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Who would win this year (2024/25) ?

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Why not when Lebum is top 5 with 3.5 rings
Because

1. Bubble rings count like it or not.
2. LeBron has more accumulative stats
3. Lebron has more all nba selections, all star selections etc
4. LeBron has like 2x the MVP, and arguably should’ve had more
5. Lebron has more finals mvps

there’s a reason why every sane NBA analyst has Lebron as a top 2 MINIMUM. I have never seen anybody with an ounce of credibility put curry in the top 10 alone
 
there’s a reason why every sane NBA analyst has Lebron as a top 2 MINIMUM
Which NBA analyst? Klutch agents like Kendrik Dumbass Perkins, or Lebron dickrider Nick Wright? There opinion means shit

2. LeBron has more accumulative stats
3. Lebron has more all nba selections, all star selections etc
4. LeBron has like 2x the MVP, and arguably should’ve had more
5. Lebron has more finals mvps
Everyone knows Lebum statpads. If stats meant anything, Westbrick is better than Curry.

LeMedia had the best help in the history of this sports, played 22 seasons and won only 3.5 rings.
 
Take away the lebron stans and still the majority of ‘NBA analyst think he’s a top 2 player :gokulaugh::kobeha:

I can’t think of a single credible one who thinks Curry is top 10. If you could find one I’d appreciate it

And LMAO So now stats nor accolades mean anything

Literally making an argument based of emotions alone. Idk how ya can live with yourselves being this emotional invested in another man. Literally the other side of the Bronsexuals coin
 
I can think of a single credible one who thinks Curry is top 10. If you could find one I’d appreciate it
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

And LMAO So now stats nor accolades mean anything
Lebum has longevity stats - there is a reason bro owns the highest turnover stat too

I didn't say accolades mean nothing but we have to put things into perspective when Lebum wins Olympic MVP or Iguodala wins NBA Finals MVP over Steph.

Literally making an argument based of emotions alone. Idk how ya can live with yourselves being this emotional invested in another man. Literally the other side of the Bronsexuals coin
Did you just call yourself a Bronsexual now?
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Bill Russel>>Michael Jordan.
:shocked:
Mr Russell do have an argument unlike Lebum lmao
 
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
Ive been watching basketball since the early 2000s. I am not a player stan, so yes I know more than you. Now find me that analyst.

Lebum has longevity stats - there is a reason bro owns the highest turnover stat too

I didn't say accolades don't mean anything but we have to put things into perspective when Lebum wins Olympic MVP or Iguodala wins NBA Finals MVP over Steph.
Even if we want to be generous and give curry that FMVP, lebron still has way more accolades. That’s not even taking into account the years Lebron should’ve won MVP either.

like at some point the gap between the two is too huge. Funny how you mention that FMVP thy Iggy got off holding a lebron with 0 stars to 30 PPG. That’s how insane LeBron is.

Did you just call yourself a Bronsexual now?
Brother I am a Celtics fan. How the fuck do you think I feel about lebron? The difference between me and you is that I don’t let my emotions cloud my judgement. That’s why you’re just on the other side of the Bronsexuals coin. You like them are blindly following another man.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Exactly

Curry owes 2 rings to KD, LeBron was always undoubtedly the best player in his team.
it’s always difficult to know which one is better than the other one especially when different styles or era

But it doesn’t make any doubt in my mind that even outside of individual level or anything : Lebron history and narrative is greater than Curry one. Lebron from day 1 is THE face of the NBA and carried the biggest impact (even cultural) compared to any other player in his gen. Ask people who don’t give two shits about NBA even in Europe and most knows Lebron James. I think a lot more know Lebron than Curry.

Day 1 : sports illustrated at 17. It was HUGE ! The Chosen one ! Everyone talked about it. Whole stadium were filled to see him play in high school etc. Unprecedented

Cleveland days first period : greatness and failure. Insane pressure, proved to be a monster player but not enough.

The decision ! It was insane lol. The man went on TV to announce live that he would join Miami form the 3 Amigos. Everyone talked about that. One of the biggest NBA moment of the last 20 last year. Fans were burning their jerseys.

The Miami titles and the big 3. Talk of the town everywhere. Great rivality with the Spurs. Insane finals etc

Then the prodigal son came back home and won an insane title in a cursed city that hadn’t won in 60 years.

Now in the Lakers, winning in the weird Covid context etc. And playing his career end. Managing to take down almost every record and stats

Lebron career is legandary
 
Steph is a winner, and has a better record or a cleaner resume. He has the intangibles as well, his gravity alone has boosted the team’s offense like it was an anime skill lmfao. Changed the way the NBA is played, pure skill, and all at 6’3. Pound-for-pound the greatest player ever that stepped on the court in terms of skill, and building a team around. Imagine if the dude was 6’6 and more athletic instead with that offensive skill set and game sense. No question, he would have dominated the league more.

He could have broken all of the records too but folks forget that Kerr always sidelined him when he‘s hot for the majority of their prime stint. If somebody could have broken the scoring records, Curry is one of those candidates. The Warriors never had to do that, they were destroying teams within the 3rd quarter alone. That prime Warriors’ beautiful level of basketball was all built around Steph and his offball movement, and gravity. Dude gets tackled and double, even triple teamed like nobody’s business. That kind of zone defense wasn’t allowed in the 90’s either.
 
I don’t let my emotions cloud my judgement.
Is this how an indifferent person replies? "I have been watching since this - I know more than you" - Fool, how do you know that I haven't been watching longer than you?

Now find me that analyst.
And wtf is your obsession with analysts? YouTubers are doing a better job these days than those clowns on television.

Most Klutch paid analysts, like Broussard, Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright put Steph in their top 10, but I don't want to quote those clowns.

Even if we want to be generous and give curry that FMVP, lebron still has way more accolades. That’s not even taking into account the years Lebron should’ve won MVP either.

like at some point the gap between the two is too huge. Funny how you mention that FMVP thy Iggy got off holding a lebron with 0 stars to 30 PPG. That’s how insane LeBron is.
The intangibles dont get captured by stats. How do you quantify the off-ball movement of Curry or the space his shooting creates? Just look at how stars perform with Lebum and how they perform with Curry. But those intangibles play a huge role in winning. When it comes to Lebron, you folks start acting like winning doesn't matter which is ridiculous.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Steph is a winner, and has a better record or a cleaner resume. He has the intangibles as well, his gravity alone has boosted the team’s offense like it was an anime skill lmfao. Changed the way the NBA is played, pure skill, and all at 6’3. Pound-for-pound the greatest player ever that stepped on the court in terms of skill, and building a team around. Imagine if the dude was 6’6 and more athletic instead with that offensive skill set and game sense. No question, he would have dominated the league more.

He could have broken all of the records too but folks forget that Kerr always sidelined him when he‘s hot for the majority of their prime stint. If somebody could have broken the scoring records, Curry is one of those candidates. The Warriors never had to do that, they were destroying teams within the 3rd quarter alone. That prime Warriors’ beautiful level of basketball was all built around Steph and his offball movement, and gravity. Dude gets tackled and double, even triple teamed like nobody’s business. That kind of zone defense wasn’t allowed in the 90’s either.
Steph a monster no doubt but I think everything taken into account his career is second to Lebron
Steph the clear number two of his gen. KD, Wade or Leonard are far behind
 
Is this how an indifferent person replies? "I have been watching since this - I know more than you" - Fool, how do you know that I haven't been watching longer than you?
Because you have curry over lebron. Either you’re very drunk on the curry kool aid or you’re a newer watcher

And wtf is your obsession with analysts? YouTubers are doing a better job these days than those clowns on television.

Most Klutch paid analysts, like Broussard, Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright put Steph in their top 10, but I don't want to quote those clowns.
YouTubers who are not held accountable for the shit they say? Nah I’m good on that. Those dudes are also clowns

and who tf is talking about Shannon sharpe? He’s not an analyst he’s an entertainer. I am talking about people like Zach Lowe who study the game. Nick Wright is also a very knowledgeable but I don’t bring him up due to his obvious bias.

And no, Nick wright did not put Steph in the top 10, a quick google search shows that.

The intangibles dont get captured by stats. How do you quantify the off-ball movement of Curry or the space his shooting creates? Just look at how stars perform with Lebum and how they perform with Curry. But those intangibles play a huge role in winning. When it comes to Lebron, you folks start acting like winning doesn't matter which is ridiculous.
Intangibles? You mean how LeBron literally commands an entire defense to focus on him? Why are we acting like Gravity is a curry only thing? Every great player has commanded that.

and what star player has Curry made better? KD has had better seasons outside of GS, so has Jimmy Butler. If you share the floor with a great players, your usage will diminish. It’s as simple as that

and LeBron literally made the careers of several role players, so let’s not even argue that
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Lebron legend is just bigger than Steph one

2016 Lebron title > Any Steph title
2022 Steph ring > Lebron's 2016 ring.

Lebron had Kyrie who was averaging insane numbers on his own in that finals, Kyrie hitting the shot in isolation over Curry to win the series too. Curry's best support was Wiggins, Kerr literally benched Draymond that series and Curry still won. Celtics were like the #1 ranked defense of all time that year, they swept KD and Kyrie.

Not to mention in 2016 Curry was 70% at best, league suspended Draymond in a pivotal Game 6, league rigged the game making sure Curry was off the floor in foul trouble so it goes 7, Bogut got injured so they lost their interior defense, Iggy was injured so they lost their best wing defender. Lebron beat a shell of the 2016 Warriors with an amazing supporting cast and a dominant performance by Kyrie.

Steph single handedly destroyed the #1 ranked Celtics defense, even Timelord came back in that series. They had no answer because of a single player. It's the more impressive ring with context, that's a bottom 2 team without Steph and they destroyed Celtics.

Only Dirk's ring was tougher imo.

I rank Lebron above Curry because his career was dominant from start to finish, he's got peaks and longevity. But 2022 > 2016. And I also think Curry has an argument to be the biggest floor raiser and the most valuable player of all time, the win/loss and his on/off +/- is ranked #1 all time I think. He might be the single most impactful player to have on the court, his presence alone morphs the court because of how far back he pulls the defense, it becomes a layup line when you play with him.

Curry also didn't go ring hunting, and form teams to win his rings. He pretty much has won with every iteration of the Warriors no matter what they surround him with he has made it work. Some of the most talent in the league and some of the worst talent in the league, still put a ring on it. This counts for something.

The last iteration with Jimmy remains to be seen but I think as long as he is healthy they will have a solid chance winning next year.
 
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RayanOO

Lazy is the way
2022 Steph ring > Lebron's 2016 ring.
You don’t believe this yourself

Chosen one and Akron son > the decision and the hate > the come back > Winning after 60 y, winning after a 3-1 lead, winning against the 73-9 team

this is just plain superior than Steph 2022 title

Don’t care is curry was playing only with scrubs or not
Curry also didn't go ring hunting, and form teams to win his rings.
KD joining after the 2016 flop season :choppawhat:
 
You don’t believe this yourself

Chosen one and Akron son > the decision and the hate > the come back > Winning after 60 y, winning after a 3-1 lead, winning against the 73-9 team

this is just plain superior than Steph 2022 title

Don’t care is curry was playing only with scrubs or not

KD joining after the 2016 flop season :choppawhat:
It’s great narrative but NBA itself rigged it to extend. Domini effect then happened. Injured key players like Bogut right when Dray was suspended. Key players were ass in the last 3 games in terms of shooting iirc, historic performance not only from Bron but also Kyrie. Basically, everything went against the Warriors’ way. Kyrie’s last shot also sealed the deal, he deserves just as much credit as Bron.
 
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