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NAMELESS

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Zenos7 said:
No thanks. I dont see any good reason to believe in any of this
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That jesus is supposed to fulfill, not revolutionize.

Jesus also didnt do/say jack shit against slavery.

You have to do some heavy cherry picking and/or mental gymnastics to handwave these issues away.
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Slavery is a mudane problem. Jesus didn't come to bring peace, health and prosperity. He came to bring the word of god and save souls. Problem is that you guys are waiting for a superman messiah that will make life on earth paradise. Jews are still waiting for such a messiah. Life here is shit. It will always be shit.
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Blax Blah said:
Can I recommend you a video that's ariund 16 minutes long?

And Jesus fulfilled the Torah, the law, because He was the only one to keep God's commandments, and He fulfilled the prophecy in the Old Testament.

And about God's view on slavery:

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Exodus 21:16

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"16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death."


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It was a christian who is a very well known american fighter against slavery, John Brown, and he was motivated by the Bible, here is his speech in court before or when he gets condemned to death:

https://www.learningforjustice.org/.../john-browns-speech-to-the-court-at-his-trial
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"This court acknowledges, as I suppose, the validity of the law of God. I see a book kissed here which I suppose to be the Bible, or at least the New Testament. That teaches me that all things whatsoever I would that men should do to me, I should do even so to them. It teaches me, further, to "remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them." I endeavored to act up to that instruction. I say I am yet too young to understand that God is any respecter of persons. I believe that to have interfered as I have done--as I have always freely admitted I have done--in behalf of His despised poor was not wrong, but right. Now, if it is deemed necessary that I should forfeit my life for the furtherance of the ends of justice, and mingle my blood further with the blood of my children and with the blood of millions in this slave country whose rights are disregarded by wicked, cruel, and unjust enactments--I submit; so let it be done!"
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Ephesians 4:7-8

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"7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."


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Ephesians 4:7-8 says Jesus led captivty captive.
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Do not give pearls to pigs.
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Logiko said:
You are confusing gaslight with a real question based on actual facts mate



It's completely about productivity: "while doing absolutely nothing at all" >> This is your words.

I've dealt with the accusation of 'not doing anything' for over a decade, you’re not fooling me here, mate. The idea is that because you picture me as completely passive, I’m somehow not legitimate in calling you out when you do harmful things. Like I told you, this isn’t the first time I’ve faced this kind of delegitimization.

If I hadn’t shared anything about my condition or my life, you wouldn’t have had anything to say, and you would have just found another excuse to avoid listening to me. This isn’t about me, my life, or my so-called passivity...

And I won’t tell you what I actually do, because it doesn’t matter. No matter how active I am in real life, you still wouldn’t take me seriously. I could be a politician or a street activist, and it wouldn’t change a thing. So in my case, you resort to the most obvious way society enables you to attack me: ableism.

It’s about you - and others here - refusing to accept that people like me are telling you that you sometimes use problematic rhetoric.

So, just like Van, you construct a fake persona of your political enemy (me). You build a giant strawman, depicting me as someone who supposedly wants the moral high ground, and then you criticize me for it. But, as always, you are mistaken.

I don’t care about being right or wrong - I’m not perfect and never will be. I have major flaws myself. I just want to live and interact with systems that don’t harm others. That’s not a difficult concept to grasp. And I am proof that this forum can hurt people - because it has hurt me through people like you already. That’s why I want to change things.


Well… rather, I wanted to. Because I don’t think it’s possible for me to do this alone anymore..




Sadly this is the same reasonning as people under fascism.. they think that people with less priviledges will be attacked before they are and they are fine with that.

It's a component of all systems of oppressions combined.

But they will be...
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blah blah blah...I read half of that shit. If most people that come your way call you out as narcissist, there is 99.9% chance that you are being an asshole. People are fed up with your passive aggressive insults and messianic complex. TOUCH GRASS. Now back to the shadow realm with you.
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Mathias said:
I'm quoting him because I know he thinks different.

And no, I don't hold back.
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I was talking about Zenos7 there. Did i mess up the quotes?
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Zenos7 said:
That jesus is supposed to fulfill, not revolutionize.
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A literal 1 min google search:
In Christian theology, Jesus is believed to have fulfilled the law, not by abolishing it, but by embodying its spirit and paying the penalty for humanity's failures, ultimately offering a path to righteousness and reconciliation with God.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Not Abolishing, but Fulfilling:
    Jesus famously stated, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17).

  • Perfect Obedience:
    Jesus lived a perfect life, demonstrating complete obedience to God's will, thereby fulfilling the moral requirements of the law.

  • Sacrificial Death:
    Through his death on the cross, Jesus paid the penalty for humanity's sins, satisfying the demands of the law and offering a path to forgiveness and reconciliation with God.

  • New Covenant:
    Jesus's actions and teachings inaugurated a new covenant, where God's law is written on believers' hearts, rather than solely on stone tablets, as in the Old Testament.

  • Exemplifying God's Love:
    Jesus's life and teachings exemplified God's love and grace, demonstrating that true righteousness comes from a transformed heart and a relationship with God, rather than mere adherence to external rules.

  • Prophecy Fulfillment:
    Jesus's life and death fulfilled prophecies about the Messiah found in the Old Testament, further demonstrating the validity of the law and the Old Testament.

  • Culmination of the Law:
    Jesus is seen as the culmination of the law, bringing it to its ultimate purpose and providing the means for humanity to attain righteousness and eternal life.
 
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Logiko

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NAMELESS said:
blah blah blah...I read half of that shit. If most people that come your way call you out as narcissist, there is 99.9% chance that you are being an asshole. People are fed up with your passive aggressive insults and messianic complex. TOUCH GRASS. Now back to the shadow realm with you.
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Some people just won't look at themselves...


NAMELESS said:
Life here is shit. It will always be shit.
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It doesn't have to be that way forever. But it's seems like you don't care enough to try to change that.

"Life is shit, but people who want to change that just have a messianic complex" .. Is that right ?
 
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NAMELESS

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Logiko said:
Some people just won't look at themselves...



It doesn't have to be that way forever. But it's seems like you don't care enough to try to change that.

"Life is shit, but people who want to change that just have a messianic complex" .. Is that right ?
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The human brain isn't wired for happiness. No amount of material wealth will make you less miserable. We are wired to work and problem solve stuff. Billionaires work to keep themselves mentally fit. Being unproductive causes self-steem and self worth problems on people.
 
Zenos7

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NAMELESS said:
He knows that marriage is between women and men. He knows that all the unmarried are invited to live in chastity. He just wants to bait people here. He does that every time Christianity is mentioned. For some reason, he doesn't say similar things about other religions. Go figure...
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i just posted a very critical video about islam a couple of days ago where you yourself made a comment about how i didnt get banned for that?

yeah im totally the troll here. also marriage isnt an exclusive thing to christianity. welcome to the 21st century
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NAMELESS said:
Slavery is a mudane problem.
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lmao
 
Uncle Van

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NAMELESS said:
Christianity isn't anti-gay though.
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Of course. I'm not the one that preaches for abortion or euthanasia. It's the left.
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Can argue it that it definitely is, but the point is that the Bible is factually used against LGBT by Republicans and the right wing. Christian Nationalist spew about how being gay or trans is an insult to God 24/7. The irony bring called out is how so many Republicans who preach certain values end up being unfaithful, pedophiles, or gay themselves. And it's a large number.
 
NAMELESS

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HOLY SHIT! IF THIS TURNS OUT TRUE, IT'S HILARIOUS! @Mathias Thoughts?
Uncle Van said:
Can argue it that it definitely is, but the point is that the Bible is factually used against LGBT by Republicans and the right wing. Christian Nationalist spew about how being gay or trans is an insult to God 24/7. The irony bring called out is how so many Republicans who preach certain values end up being unfaithful, pedophiles, or gay themselves. And it's a large number.
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Ok, i concede that homophobic religious leaders use a twisted interpretation of the gospel for that, but that is not what is taught in the new testament. Chastity is for ALL the unmarried.
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Zenos7 said:
i just posted a very critical video about islam a couple of days ago where you yourself made a comment about how i didnt get banned for that?

yeah im totally the troll here. also marriage isnt an exclusive thing to christianity. welcome to the 21st century
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lmao
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That comment was a jab to AL. Pretty sure i was the only one that saw that video. I literally got banned cause of a joke about migrants WHILE TALKING TO A GERMAN. "Insulting Muslims" was the reason lmfao. There is a pretty evident double standard here. Some users can go hardcore on the jokes, while others can't even tease lightly some trolls.
Yes, marriage isn't exclusive to Christianity, dummies. You threw a jab at Christians and i explained the Christian view again. We already had this conversation a couple of times, i don't see the point of repeating myself to you. Especially now that you resort to childish insults against Christianity. Grow up. If you are not a believer, leave people that are alone and mind your business. Funny how people that preach for tolerance are that same spread disrespect and hate.
You didn't address any of my points about why Christ didn't say anything against slavery, but i know that you know the actual answer. You yourself said that Jesus came to fulfill the law and not be a revolutionary. You are just being an ass to vent out your anger against Christianity. I was an atheist once, but i was never an asshole. My mentality was( and still is):" To each their own". I understand the point of religion and always respected that.
"Judge not, that ye be not judged" (Matthew 7:1). Common sense stuff that some people just don't get. Now, to the shadow realm with you.
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Akai2 said:
Thank you for coming back, this thread can finally reach its final form with you active

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@Ravagerblade do you agree with the article?
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I suspect some mods are going to ruin the fun pretty soon...
 
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Mathias

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NAMELESS said:
HOLY SHIT! IF THIS TURNS OUT TRUE, IT'S HILARIOUS! @Mathias Thoughts?
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It's actually funny when you don't take them seriously and spend 10minutes during your breakfast with your darkest coffee watching this while half-sleeping :suresure:

It's like watching a film that's so bad it's good while on dope, but the healthy way :sweat:
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:milaugh::milaugh::milaugh::milaugh:

Instant meme material :pepebusi:
 
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Logiko

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NAMELESS said:
The human brain isn't wired for happiness.
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Ok.. what ?


NAMELESS said:
No amount of material wealth will make you less miserable.
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When I'm talking about materialism I'm talking about philosophical materialism. It's the opposite of the notion of accumulating material wealth. (I know it's not very logical, but that's how it is)


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Billionaires work to keep themselves mentally fit. Being unproductive causes self-steem and self worth problems on people.
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Wrong. It's not the fact of being unproductive that causes self esteem problems, but the way society values the fact that your are unproductive. In other word, it's not us, but society as a system (through institutions and people) that creates this affliction.

I don't know where you got the idea that people are not wired to be happy, but you definitely missed a class somewhere. Happiness is what drives us, it's the reason we act. So of course we are wired to be happy and we can completely be happy without doing nothing.

I don't know who taught you such a dark vision of life, but it's no wonder that you don't trust people like me or that you can't dream of a better society.

Maybe it's time to open your mind a little mate. It's ok to seek hope.
 
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Zenos7

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NAMELESS said:
That comment was a jab to AL.
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Doesnt matter. I clearly dont focus on christianity. Im anti-religion in general. So you were talking out of your ass
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NAMELESS said:
HOLY SHIT! IF THIS TURNS OUT TRUE, IT'S HILARIOUS! @Mathias Thoughts?
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Candace is a full-blown retard,thinking dinosaurs are "fake and gay" for example.
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NAMELESS said:
If you are not a believer, leave people that are alone and mind your business. Funny how people that preach for tolerance are that same spread disrespect and hate.
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Im very pro freedom of religion btw. Me ciriticizing and trashtalking religion isnt the same as insulting or hating people for their belief, which i dont.

So cry me a river snowflake
 
Blax Blah

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Brush D. Teeth said:
It is likely a mistranslation because they didn't write vowels (basically still don't).

Edit: actually I was wrong, it's that the word can also mean side.
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Personally I don't care about trying to say something should or shouldn't be there, we are warned about trying to change or take things away from the word, what is written is written and if there's something in it I don't like it's my problem, not the Bible's

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Genesis 2:20-23

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"20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

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If Eve was taken out of his rib then that's what happened, and this may also be the reason why God is a he and angels are he-s, because, man was made in God's image, and the woman was made from the man, so the image of the woman is further away from God's image than the image of the man is,


Because it would go

God's image - Man ~ Woman

Not that God is a he, but that the people who are called he are made in God's image, and those who are called she are a little bit further from that

It's not that God is masculine, it's that those who are masculine are the closest to his image
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Some passages where God asks Israel "Why will ye die?" and asks them to repent, I think he sounds like a worried father
 
Brush D. Teeth

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Blax Blah said:
Personally I don't care about trying to say something should or shouldn't be there, we are warned about trying to change or take things away from the word, what is written is written and if there's something in it I don't like it's my problem, not the Bible's

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Genesis 2:20-23

King James Version

"20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

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If Eve was taken out of his rib then that's what happened, and this may also be the reason why God is a he and angels are he-s, because, man was made in God's image, and the woman was made from the man, so the image of the woman is further away from God's image than the image of the man is,


Because it would go

God's image - Man ~ Woman

Not that God is a he, but that the people who are called he are made in God's image, and those who are called she are a little bit further from that

It's not that God is masculine, it's that those who are masculine are the closest to his image
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Some passages where God asks Israel "Why will ye die?" and asks them to repent, I think he sounds like a worried father
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Perhaps men's function is closer to what God is to humans, but outside of that I don't believe it has to be so. I think Mary is probably the closest human to God without having divine nature.
 
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