Role Madness Overlord Mafia Game Thread

[Boquise]

Are you serious?



He's claimed he'll reflexively kill someone who tries to kill him and won't die. Why would Fuji make a town role like that, what's the counterplay?

You've already been told. Bleed or lynch

 

[Ultra]

Isn’t that just a PGO variant.

PGOs don't prevent the player from dying, and they're usually active abilities with very limited usage, he seems to be claiming this as a passive

 

[Flower]

Are you serious?



He's claimed he'll reflexively kill someone who tries to kill him and won't die. Why would Fuji make a town role like that, what's the counterplay?

Bro Worst flipped with a RC.

 

[Ultra]

Bro Worst flipped with a RC.

Oh man, you actually buy this, very sad

 

[Flower]

Swallow: ​

Target a player and rolecrush them, doesnt affect HP value.​

[1-Shot]​

It doesn’t affect HP value so there have to be some roles with defenses that a RC is required.

 

[Boquise]

Swallow: ​

Target a player and rolecrush them, doesnt affect HP value.​

[1-Shot]​

It doesn’t affect HP value so there have to be some roles with defenses that a RC is required.

Oh looks like I could have died through this too

 

[Boquise]

Or is role crush that the role disappears? Either way that would work

 

[Flower]

Oh man, you actually buy this, very sad

 

[Boquise]

So with that and if the bleed role is scum, we have two roles that can kill me aside from lynch tbh

 

[Ultra]

Alright let's deconstruct why the claim is an issue.

While there might be *hypothetical* counterplay to his claimed ability, if it's known about ahead of time and specific role actions are taken against it....that's not a reasonable standard to meet for balancing. Most of the time, it means the mafia team will just get absolutely fucked for a factional kill for no good reason besides being unlucky enough to hit someone with such a role. Unless you can provide examples of Fuji implementing these roles on towns side, I'm assuming this is just made up, or is a non-town ability.

It strikes me as Boq not being too familiar with the playing field of role madness and miscalculated what would qualify as reasonable based on his understanding of the playing field that has bleeds and such.

 

[Flower]

Or is role crush that the role disappears? Either way that would work

It destroys your role, so renders you Vanilla/Goon for a specified amount of time.

 

[Boquise]

PGOs don't prevent the player from dying, and they're usually active abilities with very limited usage, he seems to be claiming this as a passive

Tbf if it has limitations that's not something I would out as public information. Feels anti town

 

[Flower]

Maybe I just want Boq to be Town cuz I used my heal on him tho.

 

[Boquise]

Alright let's deconstruct why the claim is an issue.

While there might be *hypothetical* counterplay to his claimed ability, if it's known about ahead of time and specific role actions are taken against it....that's not a reasonable standard to meet for balancing. Most of the time, it means the mafia team will just get absolutely fucked for a factional kill for no good reason besides being unlucky enough to hit someone with such a role. Unless you can provide examples of Fuji implementing these roles on towns side, I'm assuming this is just made up, or is a non-town ability.

It strikes me as Boq not being too familiar with the playing field of role madness and miscalculated what would qualify as reasonable based on his understanding of the playing field that has bleeds and such.

On the contrary, I hail from a strictly role madness site. Role madness isn't an issue for me tbh. I have what I have

 

[Ultra]

So with that and if the bleed role is scum, we have two roles that can kill me aside from lynch tbh

Right, but my point is that doesn't actually constitute "counterplay" for what you've claimed, specifically.

Let's say hypothetically you claimed you had a bulletproof vest. These are uncommon among town, nominally, but I think you'd have a much better case here with this argument.

Mafia being killed reflexively is just far too punishing, and the methods you're suggesting as workarounds to your role really only work if they happen to rolecop and rolecrush you before hand, totally unreasonable.

 

[Ultra]

On the contrary, I hail from a strictly role madness site. Role madness isn't an issue for me tbh. I have what I have

More specifically familiar with the playing field here, how role madness works on other sites I wouldn't really bat an eye at that. And to be fair I've seen some stupid shit here, but your claim here reminds me of when you were Survivor on the OLF game

tbh

 

[Boquise]

Right, but my point is that doesn't actually constitute "counterplay" for what you've claimed, specifically.

Let's say hypothetically you claimed you had a bulletproof vest. These are uncommon among town, nominally, but I think you'd have a much better case here with this argument.

Mafia being killed reflexively is just far too punishing, and the methods you're suggesting as workarounds to your role really only work if they happen to rolecop and rolecrush you before hand, totally unreasonable.

It would however also kill town who tries to kill me

I don't really care about what argument gives me a better case. This is the role I have. Anyway. How many starting town were we and how many are left?

 

[Ultra]

The problem with town bombs (and what Boq has claimed is even stronger) is that there's no incentive for the bomb to proactively claim, so most of the time you're just punishing mafia for not being lucky enough to rolecop or rolecrush them or whatever, total crapshoot

 

[Boquise]

More specifically familiar with the playing field here, how role madness works on other sites I wouldn't really bat an eye at that. And to be fair I've seen some stupid shit here, but your claim here reminds me of when you were Survivor on the OLF game

tbh

Aight. Well, I think I am handling this claim to the best for town wincon. As noticed I am not invested in the game so you can lynch me and remove that obstacle for wolves tbh

 

[Flower]

It would however also kill town who tries to kill me

I don't really care about what argument gives me a better case. This is the role I have. Anyway. How many starting town were we and how many are left?

We don’t know the ratio.
5-6 Mafia and 1-2 Indies/3ps is usually a good estimate.