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Some toei animator either will make Jinbei, Robin or Nami as Gaban counterpart or they will make Sommers land a direct attack 1v1 on him if they let him be Sanji parallel
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Gaban can blitz Sommers in less than one second but base Gunko was too fast for him:crazwhat:

Wunko >>> Sommers (he will redeem himself later on)

Wouldn't be excited to hype someone with the portrayal of the kurozumi hag this chapter
 
-FS
-AdCoC
-Shoulder to shoulder mention with Rayleigh multiple times (and even got a Roger mention once)
-Had Zoro and Luffy shitting their pants off one hakiless attack.

Yonkou lvl is his floor with the resume above. Unless you are strictly talking about Old version of Gaban, but even then he's still around that mark given what we've seen from guys like Rayleigh and Garp.
Clearly, Gaban has top-tier portrayal. My point wasn't in reference to Gaban's portrayal, it was in reference to the posts saying FS + ACoC must mean you're X level. 1010 Luffy had FS, ACoC, ID CoA and a strong DF yet still wasn't even top-tier, hence my point that the toolset alone doesn't tell us much about a character's strength.

I doubt Gaban was much weaker than Rayleigh - I'd place Prime Rayleigh next to Shanks and Prime Gaban next to Kizaru. I'd say old Gaban is either the weakest top-tier or the strongest in-betweener. Gaban was bloodlusted from the get-go and even hit Sommers with two major sneak attacks, one of them cutting off his hand. Still, you could class the fight as low-diff. Once base Zoro got serious, he dealt with Lucci even easier, who should be at least on the same level as a regen-less Sommers. Base Zoro certainly isn't a top-tier, which means your average YC1 level characters get low-diffed by in-betweeners and above.

Gaban also essentially admitted inferiority to Loki, however strong Loki is. Gaban receives
similar portrayal as the other old legends, but no matter how small the gap, he was weaker than they were in his prime, so he's still weaker than they are now. Thus, where old Gaban lies on the tier list depends on where your cut-off is. From what I saw of Garp and Gaban, I'd say Gaban wouldn't push Garp past high-diff and Garp's already weakened to the point that he's being matched by a nigh fruitless Kuzan. Gotta draw the line somewhere, and I think old Gaban is gonna be the border for a lot of people.
 
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Garp has been training every single day for the past 20 years while Gaban and Rayleigh barely fight every couple years.

Even in their primes they were below Garp, it would make 0 sense for them to still be relative at this point
Even if you think Garp’s physicals are above which is reasonable. Gaban has FS, this is a MASSIVE speed boost the way Oda treats it

She didn’t evade anything. She started moving same time he did. Because they reacted to the same thing. Colon calling Gaban his dad.

Gunko wouldn’t be able to dodge that attack let’s be real. That’s why she needed the hostage.
She would attacked Gaban instead (And gotten cut or her attack bypassed). She reacted equally or faster. That’s not a blitz in the end, a blitz is when you attack the opponent faster than they can perceive
 
Even if you think Garp’s physicals are above which is reasonable. Gaban has FS, this is a MASSIVE speed boost the way Oda treats it



She would attacked Gaban instead (And gotten cut or her attack bypassed). She reacted equally or faster. That’s not a blitz in the end, a blitz is when you attack the opponent faster than they can perceive
She didn’t react to Gaban is the point. Both just reacted to Colon.

If colon wasn’t there and those two were fighting, she’d have gotten blitzed like Sommers.
 
Even if you think Garp’s physicals are above which is reasonable. Gaban has FS, this is a MASSIVE speed boost the way Oda treats it



She would attacked Gaban instead (And gotten cut or her attack bypassed). She reacted equally or faster. That’s not a blitz in the end, a blitz is when you attack the opponent faster than they can perceive
Fair enough I'll grant that Garp hasn't explicity shown future sight but I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't have it.

And off of feats + logic (Garp still trains every day and we have direct VC statements that he hasn't actually declined immensely) I have him a level above every other legend besides WB on meds.
 
Gunko was keeping Gaban in her sight, she at least has the necessary speed. She gauged when she’ll attack and how fast she’ll attack Colon. Otherwise, the situation wouldn’t have worked. If she didn’t have a certain level of speed herself then Gaban would just statue her before she can kill Colon.
 
She didn’t react to Gaban is the point. Both just reacted to Colon.

If colon wasn’t there and those two were fighting, she’d have gotten blitzed like Sommers.
You still haven't explained why Her reacitng to Colon matters.

Gaban was aiming for her, his attack was centered on her. He did not move fast enough to hit her.


The only way your argument works is if Gaban stupidly chooses to swing at empty air and not the person who clearly told him before colon even spoke up that she would kill the hostages.
 
You still haven't explained why Her reacitng to Colon matters.

Gaban was aiming for her, his attack was centered on her. He did not move fast enough to hit her.


The only way your argument works is if Gaban stupidly chooses to swing at empty air and not the person who clearly told him before colon even spoke up that she would kill the hostages.
Because remove Colon, and she gets blitzed? That’s the point. She wouldn’t have been able to fight him without colon giving away how to win.
 
Because remove Colon, and she gets blitzed? That’s the point. She wouldn’t have been able to fight him without colon giving away how to win.
Remove colon and she could still dodge that attack.

Why is the only option she gets blitzed?

I'm not saying Gunko could win against Gaban.

But she managed to move faster to her target twice despite him clearly having killing intent. Enough so that he knew with FS he couldn't save his son.

Why is it so insane to think she can react to him, when a one armed Sommers could.
 
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