Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1139 Spoilers Discussion

[Light D Fist.]

Poor argument … knocking Kaido down was done by the scabbards, WCI Luffy, and post training Luffy on Wano it isn’t much of a feat, however scarring Kaido is.. only done by 1 person Oden.

Zoro’s output craps on Luffy’s it’s always been this way what Luffy needs multiple punches for Zoro can do it in 1 cut or 2.

Are you arguing if Zoro has CoC?

Absolute rubbish?
Zoro did fuck all to Kaido using his ACoC and his strongest form. Luffy was able to over power and fight Kaido for a prolonged time until the fight was interrupted by CP-0. Also when Luffy unlocked G5 on top of that he shot way into the stratosphere from Zoro dawdling on the ground.
So Zoro being comparable to Luffy is delusional!

 

[Reborn]

Imagine thinking a man with a name equal to Rayleigh and Roger can't go toe to toe with Kaido, but Yamato can 😂

Prime Sanji doesn't only go toe to toe with Kaido, he beats him.

Imagine thinking we are talking about EoS sanji but not current sanji lol

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You simply can't toy with two top tiers (kiz and saturn) at the same time unless you are one yourself.


Rather than arguing kaido was weakened means mute became so was luffy.

As I said, come argue gap is small when sanji shows something on such scale EVEN FOR A MINUTE.

And, as of now there is literally nothing that you can put as a case for sanji.

Kizaru literally had a 1v1 with luffy while Kizaru was nerfed. and Kizaru ended up sparing and feeding him…

That was Oda showing Luffys current level.

 

[Hunter]

I disagree, and think there will be a gap between Luffy/Zoro as well, not matter how low.

But anyway, as long as you think the gap between Zoro/Sanji at EoS won't be high enough to the point Sanji gets low or mid diff'd, that's respectable.
They will be close in power, the big gap that exists now will become narrower



So much out of context here.

- Doriki measures physical power. When Lucci/Jabra were physical combatants, while Kaku was a swordsman. Plus, Kaku didn't have his DF back then (we know zoan DFs have an impact on base as well). Lucci/Kaku dynamics was established back then (which is still active!) for a reason
- Lucci was actually a bit stronger than Luffy, and Luffy needed extreme diff + PoF to beat him, was KO for days afterwards. Zoro and Sanji high diff'd their opponents, had more energy to spare.

Same manga had Luffy/Zoro fight in wiskey peak and fight to an even. I can pull up more Luffy/Zoro portrayals than you can pull up Zoro/Sanji portrayals.
We can all cherry pick what we want to push agendas, but when overall picture is looked at unbiased, it establishes portrayal/dynamics between Luffy/Zoro (captain/partner), Zoro/Sanji (two strongest underlings), Luffy/Zoro/Sanji (monster trio)

Something changed especially on egghead tho
Oda started to put Sanji with luffy as well
And now on elbaf indirectly foreshadowing his position as an equal too

 

[Rukusho]

It separated Luffy from the rest as he didn’t merely get ACoC

He became a sky splitter and fought on par with Kaido

Nothing suggests the boost Zoro got from CoC is any different from the boost Sanji got from genes+IJ , or Kid/Law got from their DF boosts.

you can’t just put Zoro on a pedestal merely for having a power. If you look at what he actually did with it, simply beat a YC1, it isn’t that special.

This is disingenuous.
Kaido statement - only handful of the strongest
Luffy statement - my attacks were to shallow
Zoro statement - it makes sense for me to have this if I want to be the strongest.

You do realize the moment Zoro got advCoC he pretty much mid-diff a YC1 right?

Kidd has CoC and couldn’t unlock advCoC but he awakened his DF that should tell you which is the bigger boost in power and which is harder to achieve.

 

[Albino 👑]

While Sanji = Luffy is definitely a stupid take Sanji is still going to end the series as a top tier. Something that’s been obvious for a while

 

[Etzel Andergast]

?

Never claimed otherwise. He did get fights pre-TS when he was weak trio.

Right now he gets none and is starting to look below weak trio.

But he was always below Nami and Chopper. "The weak trio" is just a fan thing

But I agree that is bad he didn't any 1v1 fight in post time skip

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Imagine thinking a man with a name equal to Rayleigh and Roger can't go toe to toe with Kaido, but Yamato can 😂

Prime Sanji doesn't only go toe to toe with Kaido, he beats him.

Apparently current Sanji is a fodder but will magically turn into this level by EOS.

 

[MarineHQ]

Imagine thinking we are talking about EoS sanji but not current sanji lol

It's not only you, it's Sanji takes in general.

 

[zzShinichi]

Fuck the powerscaling, if Oda ever drew Luffy vs Zoro or Zoro vs Sanji, the fights would never end in a low-mid diff, especially their EOS version
EOS Luffy needs at least high diff to beat EOS Zoro
EOS Zoro needs at tleast high diff tto beat EOS Sanji

 

[Reborn]

Kizaru literally had a 1v1 with luffy while Kizaru was nerfed. and Kizaru ended up sparing and feeding him…

That was Oda showing Luffys current level.

Again you are making no sense.

That fight ended in a stalemate.

Yes kiz fed him but it shows more about kiz than luffy.

But you putting sanji close to those levels for no absolute reason is what baffles me. He did nothing as of now to be placed in top tier.

It's just like you putting Buggy as FV without anything but your wishful thinking

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Fuck the powerscaling, if Oda ever drew Luffy vs Zoro or Zoro vs Sanji, the fights would never end in a low-mid diff, especially their EOS version
EOS Luffy needs at least high diff to beat EOS Zoro
EOS Zoro needs at tleast high diff tto beat EOS Sanji

Let’s be honest Oda would never draw Luffy beating any of the monster trio less than extreme diff.

Oda couldn’t even show Luffy low diffing Usopp.

 

[Light D Fist.]

This is disingenuous.
Kaido statement - only handful of the strongest
Luffy statement - my attacks were to shallow
Zoro statement - it makes sense for me to have this if I want to be the strongest.

You do realize the moment Zoro got advCoC he pretty much mid-diff a YC1 right?

Kidd has CoC and couldn’t unlock advCoC but he awakened his DF that should tell you which is the bigger boost in power and which is harder to achieve.

Yeah Kaido also said only haki alone transcends and then lost to Luffy because of his awakening.

 

[Rukusho]

Absolute rubbish?
Zoro did fuck all to Kaido using his ACoC and his strongest form. Luffy was able to over power and fight Kaido for a prolonged time until the fight was interrupted by CP-0. Also when Luffy unlocked G5 on top of that he shot way into the stratosphere from Zoro dawdling on the ground.
So Zoro being comparable to Luffy is delusional!

If it’s rubbish why would Kaido compliment Zoro?

If it’s rubbish why would the same Kaido who fought Luffy afterwards call him clumsy, and not worthy and kick Luffy into the sea??

If it’s rubbish why would Kaido ask for Zoro to come with him to rule to world?

 

[Reborn]

It's not only you, it's Sanji takes in general.

EoS sanji is easily a top tier.

It's always about at what degree he will finish.

 

[Rukusho]

Yeah Kaido also said only haki alone transcends and then lost to Luffy because of his awakening.

His awakening and what??

 

[Light D Fist.]

If it’s rubbish why would Kaido compliment Zoro?

If it’s rubbish why would the same Kaido who fought Luffy afterwards call him clumsy, and not worthy and kick Luffy into the sea??

If it’s rubbish why would Kaido ask for Zoro to come with him to rule to world?

Kaido asked Queen to join him too, I guess Queen is a top tier as well.

he complimented Jack I guess he’s as strong as Luffy.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Again you are making no sense.

That fight ended in a stalemate.

Yes kiz fed him but it shows more about kiz than luffy.

But you putting sanji close to those levels for no absolute reason is what baffles me. He did nothing as of now to be placed in top tier.

It's just like you putting Buggy as FV without anything but your wishful thinking

How is a fight a stalemate if someone literally revives their opponent after knocking them out?

 

[Etzel Andergast]

EoS sanji is easily a top tier.

It's always about at what degree he will finish.

EOS Sanji is easily above Prime Shiki

 

[Light D Fist.]

His awakening and what??

The point was that haki transcends all, not haki in top of powers. He made that clear with Roger who had no devil fruit. But then proceeds to lose to Luffy after his devil fruit awakens