But the problem here is only of we compare his achievement to his fellow legend.
Whitebeard fought against whole marinford and defeated multiple opponent.
Garp fought whole pirate Island and needed shiryus fatal stab and Aokiji to go down.
Rayleigh completely stopped kizaru who let's not kind ourself is the fastest since he is light so not a slow person like Sommer. Then 2 years later stopped Blackbeard who is luffys nemesis.
People still downplay blackbeard but they will realize how ridiculously strong he is when he go all out and also the seriousness of the fact that he backed down when Rayleigh showed up.
Again it's not that gaban did bad its just that compared to his fellow legend what he did wasn't enough.
Oda likely purposely did this as to not have gaban outdo the other legend after all Whitebeard still look way better than any of them.
I mean the guy saw his son get killed with future sight if he tried something. You dont realize how traumatizing that is, so him surrendering is fine. Not sure what people wanted him to do.
As you mentioned, Ray had higher position in the crew. Yet people say they stood shoulder to shoulder. So on what were they shoulder to shoulder? On what basis were they equal?
It's almost like it's about their strength or something.
Almost like jimbe saying that while Gaben is literally fighting in front of them is a hint about it being about strength or something...
There’s no ambiguity, it is literally shown that it means combat wise as both instances they talked about it was right before or during Gaban showing off his combat prowess
So you still can't provide me with this panel your talking about. They were literally talking about samething with arlong. They brought it up to hype his strength along with Jinbei. Basically using jinbei name has a leech. Then we found out Jinbei would beat the breaks off him
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THE ARLONG/JIMBO ARGUMENT.
Zoro stans especially have ratcheted it up on the agenda wars since Wano.
The fact Gaban is such a fucking awesome character and doing so much to impress so quickly is driving them fucking nuts because he is Sanji's parallel and so many of them have begun to realise, in the back of their heads, that they have spent YEARS of their lives so confidently believing and espousing in bullshit that Oda has been taking a hot steaming shit on for like 2-3 years running.
The toxicity is so bad rn because Sanji fans and stans have had so much to celebrate so consistently. That's why the downplaying and disingenuous arguments have gotten so absurd. The agenda is dead.
You don’t get it, it clearly means standing next to as oda used the same wording for along and jinbe back 1000 chapters ago when jinbes role in the story wasn’t even mapped out fully
So you still can't provide me with this panel your talking about. They were literally talking about samething with arlong. They brought it up to hype his strength along with Jinbei. Basically using jinbei name has a leech. Then we found out Jinbei would beat the breaks off him
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