Spoiler Rate the Han battle

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  • S

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • A

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • B

    Votes: 6 42.9%

  • C

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • D

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • Total voters
    14
Bepo

Bepo

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#1
#1
Excluding the set-up and the following siege chapters, the Han battle lasted 14 chapters (815-829).

Personally, I feel pretty conflicted about this battle.

On one hand, Shin vs HKK was a great fight, arguably Shin’s best post-Gyou fight. I like how Shin’s performance greatly influenced the battle in Qin’s favor.

On the other hand, I feel like the RKK/Tou confrontation was rushed.

When Yoko Yoko appeared to block Rokuomi’s attack, I expected there to be full on 1v1 duels, providing a more natural finale. Think of a Tou vs Rinbukun-type of fight that lasts a good while with RKK or Yoko Yoko instead of just a few panels. Especially when you consider that this is (likely) going to be Tou’s final opportunity to have a decent fight.

I don’t have a problem with RKK retreating, it’s just that his retreat ends up feeling a bit rushed and anti-climactic.

All things considered, probably a C, maybe B-tier arc.

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RayanOO

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
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#3
#3
Yeah B or C for now

the two Han clowns being hyped like only to deliver this mid battle isn’t really worth it

Thanks YokoYoko for being here and adding some spices

the only interesting thing Rakuakan and HKK add to the table is the fact they chose to stay in their own state instead to be great heroes of the era. It’s a new interesting perspective from a general and cool.

‘But outside of that it’s mid as fuck
 
B

BanditKanki

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#4
#4
I enjoyed it. It wasn’t a classic but it was cool to read. As usual, it would have benefited from an additional 3-5 chapters, simply just to flesh out events like Tou going through Rakuakan’s tactics, Kyoukai doing her thing, maybe Hara spending a page explaining Kanou’s movements after the fact.

It would be better with the above, but it’s still been fun. The hype of Rakuakan would have felt a bit deeper if the seeds of hype were sewn back when Tou visited Shintei. That may be my biggest gripe.
 
Yo Tan Wa

Yo Tan Wa

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#5
#5
Bepo said:
expected there to be full on 1v1 duels, providing a more natural finale. Think of a Tou vs Rinbukun-type of fight that lasts a good while with RKK or Yoko Yoko instead of just a few panels. Especially when you consider that this is (likely) going to be Tou’s final opportunity to have a decent fight.
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Same, i was disappointed at first. But now i feel Yoko Yoko had realised he needed to push off Roku'omi instead of fighting/engaging in 1 on 1 and send RKK home. Hence he talks about Shin n Kyoukai coming to join the battle.

As good as that sounds, that do feels anti-climactic for the story. I also feel am not hyped about Han much anymore. I hope Hara puts more thoughts in next arcs.​
 
Bepo

Bepo

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#7
#7
Warchief Sanji D Goat said:


Not as bad as the Hango arc but pretty damn close.
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Han really is Hango 2.0, the length and choreography of these battles is very similar;

Shin is prevented from interfering with the centre battlefield while SBS/Tou launches a direct assault on the enemy.

As they gradually approach they engage the elites from the opposing army, eventually resulting in a quick finale followed by Ousen/RKK's retreat.

There’s barely any room to show things like formations, strategies, etc.

We only get a panel here and there where it’s shown that formation x or whatever is used without really going into it.

:Raku_Stare:
It’s not like the story has become bad perse, I still enjoy it.

It’s just that the level of expressiveness, detail, creativity, etc. that was present in earlier battles isn’t as strong anymore.
 
Elder Lee Hung

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
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#8
#8
I don’t think the actual battle is over yet? Eitei Plains is done but the battle seems to be still going.

Anyway I give Eitei Plains a B or a C. One of the weaker Kingdom battles if viewed as a standalone battle, which I don’t think the battle is done yet.
 
Rumble

Rumble

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#15
#15
MarineHQ said:
Kingdom fans are just hypocritical as fuck out of sheer butthurt that Hara doesn’t cater to their delusions lmfao
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That's always an element, but the biggest issue with Hara's battles (and campaigns) as of late is that the setups are meagre and the execution result in pretty straightforward and uninteresting battles lacking the depth and intrigue that were so prevalent for the first ~650 chapters.

Where have all the clever uses of tactics and strategy gone? The cat and mouse games? The tension and release of opposing commanders struggling to figure each other out over time? The dramatic moments that are there suffer for the absence of the rest.

I don't care who wins, I just want to find the battles interesting. I got into this shit to be entertained by well thought out and intriguing action. That hasn't been the case for a while with Kingdom.

One day battles are not inherently bad or inferior, but Hara has shit the bed with them lately.

This arc should have been more like Bayou or Sanyou. Multiple days. Multiple points of view. Action and consequence. Sequences flowing into the next. We've simply not gotten that for a long time.
 
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Bepo

Bepo

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#16
#16
Elder Lee Hung said:
I don’t think the actual battle is over yet? Eitei Plains is done but the battle seems to be still going.

Anyway I give Eitei Plains a B or a C. One of the weaker Kingdom battles if viewed as a standalone battle, which I don’t think the battle is done yet.
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Yeah, I meant Eitei plains. That’s the meat and potatoes (action-wise) of the Han conquest.

The siege will likely be similar to the whole Nanyou thing, emphasizing more on the unification thing rather than action.
RayanOO said:
Hango and SBS and his army were far better
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Meh, debatable.

Hango had much more hype surrounding it but was more of a mess.

Han, although rushed, felt better executed imo.
 
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Rumble

Rumble

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#18
#18
Hango is irredeemably bad imo.

It is the only arc in Kingdom I think is outright bad, and it's a stinker.


4/10 and I feel like that's me being objective. In my heart I rate it a 2/10. I fucking despise that arc.

I absolutely hate it when authors manufacture stupidity to advance the plot. That's what Hango is, top to bottom.
 
RayanOO

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
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#19
#19
Bepo said:
Hango had much more hype surrounding it but was more of a mess.
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Hango was much more surprising
We never saw a battle like that and never expected Ousen to lose like that
SBS and his guys also had a unique mentality and that was kinda refreshing. And I find the Seika generals badass

But yeah two kinda big problems : Akou acting like a clown and Shin acting like a clown
The reste was good

Han was a let down. No real hype, the Han generals were vanilla as fuck, HKK lost doing nothing, Tou toyed with them etc etc.
No hype, no expectations and no delivering
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I can give you some moments we will all remember from Hango is some years

Give me more than one moment we will remember from Han battle for now ?
 
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