Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1151 Spoilers Discussion

[SakazOuki]

Rinnegan Obito
Pain
Itachi
MS Obito
Orochimaru
Kisame
Kakuzu
Konan (with prep)
Deidara
Sasori
Hidan

Hidan is a wild card, limited skillset but deadly gimmick that can take out stronger opponents

 

[soupongo]

How do you rank the Akatsuki? My list goes like this:

1. Obito
2. Nagato/Pain
3. Itachi
4. Kisame
5. Orochimaru
6. Sasori/Deidara
7. Deidara/Sasori
8. Zetsu
9. Konan
10. Kakuzu
11. Hidan

Ngl, Obito being above Pain doesnt really sit right with me, unless we´re counting him having the ten tails and stuff. But at the time of the tailed beast collection, Obito sends Nagato to do what he failed to achive(capturing the nine tails). Obito doesnt even really view himself above Itachi

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

What do they mean by Luffy "knowing everything happening on Elbaf", like Goku on Namek?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

What do they mean by Luffy "knowing everything happening on Elbaf", like Goku on Namek?

Lmfao I love the TFS joke about this. Goku has so many one off powers cause Toriyama was looking for short cuts.

 

[Shiroyru]

You'll have to convince me on Zetsu, Konan and Kakuzu lmfaoooooooo

I'm apart of the Deidara >= Sasori camp as well. I think the Sasori > Deidara PoV is very unfounded, without looking into the context of why Deidara said what he said.

My list looks more like;

1. Obito
2. Itachi / Pein
3. Pein / Itachi
4. Orochimaru
5. Hoshigaki Kisame, Sultan of Suiton, Monster of the Hidden Mist
6. Deidara
7. Sasori
8. Kakuzu
9. Konan
10. Hidan
11. Zetsu

Black Zetsu alone was fighting evenly with Mei + Chojuro + several other Jonin. Adding in White Zetsu Prime should make him even stronger

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Rinnegan Obito
Pain
Itachi
MS Obito
Orochimaru
Kisame
Kakuzu
Konan (with prep)
Deidara
Sasori
Hidan

Hidan is a wild card, limited skillset but deadly gimmick that can take out stronger opponents

Rank the Gokage + Tsunade in with the Akatsuki now

 

[ZenZu]

Naruto Part 1 scaling is objectively whackier than pre-TS OP scaling. Give Oda some credit. Let’s list off just some Part 1 oddities:

1. Kakashi can’t use his 3T Sharingan for more than 5 minutes without being bedridden for a week
2. Kakashi can only use Raikiri 4 times max before bottoming out, but could casually summon like 100 Shadow Clones in the Land of Waves despite stating he’s basically out of chakra.
3. The Byakugan being > the Sharingan
4. Hiruzen being > Hashirama and Tobirama
5. Minato being > all other Hokage
6. Haku being stated multiple times to be > Kakashi, despite getting low diffed by Naruto just barely tapping into the Kyuubi’s chakra (didn’t even manifest a tail)
7. Chapter 1 Naruto straight up beating a Chunin and then immediately being reverted to being below most Genin

While these are true, none of these apply to Kisame or Asuma. Asuma is supposed to be elite in CQC, it's all he really has. Getting a cut on Kisame is not supposed to be an outlier for him. Just nicking your opponent isn't supposed to kill them in most scenarios anyway.

 

[soupongo]

Naruto Part 1 scaling is objectively whackier than pre-TS OP scaling. Give Oda some credit. Let’s list off just some Part 1 oddities:

1. Kakashi can’t use his 3T Sharingan for more than 5 minutes without being bedridden for a week
2. Kakashi can only use Raikiri 4 times max before bottoming out, but could casually summon like 100 Shadow Clones in the Land of Waves despite stating he’s basically out of chakra.
3. The Byakugan being > the Sharingan
4. Hiruzen being > Hashirama and Tobirama
5. Minato being > all other Hokage
6. Haku being stated multiple times to be > Kakashi, despite getting low diffed by Naruto just barely tapping into the Kyuubi’s chakra (didn’t even manifest a tail)
7. Chapter 1 Naruto straight up beating a Chunin and then immediately being reverted to being below most Genin

Minato was never said to be the strongest Hokage in part 1, was he?
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Besides Jiraiya praising him

 

[Shiroyru]

While these are true, none of these apply to Kisame or Asuma. Asuma is supposed to be elite in CQC, it's all he really has. Getting a cut on Kisame is not supposed to be an outlier for him. Just nicking your opponent isn't supposed to kill them in most scenarios anyway.

Kisame’s 30% clone just straight up created a lake and could also instantly neg Team Guy (minor Guy himself, and keep in mind Neji was a Jonin). Either Kisame wasn’t trying in Part 1, or Kishi retconned him to be much stronger. That’s all there is to it really

 

[SakazOuki]

Rank the Gokage + Tsunade in with the Akatsuki now

Rinnegan Obito
Pain
Itachi
Raikage
Onoki
MS Obito
Orochimaru
Kisame
Kakuzu
Konan (with prep)
Deidara
Gaara
Sasori
Lava babe
Hidan
Tsunade

 

[Sir Yasheen]

half-dead seastone nerfed Loki got better COO than the chicken wings

Loki being the only character in the manga to use haki while touching sea stone is insane.

Personally I think this will end up being VoaT as Luffy doesn’t understand how he knows this stuff, but if it’s CoO good for Woki

 

[ZenZu]

Kisame’s 30% clone just straight up created a lake and could also instantly neg Team Guy (minor Guy himself, and keep in mind Neji was a Jonin). Either Kisame wasn’t trying in Part 1, or Kishi retconned him to be much stronger. That’s all there is to it really

That has nothing to do with Asuma's CQC skills. Kisame wanted to have a go at Asuma in close quarters. No one resorts to just creating a lake off the bat, Kisame has shown he likes to engage in CQC often, unfortunately that's why not having intel on Hidan is such an issue, you think the fight is just getting started but that's all he needs. With full intel obviously Kisame is destroying Hidan.

 

[Shiroyru]

Minato was never said to be the strongest Hokage in part 1, was he?
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Besides Jiraiya praising him

Hiruzen was more worried about Orochimaru summoning the 4th than the 1st and 2nd Hokages

 

[ZenZu]

Rinnegan Obito
Pain
Itachi
Raikage
Onoki
MS Obito
Orochimaru
Kisame
Kakuzu
Konan (with prep)
Deidara
Gaara
Sasori
Lava babe
Hidan
Tsunade

Prep shouldn't count for Konan.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

What do they mean by Luffy "knowing everything happening on Elbaf", like Goku on Namek?

Toriyama legit said “fuck recaps just read their minds.”

 

[soupongo]

Itachi
Raikage

no, lol.
Also, how do you even end up with Tsunade being below Gaara, sasori and Hidan...?

 

[SakazOuki]

That has nothing to do with Asuma's CQC skills. Kisame wanted to have a go at Asuma in close quarters. No one resorts to just creating a lake off the bat, Kisame has shown he likes to engage in CQC often, unfortunately that's why not having intel on Hidan is such an issue, you think the fight is just getting started but that's all he needs. With full intel obviously Kisame is destroying Hidan.

Respect Asuma

Prep shouldn't count for Konan.

Dead last then

 

[ZenZu]

Dead last then

You know ball

 

[SakazOuki]

no, lol.
Also, how do you even end up with Tsunade being below Gaara, sasori and Hidan...?

Pathetic, if anyone brought slander to the kage tier it’s Tsunade

 

[Bogard]

Half dead or not, Oda can't wait to release the beast