General & Others “Right behind Rayleigh” Behind, BEHIND. The Okama fandom takes another L for premature glaze over meaningless words.

[Monkey D. Luffy]

The cherry-picking is getting sad.

This is sandman's translation and interpretation

Ignoring "it is difficult to decide which one is superior in terms of strength."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1888606636954276062

Ignoring "the phrase 'fighting side by side as comrades' and 'he fought alongside Roger and Rayleigh as a key member of the Roger Pirates'.”

Post automatically merged: Monday at 7:23 PM

As for the opinions of Japanese readers, I don't give a shit when Japanese speakers spell out the context for you.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

The cherry-picking is getting sad.



Ignoring "it is difficult to decide which one is superior in terms of strength."



Ignoring "the phrase 'fighting side by side as comrades' and 'he fought alongside Roger and Rayleigh as a key member of the Roger Pirates'.”

Post automatically merged: Monday at 7:23 PM

As for the opinions of Japanese readers, I don't give a shit when Japanese speakers spell out the context for you.

The context is about Gabans strength. Every single translations admits it could be about strength but then go nah can't be that

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

but then go nah can't be that

Almost as if there's another context that isn't Rayleigh and Gaban were equals.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Almost as if there's another context that isn't Rayleigh and Gaban were equals.

Yeah, giants are hyping up Gaban for his fame obviously

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah, giants are hyping up Gaban for his fame obviously

Nah they’re hyping up Gaban cause he just could physically stand next to Roger. Truly no different from Crocus

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Yeah, giants are hyping up Gaban for his fame obviously

They're hyping up Gaban for being one of Roger's top two fighters. Not his equal. Not Rayleigh's equal. You'd think Gold > Silver > Copper and Sanji being behind Zoro in portrayal would give that away.

 

[Owl Ki]

Yeah, giants are hyping up Gaban for his fame obviously

Nah they’re hyping up Gaban cause he just could physically stand next to Roger. Truly no different from Crocus

Gaban was truly the third best standing man that ever stood. 🫡

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Almost as if there's another context that isn't Rayleigh and Gaban were equals.

The context of the scence is strength why would it suddenly change to something else

 

[Sir Yasheen]

They're hyping up Gaban for being one of Roger's top two fighters. Not his equal. Not Rayleigh's equal. You'd think Gold > Silver > Copper and Sanji being behind Zoro in portrayal would give that away.

So you think they said the same exact thing twice in one monologue?

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

They're hyping up Gaban for being one of Roger's top two fighters. Not his equal. Not Rayleigh's equal. You'd think Gold > Silver > Copper and Sanji being behind Zoro in portrayal would give that away.

They're hyping up Gaban for being a figure on par with Roger and Rayleigh. Nobody is talking about dead equals

 

[soheilhazrat]

On par also doesn’t mean equal. Also I only read English so that’s the translation I’m trusting

"Im only trusting one translator that makes sense to my agenda every other translator even the japanese raws are wrong"

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

They're hyping up Gaban for being a figure on par with Roger and Rayleigh. Nobody is talking about dead equals

Zoro boys have to create contrivances and twist simple concept to make their point.
What a shock!

 

[DonWick]

1.) He's shoulder to shoulder to Rayleigh

2.) He's behind Rayleigh

Therefore, he is <= Rayleigh

If he was < Rayleigh, how could he stand shoulder-to-shoulder below him?

Either way he’s less than. The gap could just be relatively s

"Im only trusting one translator that makes sense to my agenda every other translator even the japanese raws are wrong"

Make sure to add the part where the translator that I’m trusting is the only official translator.

 

[Julius]

The cherry-picking is getting sad.



Ignoring "it is difficult to decide which one is superior in terms of strength."



Ignoring "the phrase 'fighting side by side as comrades' and 'he fought alongside Roger and Rayleigh as a key member of the Roger Pirates'.”

Post automatically merged: Monday at 7:23 PM

As for the opinions of Japanese readers, I don't give a shit when Japanese speakers spell out the context for you.

I don't see how that contradicts the main point, it actually complements the understanding

 

[Vergil]

the cope and salt from the zoro fans is wonderful and sustains during this break week

 

[Germinator]

Either way he’s less than. The gap could just be relatively s

That gap is small enough to be called ~, or relatively equal, rather than an entire tier as > would denote.

 

[soheilhazrat]

You can be relatively equal to someone, even if not exactly

Therefore Sanji can be ~ or <= Zoro

Dont expect a Agenda piece reader to be able to comprehend

 

[soupongo]

Zoro boys have to create contrivances and twist simple concept to make their point.
What a shock!

You mean Zolo?

 

[Hamlette]

The deafness in not realizing that going from "This dude is irrelevant and way below Ray/Roger" to arguing whether or not he's "exactly on the dot dead equal to Ray or Roger" is evidence in and of itself as to how far off they were in their estimation of this character and his obvious parallel is astounding. In what world would Oda write an introduction for a legendary character drawing closeness in power/rank/status whatever the hell else you want to tag on there between them and Roger/Ray, then think that the intended purpose is to paint an image of a faaaaaar inferior figure, who is actually like a Buggy. To ignore context and metaphors and how they connect to the overall story for the sake of agenda is not the action of someone with a winning argument.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

What are your main points? That Gaban is equal to Rayleigh and Roger? That he's a near equal? All I took away from it was Gaban was one of Roger's top two men alongside Rayleigh. I am not saying it's like Jimbei and Arlong or Shanks and Buggy. Yes, it's strength related because Roger, Rayleigh, and Gaban were the strongest of the Roger Pirates, but there's nothing in there about them being equals.