Controversial Black Beard team is soooo weak and this showcases why BB wasn't planned as FV

[Blackbeard]

Wiki has it translated as thunderstorm

Popular zoan would be Raiju lol

A mythological creature that has an alternative name of Shiryu’s Meito, how can this be a coincidence?

Did more research on that mythological creature and the fanmade wiki already has a fruit that depicts it:

https://onepiecefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Inu_Inu_no_Mi,_Model:_Raijū

Inu Inu no Mi: Raiju

Raijū were seen as divine beasts, akin to the thunder gods (raijin). Nothing was known about them except that they were fast, merciless, and deadly.

Another legend involves the samurai Tachibana Dōsetsu. One night he was taking shelter from a storm under a tree when lightning struck. He drew his sword just in time to strike the bolt. When the smoke had cleared, there was a dead raijū on the ground next to him. Afterwards, he named his sword Raikiri, or “lightning cutter.”


Zoro bros…

@L57 @HA001 @nik87

 

[L57]

A mythological creature that has an alternative name of Shiryu’s Meito, how can this be a coincidence?

Did more research on that mythological creature and the fanmade wiki already has a fruit that depicts it:

https://onepiecefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Inu_Inu_no_Mi,_Model:_Raijū

Inu Inu no Mi: Raiju

Raijū were seen as divine beasts, akin to the thunder gods (raijin). Nothing was known about them except that they were fast, merciless, and deadly.

Another legend involves the samurai Tachibana Dōsetsu. One night he was taking shelter from a storm under a tree when lightning struck. He drew his sword just in time to strike the bolt. When the smoke had cleared, there was a dead raijū on the ground next to him. Afterwards, he named his sword Raikiri, or “lightning cutter.”


Zoro bros…

@L57 @HA001 @nik87

In whiryu we trust aokiji s superior
The god of thunderstorms

 

[park_min young]

Blackbeard ending up as the final villain will actually be a Kaguya-esque level of plot twist lol. Imu and the WG has more build up and makes more sense as FV.

 

[nik87]

A mythological creature that has an alternative name of Shiryu’s Meito, how can this be a coincidence?

Did more research on that mythological creature and the fanmade wiki already has a fruit that depicts it:

https://onepiecefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Inu_Inu_no_Mi,_Model:_Raijū

Inu Inu no Mi: Raiju

Raijū were seen as divine beasts, akin to the thunder gods (raijin). Nothing was known about them except that they were fast, merciless, and deadly.

Another legend involves the samurai Tachibana Dōsetsu. One night he was taking shelter from a storm under a tree when lightning struck. He drew his sword just in time to strike the bolt. When the smoke had cleared, there was a dead raijū on the ground next to him. Afterwards, he named his sword Raikiri, or “lightning cutter.”


Zoro bros…

@L57 @HA001 @nik87

Very interesting stuff.
I know Mihawk will be a powerhouse second to none but I am more excited about Shiryu.
But hold on, what does this mean regarding the Yamata No Orochi?! It's too good to just leave it there...

 

[L57]

Very interesting stuff.
I know Mihawk will be a powerhouse second to none but I am more excited about Shiryu.
But hold on, what does this mean regarding the Yamata No Orochi?! It's too good to just leave it there...

Aside from 8 lives,yamato no orochi is underwheling
While god of thunderstorms is build different

 

[nik87]

Aside from 8 lives,yamato no orochi is underwheling
While god of thunderstorms is build different

That's the most basic ability of that fruit.
Mythical Zoans are usually stuffed with several abilities.
Enel will always be a better Thunder God.
Orochi-fied sword is the supreme fruit that Shiryu can wish for.

 

[Jailer]

Aside from 8 lives,yamato no orochi is underwheling
While god of thunderstorms is build different

It depends how he would use it. Tbh the zoan could transfoem their heads into 8 blades, making such a quality blade seem like 8 of those at the same time

Both this and Raiju as a zoan weapon match Shiryu fighting style tbh. But we will see if he gets any at all in the first place because usually you need Vegapunk for such things.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Nik cooking for once?
Dont know if can see the vision tho, atp. i see only 3 direct counters with the dfs and abilities we know and seen

Luffy - Blackbeard erases fruit
Zoro - Shiryu disarms Zoro and makes his swords invisible so Zoro can’t pick them back up
Sanji - Lafitte hypnosis makes Sanji see Lafitte as a woman
Usopp - Van Augur teleports to close range when needed so Usopp can’t snipe him
Robin - Devon turns into Saturn which mentally wrecks her and can’t be clutched cause body’s
covered in poison
Franky - San Juan makes Frankys giant robot useless by being just way bigger
Jinbe - Vasco dehydrates him with alcohol and makes the air alcohol and alcohol fires.

 

[kekaro]

Luffy - Blackbeard erases fruit
Zoro - Shiryu disarms Zoro and makes his swords invisible so Zoro can’t pick them back up
Sanji - Lafitte hypnosis makes Sanji see Lafitte as a woman
Usopp - Van Augur teleports to close range when needed so Usopp can’t snipe him
Robin - Devon turns into Saturn which mentally wrecks her and can’t be clutched cause body’s
covered in poison
Franky - San Juan makes Frankys giant robot useless by being just way bigger
Jinbe - Vasco dehydrates him with alcohol and makes the air alcohol and alcohol fires.

that seems too much cap imo

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Shit comparison.
OP isn't like real world. People in OP verse are superhuman, and Loki is part of one of the strongest races. Even while restrained, Loki had a absurd stats. And the fact that she could even damage him is portrayal for her.
Also Loki could easily dodge an enraged G4 attack but failed to dodge her attack

Gunko is bare minimum above AdCoA G4, which puts her at Low Top Tier

Anyone can damage significantly stronger characters in compromised situations. Look at what Morgan did to a sleeping Garp or what Franky did to a distracted Big Mom's nose with his bike.

Im not wrong, am I?

Croc and Daz Bones going to buggy's island. Captain and 2nd in command

Kaido and King going to MF. Again Captain and 2nd in command

U won't find any other example. It's the same case with Shamrock and Gunko. Shamrock is the captain and Gunko is the 2nd command and 2nd strongest in HK

Those examples are circumstantial. Daz Bonez was the only subordinate Crocodile had at the time, and we don't even know the full story with Kaido and King.

 

[Kiri]

Blackbeard doesn't even need to be consistent or make sense for him to offscreen anyone, he could run from Akainu then turn around and mid diff Aokiji if/when Aokiji decides to backstab them, it doesn't need to make sense. He'll win where he needs to, throughout the rest of the series, then lose to luffy at the end.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Blackbeard ending up as the final villain will actually be a Kaguya-esque level of plot twist lol. Imu and the WG has more build up and makes more sense as FV.

The one thing about Teach is he is one of the more proactionary villains in the series. He's clawed his way from being a no-name Mook into a Pirate Emperor.

Imu already won 800 years ago. He's been largely content to laze around in his room while the inbred and depraved descendants of his peers ruin the world. It's only now that he's actually sending his proxies out as his formerly ironclad grip on the world is slowly weakening.

 

[L57]

It depends how he would use it. Tbh the zoan could transfoem their heads into 8 blades, making such a quality blade seem like 8 of those at the same time

Both this and Raiju as a zoan weapon match Shiryu fighting style tbh. But we will see if he gets any at all in the first place because usually you need Vegapunk for such things.

Its still kinda meh 8 more swords
The fruit is underwhelming
Prefer the beast thats also the name of whiryu s sword

 

[Just a member]

Where and when did I hear this... Oh right it was before Marineford!

 

[BlackLegFring]

It still amazes me that some people think that the World Government and Imu will be defeated before we even find out what they did from the history at Raftel.

 

[L57]

@Blackbeard the rain god
In skypiea kalgara mentioned him

 

[Konstantis]

@Konstantis I could write a long response to you about how them killing the Red Hair Pirates will show their true strength, and I could say doing that and acquiring Pluton will cause many pirates to flock to him.

But even those things don't matter, because the reason that Teach is indeed going to be the final villain is because he's a scheming opportunist who will let the two sides fight, and then finish the weakened one off.

If the WG agrees to make Teach King of Fullalead and a tentative ally, he will 100% stab Imu in the back when he finally is weakened.

Again you don't need to downplay final villain team to make them later look a bit stronger. Berges was One Shotted and in DR it was obsious that BB is not FV. You can't one shot any admiral or Gorosei. It is what it is. Also this small dialogue with Van Oger is nothing else then just gaslight of villain that will fail and will be Luffy's rival at Lauthtale. True final villain is Imu, after the last chapter this is beyond obvious.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Again you don't need to downplay final villain team to make them later look a bit stronger. Berges was One Shotted and in DR it was obsious that BB is not FV. You can't one shot any admiral or Gorosei. It is what it is. Also this small dialogue with Van Oger is nothing else then just gaslight of villain that will fail and will be Luffy's rival at Lauthtale. True final villain is Imu, after the last chapter this is beyond obvious.

Interesting how you didn't address anything about how Teach will likely just let Luffy and Imu weaken each other and then make his own move and just kept up your inane focus on feats like that actually means anything

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

I think Imu will either be Blackbeard's hype tool, the final war's equivalent to an Orochi but with a bigger role, or Luffy's very final obstacle at Laugh Tale right after beating Blackbeard.

 

[Konstantis]

Interesting how you didn't address anything about how Teach will likely just let Luffy and Imu weaken each other and then make his own move and just kept up your inane focus on feats like that actually means anything

I can believe that Luffy and Teach together can defeat Imu, but I really doubt in this road of scenario, because Teach and all his crew was build as rivals for Luffy. Imu is not Luffy's rival, and battle against Imu will be raid battle not battle 1x1. The last chapter basically show this: everyone vs Imu.
SO shonen fight will be against BB Luffy alone vs Teach.
But Raid Battle - this is Imu.
In the battle for Raftel you don't need allies, you don't all your friend to stand together.

But Final War will be something like this:
1. Skypia army;
2. Arabasta army;
3. W7 army;
4. DressRosa and Elizabelo army;
5. Drum Kingdom army;
6. Wano country army;
7. WCI army leaded by Katakuri;
8. Elbaf army;
9. WB pirates remnants;
10. Dragon army leaded by new commander Sabo;
11. Sword Marrines;
12. Luffy's Fleet
13. Cross Guild leaded by Buggy D. Clown;
14. Minks
15. Remnants of Worst Generation crew;
16. Maybe all other pirates who call luffy as the Pirate King: Kuro pirates, Foxy, Krigg and so much more;

VS

Holy knights, Marrines, Gorosei and IMU

And that would make perfect sence, Oda will gather everyone in one place.