Break Week What are Swordsmen? What does it mean to be WSS? Directly answered by Zoro
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Imagine Shanks using his observation killing or wifi haki during his duel with Mihawk, sword bois would still try and convince you that's part of Shanks's swordsmanship.
Kaku considers his storm kick attack part of his swordsmanship even though his legs aren't swords.
He's is 4 sword style user because of it.
That means being better fighter/warrior, similar to Shanks having better Haki to beat Mihawk while Mihawk has better skill.
Grok:
Grok isn't biased so you can trust that.
Grok:
Grok isn't biased so you can trust that.
What are you doing here exactly ?
So how do you separate speed from swordsmanship?
do you tell the swordsmen to not use a single attack that requires speed?
And on that note, how does you seperate everything else. How do quantify whether someone won because they have better endurance? I mean since we are NOT doing Kendo tournaments where people win points from any random hit, that means the endurance of the person being hit matter right? So how do make sure that someone didn’t win simply because they can take ungodly punishment and damage? (This is important since Zoro specifically has higher endurance than goddamn Kuma, so we should get rid of that so he doesn’t cheat)
Also how do we make sure that Zoro’s ability to throw buildings by sheer physical strength doesn’t affect his swordsmanship? How do we make sure Zoro’s CoO that he needs to dodge attacks is removed? Let’s remove that fact that Zoro has graded swords since they have nothing to do with his “skill”. Let’s remove Zoro’s CoA and CoC too to be Safe.
I mean we need Zoro to become the “most skilled” swordsman so Oda has to remove all the above so Oda isn’t constantly cheating and using any of this in his final fight, right?
do you tell the swordsmen to not use a single attack that requires speed?
And on that note, how does you seperate everything else. How do quantify whether someone won because they have better endurance? I mean since we are NOT doing Kendo tournaments where people win points from any random hit, that means the endurance of the person being hit matter right? So how do make sure that someone didn’t win simply because they can take ungodly punishment and damage? (This is important since Zoro specifically has higher endurance than goddamn Kuma, so we should get rid of that so he doesn’t cheat)
Also how do we make sure that Zoro’s ability to throw buildings by sheer physical strength doesn’t affect his swordsmanship? How do we make sure Zoro’s CoO that he needs to dodge attacks is removed? Let’s remove that fact that Zoro has graded swords since they have nothing to do with his “skill”. Let’s remove Zoro’s CoA and CoC too to be Safe.
I mean we need Zoro to become the “most skilled” swordsman so Oda has to remove all the above so Oda isn’t constantly cheating and using any of this in his final fight, right?
I debunked ZKKfanboys many times, but they always cry and say that I am biased and hater.
Now I show Grok's reply, and you still say thats biased and hater?
Now I show Grok's reply, and you still say thats biased and hater?
You post this early on the week. Your post stated haki it's not included in WSS title because that was what AI told you.
You think chatgpt and grok are biased and hater too? Or you want to cry more?
''Pure sword duel: Mihawk %60 wins
All out fight: Shanks %55 wins.''
They say Haki doesn't include in WGS title as well, thats what I said.
Chatgpt and grok proved me right again.
''Pure sword duel: Mihawk %60 wins
All out fight: Shanks %55 wins.''
They say Haki doesn't include in WGS title as well, thats what I said.
Chatgpt and grok proved me right again.
In my post, I provided scene from the manga where Zoro, who wants Miha6wk title, learns haki from Mihawk and how important it is in swordsmanship.
The fact ChatGTP and grok believes haki is not included in the WSS ( or your incorrect WGS) tells us it's wrong and you should stop using AI in your post.
This is Zoro's current pinnacle of swordsmanship. It includes haki.
Haki is the reason the technique is so powerful and destructive.
During Zoro's WSS training flashback with Mihawk, he was taught haki. Haki is so important to swordsmanship, Mihawk wouldn't let Zorro drink any alcohol until he mastered it.
The manga tells us haki is not only part of swordsmanship, it's very important in swordsmanship. Yet you want us to believe it is not included?
I debunked ZKKfanboys many times, but they always cry and say that I am biased and hater.
Now I show Grok's reply, and you still say thats biased and hater?
Now I show Grok's reply, and you still say thats biased and hater?
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Zoro works out so does Mihawk, both are physically strong, but that isn't swordsmanship.
Let's say Zoro was 100 times faster than Mihawk, he'd speedblitz Mihawk and beat him easily even without a sword, but that doesn't mean he's the superior swordsman.
Question 1: When is a weapon a sword?
I think most can agree that weapons like spears, axes, naginatas, etc are not usually considered swords despite being blades weapons. Being meito or cursed shouldn’t change that
Hell we’ve even seen Kaido capable of cutting techniques with his kanabo and I think Yamato too. Doesn’t mean it’s a sword
At the same time all those weapons can be used as swords depending on the wielder
A scythe which isn’t a sword can be used as a sword as shown by zoro
Nekomamushi with his claws but obviously not all claws are swords
Legs obviously aren’t swords but Kaku still refers to them as so because of his tempest kicks. Even tho all of cp9 can also use the same technique. Similar to how all marines have trained in using swords but that doesn’t make all of them swordsmen
Question 2: When is a man a swordsman?
We already know that despite any weapon being capable of being used in swordsmanship it doesn’t mean the weapon itself is a sword aka above
The funny thing is tho it’s the same way even using a sword doesn’t automatically make you a swordsman
We know there’s a difference between using a sword/blade and being proficient in a sword style
King despite being knowledgeable on what it means to be a swordsman while even using a sword him doesn’t claim to be one due to not having a real swordsmanship style
Then we got someone like cabaji who he himself claimed to be a swordsman and even challenged zoro to a sword duel despite automatically breaking the deal
When someone considers themselves a swordsman regardless of how skilled they truly are they are still an obstacle in Zoro’s path he has to surpass. Cabaji despite being fodder is more or a swordsman than king because he actually claims to be one
Franky and pica despite using swords aren’t swordsmen like Brook and diamanté who actually consider themselves swordsmen
Most skilled swordsmen actually have sword styles tho
Like cavendish’s beautiful sword style
Hyogoros flower style
Etc
Like it or not that also leaves the door open for Linlin and Shanks to not be tied down to the swordman title
I think most can agree that weapons like spears, axes, naginatas, etc are not usually considered swords despite being blades weapons. Being meito or cursed shouldn’t change that
Hell we’ve even seen Kaido capable of cutting techniques with his kanabo and I think Yamato too. Doesn’t mean it’s a sword
At the same time all those weapons can be used as swords depending on the wielder
A scythe which isn’t a sword can be used as a sword as shown by zoro
Nekomamushi with his claws but obviously not all claws are swords
Legs obviously aren’t swords but Kaku still refers to them as so because of his tempest kicks. Even tho all of cp9 can also use the same technique. Similar to how all marines have trained in using swords but that doesn’t make all of them swordsmen
Question 2: When is a man a swordsman?
We already know that despite any weapon being capable of being used in swordsmanship it doesn’t mean the weapon itself is a sword aka above
The funny thing is tho it’s the same way even using a sword doesn’t automatically make you a swordsman
We know there’s a difference between using a sword/blade and being proficient in a sword style
King despite being knowledgeable on what it means to be a swordsman while even using a sword him doesn’t claim to be one due to not having a real swordsmanship style
Then we got someone like cabaji who he himself claimed to be a swordsman and even challenged zoro to a sword duel despite automatically breaking the deal
When someone considers themselves a swordsman regardless of how skilled they truly are they are still an obstacle in Zoro’s path he has to surpass. Cabaji despite being fodder is more or a swordsman than king because he actually claims to be one
Franky and pica despite using swords aren’t swordsmen like Brook and diamanté who actually consider themselves swordsmen
Most skilled swordsmen actually have sword styles tho
Like cavendish’s beautiful sword style
Hyogoros flower style
Etc
Like it or not that also leaves the door open for Linlin and Shanks to not be tied down to the swordman title
- No sword styles
- Ikoku and divine departure aren’t under one
- Have not claimed to be swordsmen
- Just like king has shown you can have a sword duel despite not considering yourself a swordsman
- Not as important but both can likely fight without their swords especially if griffin also ends up being sentient
Can Oda seperate them? I mean he’s written 1150 chapters and yet you cannot find a way to make sure that Zoro having one of the highest endurance stats among human class characters won’t factor into his final fight
I mean if your idea is “Oda said so” then let’s go with that. Oda had Zoro say King isn’t a swordsman. Correct. Oda DID NOT say king isn’t a swordsman supposedly because King uses his speed and strength in combat, right?
what Oda did was have King explain that he isn’t a swordsman because King doesn’t use sword techniques in combat.
so, where does that leave Speed, Strength endurance, haki, sword grades? Is King disqualified because he literally has a speed mode when he removes his fire? Is that what you think Oda is saying? Is King disqualified because he’s invincible in flame mode?
is EVERYTHING about King an automatic qualification? If a swordsman uses a punch they are disqualified (Zoro has used punches)… If a swordsman uses fire attacks they are disqualified? (Zoro has used fire attacks)… If a Swordsman Augments their body in unnatural ways like King pulling his face for a headbutt in Dino form, they are disqualified? (Zoro has bizarre body augmentations too, remember)
I mean if your idea is “Oda said so” then let’s go with that. Oda had Zoro say King isn’t a swordsman. Correct. Oda DID NOT say king isn’t a swordsman supposedly because King uses his speed and strength in combat, right?
what Oda did was have King explain that he isn’t a swordsman because King doesn’t use sword techniques in combat.
so, where does that leave Speed, Strength endurance, haki, sword grades? Is King disqualified because he literally has a speed mode when he removes his fire? Is that what you think Oda is saying? Is King disqualified because he’s invincible in flame mode?
is EVERYTHING about King an automatic qualification? If a swordsman uses a punch they are disqualified (Zoro has used punches)… If a swordsman uses fire attacks they are disqualified? (Zoro has used fire attacks)… If a Swordsman Augments their body in unnatural ways like King pulling his face for a headbutt in Dino form, they are disqualified? (Zoro has bizarre body augmentations too, remember)
What you are trying to say is no different from what I said.
I will try to make it simple.
Playing Guitar = Swordsmanship
Playing a particular song = Sword skill
If one practice guitar, live by it as it's primary musical instrument then he will get better at it and will learn skills - mastery of sword skills which means one get better at swordsmanship.
This is how traditional swordsmen like Zoro are in one piece.
Now, we have another type of guitar players (excluding fodders)
One who plays guitar and another musical instrument piano that is to have swordsmanship and df ability.
In this category, we have two sub classes....
A) Those who have guitar (swordsmanship) as primary instrument but uses piano (df ability) to supplement guitar (swordsmanship).
That is they can play both instruments but still have guitar as their primary playing instrument or swordsmanship as primary fighting style. Piano is used to enhance thier guitar playing skills -
That is df and haki are used to enhance their sword skills......kaku, Fuji etc. even haki users like Zoro comes under this category.
They all are swordsmen
B) Those who play both instruments but doesn't play guitar as primary musical instrument. They prefer to switch to piano as well. Or you can say with time, they got better at playing piano which means they are more versed in piano skills(df skills) than guitar skills (sword skills).
Piano in this case isn't being used to enhance their guitar skills but as another set of skills which they can rely upon independently of guitar skills or sword skills.
King is under this category as he use df and lunarian abilities as primary fighting style than swordsmanship.
I will try to make it simple.
Playing Guitar = Swordsmanship
Playing a particular song = Sword skill
If one practice guitar, live by it as it's primary musical instrument then he will get better at it and will learn skills - mastery of sword skills which means one get better at swordsmanship.
This is how traditional swordsmen like Zoro are in one piece.
Now, we have another type of guitar players (excluding fodders)
One who plays guitar and another musical instrument piano that is to have swordsmanship and df ability.
In this category, we have two sub classes....
A) Those who have guitar (swordsmanship) as primary instrument but uses piano (df ability) to supplement guitar (swordsmanship).
That is they can play both instruments but still have guitar as their primary playing instrument or swordsmanship as primary fighting style. Piano is used to enhance thier guitar playing skills -
That is df and haki are used to enhance their sword skills......kaku, Fuji etc. even haki users like Zoro comes under this category.
They all are swordsmen
B) Those who play both instruments but doesn't play guitar as primary musical instrument. They prefer to switch to piano as well. Or you can say with time, they got better at playing piano which means they are more versed in piano skills(df skills) than guitar skills (sword skills).
Piano in this case isn't being used to enhance their guitar skills but as another set of skills which they can rely upon independently of guitar skills or sword skills.
King is under this category as he use df and lunarian abilities as primary fighting style than swordsmanship.
So Kiku and and Brook have seord TECHNIQUES with their epithets in them. They do not have seord styles.
unless you want to start arguing that actually Sword techniques are the same thing as sword styles… is that it?
If you want to say Sword techniques are the same as sword styles, then obviously we have to bring up Shanks and Roger’s sword technicians
So we are doing the classic “pure swordsman” argument
unless you want to start arguing that actually Sword techniques are the same thing as sword styles… is that it?
If you want to say Sword techniques are the same as sword styles, then obviously we have to bring up Shanks and Roger’s sword technicians
So we are doing the classic “pure swordsman” argument