When will Sanji unlock his COC ?

  • When he will discover All Blue

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So you want 3 different Power Ups that just look the exact same and basically do the same thing just stronger? That’s boring af.
That would be the natural progession of his fighting style. His ability to manipulate fire ends at body augmentation. DJ and IJ basically functions as ACoA for Sanji except you get burned.

It should be obvious in the black and white manga that it’s different and with Ifrit for example Oda did a terrible job when he introduced it - beside some little lighting effects that are not even consistent the fire looks the same.
This sounds like a personal taste thing then. You said it should be obvious that it's different, then went on to describe how it was different from regular DJ. Even in Black and White we obviously know when IJ is being used.

The execution of the PU in Ifrit was also terrible, it’s supposed to be extremely hot flames, but Oda made zero effort to show it, it just simply feels like his kicks got stronger and that’s it.
Thats been DJ as whole Post Timeskip. Aside from a few instances (Hells memories, Grill Shot), I dont recall the heat showing visual effects
 
That would be the natural progession of his fighting style. His ability to manipulate fire ends at body augmentation. DJ and IJ basically functions as ACoA for Sanji except you get burned.



This sounds like a personal taste thing then. You said it should be obvious that it's different, then went on to describe how it was different from regular DJ. Even in Black and White we obviously know when IJ is being used.



Thats been DJ as whole Post Timeskip. Aside from a few instances (Hells memories, Grill Shot), I dont recall the heat showing visual effects
I understand his point tho
Like one piece is a visual manga and the visual enjoyment is a big part of it (people that only read chapters from tiktok or speedread spoilers/chapter to shitpost are :josad:). Thats why i dont like AcoC for example because that not touching shit look ass for combo fighters the hits not connecting.
So while i disagree on it Ifrit looking unclear (its even made more clear in elbaf, he generates insane amount of lightning almost like enel now) its understanble critism you want PUs that are visually appealing, regardless if its logical or not that something is naturally progressing
 
I understand his point tho
Like one piece is a visual manga and the visual enjoyment is a big part of it (people that only read chapters from tiktok or speedread spoilers/chapter to shitpost are :josad:). Thats why i dont like AcoC for example because that not touching shit look ass for combo fighters the hits not connecting.
So i disagree on it Ifrit looking unclear (its even made more clear in elbaf, he generates insane amount of lightning almost like enel now) its understanble critism you want PUs that are visually appealing, regardless if its logical or not that somethig is naturally progressing
I understand his point as well, however im not sure what exactly a visual difference in the PU would look like. It isnt like Sanji is actually a demon.


The only thing that would look cooler atp would be black flames.
 
I understand his point as well, however im not sure what exactly a visual difference in the PU would look like. It isnt like Sanji is actually a demon.


The only thing that would look cooler atp would be black flames.
I'd take Black Flames (meaning they're the peak of hottness, in manga logic) over CoC for Sanji

But flames of that level should be above even Akainu's lethality. Meaning Sanji should finish fights with one kick (when in Black Flame mode), which is why I think it either won't happen or Oda will tone down the lethality of them and just write the usual Sanji combo attack but with black flames
 
I understand his point as well, however im not sure what exactly a visual difference in the PU would look like. It isnt like Sanji is actually a demon.


The only thing that would look cooler atp would be black flames.
I mean he posted something:

Something like this would be fucking sick, but with black flames and lightning :steef:
And its not like those type of design in manga uncommon

They are many direction he could go to create something visually appealing with his flame powers
Oda clearly doesnt work of physical rules or something, so "it doesnt make sense" is clearly not something stopping oda (especially when it comes to sanji) otherwise IJ would not generate this much amount of lightning:

As it would be insanely hot, like plasma level. Which is clearly not the case
 
I'd take Black Flames (meaning they're the peak of hottness, in manga logic) over CoC for Sanji

But flames of that level should be above even Akainu's lethality. Meaning Sanji should finish fights with one kick (when in Black Flame mode), which is why I think it either won't happen or Oda will tone down the lethality of them and just write the usual Sanji combo attack but with black flames
Or have him struggle to withstand his own heat for a bit of a nerf
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I mean he posted something:


And its not like those type of design in manga uncommon

They are many direction he could go to create something visually appealing with his flame powers
Oda clearly doesnt work of physical rules or something, so "it doesnt make sense" is clearly not something stopping oda (especially when it comes to sanji) otherwise IJ would not generate this much amount of lightning:

As it would be insanely hot, like plasma level. Which is clearly not the case
I will just let Oda cook and see how he develops sanji's power of love
 
Zoro vs Sanji aint gonna happen bro
Oda doesnt want to keep this more ambigous than Mihawk vs Shanks even
My idea is that Evil Sanji goes all out against a non-serious Zoro. Sanji is his friend, no matter what he says he would never go for the kill. Then Sanji unlocks CoC to stop himself from finishing Zoro, making the power dynamic even more ambiguous :goyea:
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Raid suit was a mistake
Destroying the RS canister was a mistake. Thank goodness Franky recovered it. RS >> IJ :pagemoji:
 
This sounds like a personal taste thing then. You said it should be obvious that it's different, then went on to describe how it was different from regular DJ. Even in Black and White we obviously know when IJ is being used.
It had only minor differences from a normal DJ, which isn't that exciting lol
If there is a PU i want it to be clear and ''flashy'' and not me having to zoom in to see 3 pixles looking a little different than normal...
This is Ifrit Jambe by the way and there were even more panels like that....sorry, but there is zero difference from a normal DJ here.


Or here, this was in Egghead, if Sanji didn't say it was Ifrit we wouldn't have know it...which again, is a terrible job by Oda...
Even the end result of his Hell Memories had no signs of Lightning.


Atleast in Elbaf he ''fixed'' this mistake and made it more obvious, this is how it should have been from the beginning...here you can instantly see that it's not a normal DJ, because of the strong visualisation of the lightning and it does instantly look more interesting.

Btw i found this picture and this is from DR, here Sanji's DJ is creating smoke, which actualy looks pretty cool and looks a little bit more threatening, not sure why Oda dropped this visual.

Thats been DJ as whole Post Timeskip. Aside from a few instances (Hells memories, Grill Shot), I dont recall the heat showing visual effects
Which doesn't make it any better...
Sanji always talks about the heat and with Ifrit he said the flames would be much hotter, but there was literaly no visual effect on it - it just felt like a simply harder kick. Which is dumb, if you use flames, the heat and burning factor should always play a factor.
The best example of it was the first time he used it against Jyabura and completely wrecked him with it, but as time passed that heat and burn factor seemed to be pushed further back to the point where it seems it doesn't even matter anymore that his leg is on fire.

 
Huh when did franky did do that did i miss it? :shocked:
Well, it would've happened off-panel and nobody even implied it actually happened but there is some evidence for it if you still trust CL²³oda foreshadowing ability
Quoting myself from that thread ::jordanmf:

This deserves its own thread. I'll keep it brief :brootea::perocry:

Sanji noticed Queen's technology and wanted to gift it to Franky. He then severed Queen's robotic arm. The severed arm should be quite close to the shattered RS canister. If Sanji told Franky how to reach that arm, he might have also found what was left of the RS. To redesign it, just like Sanji wanted :lawbepo:





 
Well, it would've happened off-panel and nobody even implied it actually happened but there is some evidence for it if you still trust CL²³oda foreshadowing ability
Quoting myself from that thread ::jordanmf:

This deserves its own thread. I'll keep it brief :brootea::perocry:

Sanji noticed Queen's technology and wanted to gift it to Franky. He then severed Queen's robotic arm. The severed arm should be quite close to the shattered RS canister. If Sanji told Franky how to reach that arm, he might have also found what was left of the RS. To redesign it, just like Sanji wanted :lawbepo:





Nah thats insane copium that oda remembers franky usopp, still thanks tho :endthis:
 
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