Luffy didn't really defeat Kaido 1v1 either, he was weaker and Kaido got gassed out in the end. They just heard "Joyboy" defeated Kaido without context, and immediately though about Ryuma.
There is meaning to this narrative than the just straightforward implication that both Joyboy and Ryuma can defeat Kaido. It's classic tool for building narratives of comparison of their legends and powers as well, especially when looked in context of following supplemental portrayals as well:
What is to say that Ryuma or EoS Zoro won't have similar equalizers?
Any reason Roger and Shanks should have conqueror's haki superior to them?
Ok, let's ignore Roger and Whitebeard even for a moment.
Oden had no such special abilities aside from raw swordsmanship and offensive haki. Dude was very close to Kaido in power level, who had comparable haki on top of a top tier DF.
Why was this the case?
It just reiterates my point that overall combat stats matter.
Let's even look at current Luffy vs Zoro.
Let me know if you disagree, but haki vice: armament Zoro, conqeuror's and observation Luffy.
Starting with the question - which is the minimum gear Luffy needs to defeat Zoro? If it isn't base, doesn't that just prove my point that overall combat stats is the key, rather than just check list scaling of haki, DF etc?
100% disagree.
Asura is by far the biggest powerup/multiplier we've seen in the series so far.
There is a reason Zoro is not allowed to use it for more than a minute yet in the series. There is a reason Oda heavily gatekeeps this powerup, while everything else gets spammed into oblivion.
There is a difference between being an active deterrent, versus having PTSD lasting centuries which acts as a deterrent.
Argument was simply that Sanji will end up roughly comparable to Zoro.
Even if the gap appears high at the moment, it's a matter of time before it becomes narrower.
Denying Zoro/Sanji dynamics is the mirror of "Zoro cannot catch up anymore" that happened after Lucci and Katakuri. Oda is a fan of these duos and monster trio, it will stay
With Jinbe, IDK to be honest. There is a duo with Sanji/Jinbe now, but Jinbe is in his peak, Sanji will soon outscale Jinbe. I doubt it will be relevant in the future
By the way @Blazing Lion
It's time to necro this thread again:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/be-honest…if-luffy-is-a-10-what-is-zoro-currently.54255/page-18#post-5444405
Let's laugh at the dudes who voted at/below 5.
Lots of Sanji fans there as well, lets see them packpeddle now that they have material to push Sanji also to that level lmao
There is meaning to this narrative than the just straightforward implication that both Joyboy and Ryuma can defeat Kaido. It's classic tool for building narratives of comparison of their legends and powers as well, especially when looked in context of following supplemental portrayals as well:
What is to say that Ryuma or EoS Zoro won't have similar equalizers?
Any reason Roger and Shanks should have conqueror's haki superior to them?
Ok, let's ignore Roger and Whitebeard even for a moment.
Oden had no such special abilities aside from raw swordsmanship and offensive haki. Dude was very close to Kaido in power level, who had comparable haki on top of a top tier DF.
Why was this the case?
It just reiterates my point that overall combat stats matter.
Let's even look at current Luffy vs Zoro.
Let me know if you disagree, but haki vice: armament Zoro, conqeuror's and observation Luffy.
Starting with the question - which is the minimum gear Luffy needs to defeat Zoro? If it isn't base, doesn't that just prove my point that overall combat stats is the key, rather than just check list scaling of haki, DF etc?
100% disagree.
Asura is by far the biggest powerup/multiplier we've seen in the series so far.
There is a reason Zoro is not allowed to use it for more than a minute yet in the series. There is a reason Oda heavily gatekeeps this powerup, while everything else gets spammed into oblivion.
There is a difference between being an active deterrent, versus having PTSD lasting centuries which acts as a deterrent.
Argument was simply that Sanji will end up roughly comparable to Zoro.
Even if the gap appears high at the moment, it's a matter of time before it becomes narrower.
Denying Zoro/Sanji dynamics is the mirror of "Zoro cannot catch up anymore" that happened after Lucci and Katakuri. Oda is a fan of these duos and monster trio, it will stay
With Jinbe, IDK to be honest. There is a duo with Sanji/Jinbe now, but Jinbe is in his peak, Sanji will soon outscale Jinbe. I doubt it will be relevant in the future
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By the way @Blazing Lion
It's time to necro this thread again:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/be-honest…if-luffy-is-a-10-what-is-zoro-currently.54255/page-18#post-5444405
Let's laugh at the dudes who voted at/below 5.
Lots of Sanji fans there as well, lets see them packpeddle now that they have material to push Sanji also to that level lmao
