losses. So that's essentially the argument you would have to make, not me. I'm saying Mihawk doesn't need to have defeated anyone to be the WSS, because that's not what the title means to me, that's just a byproduct of it.
If that's what the title means to you, then that's where you have to ask yourself who has he fought? That's not a question I ask myself, I don't care who Mihawk has fought. Doesn't change his position for me.
To me the title means Mihawk is at the pinnacle of swordsmanship, a byproduct of this means I should bet on him against someone who is relying on swordsmanship to carry them, or calls themselves a swordsman.
The exact same can be said for King, my point wasn't that Shamrock isn't a swordsman. My point was what's the difference between Big Mom and those guys?
I would bet my house that Oda doesn't see Big Mom defaulting as a loss due to Mihawk's title. That's just not how he does things.
Big Mom despite being a swordsman to me, is not defined by her swordsmanship, thus there's enough ambiguity in the One Piece verse for her to not call herself a swordsman. The exact same can apply to Shamrock.
If that's what the title means to you, then that's where you have to ask yourself who has he fought? That's not a question I ask myself, I don't care who Mihawk has fought. Doesn't change his position for me.
To me the title means Mihawk is at the pinnacle of swordsmanship, a byproduct of this means I should bet on him against someone who is relying on swordsmanship to carry them, or calls themselves a swordsman.
The exact same can be said for King, my point wasn't that Shamrock isn't a swordsman. My point was what's the difference between Big Mom and those guys?
I would bet my house that Oda doesn't see Big Mom defaulting as a loss due to Mihawk's title. That's just not how he does things.
Big Mom despite being a swordsman to me, is not defined by her swordsmanship, thus there's enough ambiguity in the One Piece verse for her to not call herself a swordsman. The exact same can apply to Shamrock.
I almost forgot not only was mihawk leaching off the world government because he couldn’t make it big enough himself
Not only was mihawk ready to leach off of crocodile and his utopia plan because he knew alone he wasn’t good enough
Now he’s leaching off of buggy’s emperor status because he knows that means the world government will focus
Its not about mihawk not caring it’s just he can’t do anything unless carried by others and their aspirations
Let me show you my real sword skill
Not only was mihawk ready to leach off of crocodile and his utopia plan because he knew alone he wasn’t good enough
Now he’s leaching off of buggy’s emperor status because he knows that means the world government will focus
Its not about mihawk not caring it’s just he can’t do anything unless carried by others and their aspirations
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The point isnt what the title means to you or me. Its about what it means to Zoro.
Are you gonna argue against Zoro defining the title holder as a swordsman who never loses to any other, by questioning for Mihawk's track record?
Clearly Zoro doesnt care about who Mihawk has defeated, he's been aiming to surpass one guy for 1000+ chapters and isnt changing his target based on track records.
Ive explained that to you already, about Big Mom having two distinct fighting styles.
There is no reason to consider folks like Big Mom or King or Franky as swordsmen.
I dont think Shamrock using a sword which has a DF power is something more outside swordsmanship than Zoro manifesting 3 heads & 9 arms.
Are you gonna argue against Zoro defining the title holder as a swordsman who never loses to any other, by questioning for Mihawk's track record?
Clearly Zoro doesnt care about who Mihawk has defeated, he's been aiming to surpass one guy for 1000+ chapters and isnt changing his target based on track records.
Ive explained that to you already, about Big Mom having two distinct fighting styles.
There is no reason to consider folks like Big Mom or King or Franky as swordsmen.
I dont think Shamrock using a sword which has a DF power is something more outside swordsmanship than Zoro manifesting 3 heads & 9 arms.
Yes we've established to Zoro he can't afford to lose to anyone who calls themselves a swordsman.
Someone who calls themselves a swordsman in this verse is most likely going to be relying on their swordsmanship to carry them in battle. It all amounts to the same thing at the end of the day.
We don't know enough about Shamrock, we saw one panel of him turning his sword into a dog demon and literally leaving the scene while this animal sword beast does his bidding.
This is like Big Mom creating Misery with her homies using her blade to conjure it up, and it acting on its own. I don't consider Misery swordsmanship. I don't think any sane person should.
I'm assuming Shamrock is a swordsman based off design, but he hasn't done anything that cements it, King was displaying more swordsmanship than whatever the hell Shamrock did in the latest chapter.
But this is more about the characters considering themselves swordsman anyway, if they have a deep enough ability set, then Oda has shown he is comfortable with not placing the swordsman label on them.
Someone who calls themselves a swordsman in this verse is most likely going to be relying on their swordsmanship to carry them in battle. It all amounts to the same thing at the end of the day.
We don't know enough about Shamrock, we saw one panel of him turning his sword into a dog demon and literally leaving the scene while this animal sword beast does his bidding.
This is like Big Mom creating Misery with her homies using her blade to conjure it up, and it acting on its own. I don't consider Misery swordsmanship. I don't think any sane person should.
I'm assuming Shamrock is a swordsman based off design, but he hasn't done anything that cements it, King was displaying more swordsmanship than whatever the hell Shamrock did in the latest chapter.
But this is more about the characters considering themselves swordsman anyway, if they have a deep enough ability set, then Oda has shown he is comfortable with not placing the swordsman label on them.
I almost forgot not only was mihawk leaching off the world government because he couldn’t make it big enough himself
Not only was mihawk ready to leach off of crocodile and his utopia plan because he knew alone he wasn’t good enough
Now he’s leaching off of buggy’s emperor status because he knows that means the world government will focus
Its not about mihawk not caring it’s just he can’t do anything unless carried by others and their aspirations
Let me show you my real sword skill
Not only was mihawk ready to leach off of crocodile and his utopia plan because he knew alone he wasn’t good enough
Now he’s leaching off of buggy’s emperor status because he knows that means the world government will focus
Its not about mihawk not caring it’s just he can’t do anything unless carried by others and their aspirations
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Let me show you my real sword skill