General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
- Thread starter Uncle Van
- Start date
- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
Blackbeard/Cross Guild will join forces. Teach is smart: he knows who his real enemies are right now.
Are the Straw Hats dangerous? Of course. Are they on the Blackbeard Pirates/Red Haired Pirates level? No, Luffy had to have a Marine Admiral save him from Saturn.
Teach is competing with Shanks right now, the dude who can one shot Luffy/Law/Kidd (Luffy is weak to slashing attacks and isn't near Shank's ridiculous fuck-you Haki. Luffy and Law both get what Kidd got if Shanks fights them at 100%). Teach knows he can't beat Shanks; that's why he ran at Marineford, and hasn't gone to Wano, yet.
Who is known as Shank's equal? Mihawk. What does Croc, Hawk's ally want? Pluton. What does Teach want? Laugh Tale.
This is important: Mihawk and Croc DO NOT want to become King of the Pirates, just BUGGY (there's a reason Buggy is the Yonkou, not these small-timers).
Through Caribou's info, Teach can offer Crocodile the Pluton he always wanted, and Mihawk an entire army of Samurai/a defensible military fortress in Wano. Wano is everything Cross Guild wants: Croc wants Pluton, Mihawk wants swordsmen to fight so he's not bored. Mihawk got so bored he started teaching random wild war monkeys he found of his island (Humandrills) swordplay. THAT IS HIGH LEVEL BOREDOM.
Cross Guild allying with Teach sets up Blackbeard vs Luffy better, because it gives us more to work with. Cross Guild allying with Teach slots Zoro into Mihawk for his Blackbeard fight, gives Shanks a reason to fight Mihawk again, gives us multiple enemies near Loki's level to justify Loki and Yamato joining, and puts Teach nears Rocks' level in terms of crew strength.
Pre-Fruit Burgess challenged Pre-Fruit Sabo in Dressrosa, and Shiryu is on Magellan's level. Ivankov, 2nd Rev Commander, lost to Magellan handily, and Crocodile/Jinbe, two Shichibukai working together, both wanted nothing to do with fighting Shiryu.
If Cross Guild joins Teach, the Black Cross Guild looks like this:
Black Cross Guild:
Admirals: Blackbeard/Buggy
20 Titanic Captains: 1. Mihawk, 2. Kuzan, 3. Shiryu, 4. Crocodile, 5. Burgess, 6. Van Augur, 7. Laffitte, 8. Doc Q, 9. Stronger, 10. Sanjuan Wolf, 11. Pizarro, 12. Vasco Shot, 13. Catarina Devon, 14. Apoo, 15. Caribou, 16. York, (everyone past here is not fighting a Straw Hat) 17. Galdino, 18. Alvida, 19. Cabaji, 20. Mohji (I think Apoo is a spy for Teach who will help sneak him into Wano via the secret Mogura Port with the Gondola Apoo used to bring the Numbers to the Golden Kagura for the Raid, and Caribou will get a spot over telling Teach about Pluton/Poseidon).
Who in the fuck is fucking with that crew? WHO?
So, here's where I'm at: I believe the Blackbeard fights will be very thematic, and they will happen on Laugh Tale. The Straw Hats will clash with the Blackbeard Pirates in Wano for Pluton, and lose to them. Then, they might fight here and there again, but, the final battle is on Laugh Tale.
Straw Hat Line-Up:
Admirals: Luffy and Loki. Luffy runs the Straw Hats, Loki runs the Grand Fleet (Hajrudin is gonna love this). This lets Loki join without really joining (Law 2.0), and gives us someone to run the Grand Fleet.
20 Straw Hat Officers: 1. Zoro, 2. Nami, 3. Usopp, 4. Sanji, 5. Chopper, 6. Vivi, 7. Karoo, 8. Robin, 9. Franky, 10. Brook, 11. Jinbe, 12. Tama, 13. Momo, 14. Yamato, 15. Bonney ,16. Lilith
Luffy vs Teach: Obvious.
Zoro vs Mihawk: Obvious. Zoro and Mihawk need to fight before Imu is taken care of, IMO. Laugh Tale is the best place for them to fight narratively, because the stakes are the highest, the One Piece. Imu's hax allows Mihawk to be the Strongest Swordsmen Zoro faces, since V. Nusjuro's devil hax from Imu will still make Gandhi a stronger fighter overall.
Loki vs Kuzan: Man trapped in ice vs man who traps in ice. Loki is Violent Giant who seeks to destroy the World/World Government (Loki wants what Rocks wanted, to erase the WG and replace them with another rule). Kuzan was friends with a friendly Giant (Saul) who he trapped in ice, in order to stop the Final War/Ragnarok, which Loki desires, by keeping the Ancient History/One Piece hidden. Kuzan almost beat Akainu (I actually think Kuzan won, BTW), he needs a serious threat to defeat him.
Yamato vs Shiryu: Bloodthirsty, disloyal jailer swordsman who fled Wano, vs kind, loyal Samurai who was jailed in Wano (Shiryu is from Wano, IMO; I think a lot of people were like Oden and wanted to leave/left, but Oden SUUUUCKED at sailing)
Sanji vs Crocodile: Mr. Prince vs King of the Crocs. Lot of bad blood been brewing here for a while. Sanji is royalty; Crocodile hates royalty. Sanji feeds people/Croc starves them. Sanji is the reason Croc didn't kill the Straw Hats in Rain Base. Croc abused Vivi/Robin. Sanji comes from a military state that worships military power; Croc wants to make one, Utopia.
Franky vs Burgess: Burgess is a wrestling themed fighter, and Franky is also along those lines. Franky's the only person with the durability to take Burgess's hits at this point who's not Sanji. I do think we'll see Vasco and Franky clash, though, because Drunk Franky would be really, really funny. Both Burgess and Franky are very loud/brash, but are actually calculating under their exterior. Furthermore, out of any Blackbeard Pirate, Burgess's design language is similar to Franky's: they both have the small legs, medium waist, large abs, and then FUCKING GIGANTIC SHOULDERS archetype.
Usopp vs Van Augur: Somehow more obvious than Luffy vs Teach, it's THAT OBVIOUS.
Robin vs Laffitte: Robin is the Straw Hat most associated with criminality. She's been wanted worldwide since she was 8, and her major arc was about the government arresting her and trying to transfer her to Impel Down. All of Robin's suffering comes from abuse of authority; Laffitte was fired for using his position as sheriff to abuse prisoners. Laffitte is known as the Demon Sherriff, Robin the Devil Child.
Chopper and Tama and Gifters vs Doc Q and Stronger: Animal Tamer + Emergency Food Supply vs Evil Doctor and Flying Horse (Chopper is based off the flying reindeer Rudolph). Chopper needs to fight Doc Q, and Tama is most viable against an animal combatant: however, Stronger can fly, making it hard for her to turn him. Likewise, Tama's animals will have a hard time with a flying horse dropping plagues, and Chopper will have to heal Tama's Animal Companions during the fight. If anyone ever wanted to see Genderbent Gifters, god bless, this is your fight. Finally, Tama is the perfect size to ride on Chopper in many of his forms.
Jinbe vs Sanjuan Wolf: The Helmsman vs the Battleship. Sanjuan Wolf fights in water, despite his Fruit, and Jinbe excels in water. Jinbe shines against large fighters like Linlin, and suffers against speed (Gunko). Interesting match up.
Vivi and Karoo vs Pizzaro and Caribou: Going a bit out of order, we have a Pure-hearted Princess vs the Corrupt King. Caribou is a natural counter to Karoo on some levels, but, Karoo can run on water; can he run on Swamp? Caribou also likes kidnapping princesses, whereas Vivi and Shirahoshi are close friends, now, with Shirahoshi being the Princess Caribou targeted. Finally, Koby, who met Vivi on the way to the Reverie, fought Pizarro, and is honest to a fault like Vivi. Also, the name is right there: Karoo. Caribou.
Jewelry Bonney vs Vasco Shot: Women abuser vs child who family was destroyed by abuse against women. Bonney got "scales" from the Celestial Dragons, Vasco breathes fire like one. Heavy Eater vs Heavy Drinker.
Brook vs Apoo: The Battle of the Bands and Bones we were denied in Wano Act 3, Oda is saving Brook vs Apoo for when Apoo betrays Wano and helps Teach enter the country. This fight NEEDS to happen. Can Apoo's sound attacks works on a skeleton-man with no eardrums? WE'LL FIND OUT
Momonosuke vs Catarina Oden Devon: You thought one Oden clone was enough? Kanju-Ruh Roh, Raggy. Momo's desire is to surpass his father. IMO, Catarina's Awakening will let her turn into anyone she touches or looks at: allowing her to become Oden, and allowing Momo to surpass his father's legacy in direct combat.
Lilith vs York: Honestly the fight that interests me the most. York and Lilith HATE EACH OTHER now, and I'm kinda guessing, based on their personalities, there was always some bad blood there. York broke the Twice Rule, never kill your clones. This would be more brain than brawn, and possibly involve Seraphim usage, which would be interesting.
...
Well, that was larger than I expected it to be (wish women would tell me that).
Probably the last Blackbeard vs Straw Hats post I make before Pluton is dealt with.
God I can't wait to see Sengoku's dumb face when he finds out Buggy and Teach, the Sons of Rocks, teamed up. I got beef with everyone involved in Ace's execution, still, I need the Buddha to get slapped. Black Cross Guild is gonna go so hard.
Buggy and Teach, nature's best frens
Are the Straw Hats dangerous? Of course. Are they on the Blackbeard Pirates/Red Haired Pirates level? No, Luffy had to have a Marine Admiral save him from Saturn.
Teach is competing with Shanks right now, the dude who can one shot Luffy/Law/Kidd (Luffy is weak to slashing attacks and isn't near Shank's ridiculous fuck-you Haki. Luffy and Law both get what Kidd got if Shanks fights them at 100%). Teach knows he can't beat Shanks; that's why he ran at Marineford, and hasn't gone to Wano, yet.
Who is known as Shank's equal? Mihawk. What does Croc, Hawk's ally want? Pluton. What does Teach want? Laugh Tale.
This is important: Mihawk and Croc DO NOT want to become King of the Pirates, just BUGGY (there's a reason Buggy is the Yonkou, not these small-timers).
Through Caribou's info, Teach can offer Crocodile the Pluton he always wanted, and Mihawk an entire army of Samurai/a defensible military fortress in Wano. Wano is everything Cross Guild wants: Croc wants Pluton, Mihawk wants swordsmen to fight so he's not bored. Mihawk got so bored he started teaching random wild war monkeys he found of his island (Humandrills) swordplay. THAT IS HIGH LEVEL BOREDOM.
Cross Guild allying with Teach sets up Blackbeard vs Luffy better, because it gives us more to work with. Cross Guild allying with Teach slots Zoro into Mihawk for his Blackbeard fight, gives Shanks a reason to fight Mihawk again, gives us multiple enemies near Loki's level to justify Loki and Yamato joining, and puts Teach nears Rocks' level in terms of crew strength.
Pre-Fruit Burgess challenged Pre-Fruit Sabo in Dressrosa, and Shiryu is on Magellan's level. Ivankov, 2nd Rev Commander, lost to Magellan handily, and Crocodile/Jinbe, two Shichibukai working together, both wanted nothing to do with fighting Shiryu.
If Cross Guild joins Teach, the Black Cross Guild looks like this:
Black Cross Guild:
Admirals: Blackbeard/Buggy
20 Titanic Captains: 1. Mihawk, 2. Kuzan, 3. Shiryu, 4. Crocodile, 5. Burgess, 6. Van Augur, 7. Laffitte, 8. Doc Q, 9. Stronger, 10. Sanjuan Wolf, 11. Pizarro, 12. Vasco Shot, 13. Catarina Devon, 14. Apoo, 15. Caribou, 16. York, (everyone past here is not fighting a Straw Hat) 17. Galdino, 18. Alvida, 19. Cabaji, 20. Mohji (I think Apoo is a spy for Teach who will help sneak him into Wano via the secret Mogura Port with the Gondola Apoo used to bring the Numbers to the Golden Kagura for the Raid, and Caribou will get a spot over telling Teach about Pluton/Poseidon).
Who in the fuck is fucking with that crew? WHO?
So, here's where I'm at: I believe the Blackbeard fights will be very thematic, and they will happen on Laugh Tale. The Straw Hats will clash with the Blackbeard Pirates in Wano for Pluton, and lose to them. Then, they might fight here and there again, but, the final battle is on Laugh Tale.
Straw Hat Line-Up:
Admirals: Luffy and Loki. Luffy runs the Straw Hats, Loki runs the Grand Fleet (Hajrudin is gonna love this). This lets Loki join without really joining (Law 2.0), and gives us someone to run the Grand Fleet.
20 Straw Hat Officers: 1. Zoro, 2. Nami, 3. Usopp, 4. Sanji, 5. Chopper, 6. Vivi, 7. Karoo, 8. Robin, 9. Franky, 10. Brook, 11. Jinbe, 12. Tama, 13. Momo, 14. Yamato, 15. Bonney ,16. Lilith
Luffy vs Teach: Obvious.
Zoro vs Mihawk: Obvious. Zoro and Mihawk need to fight before Imu is taken care of, IMO. Laugh Tale is the best place for them to fight narratively, because the stakes are the highest, the One Piece. Imu's hax allows Mihawk to be the Strongest Swordsmen Zoro faces, since V. Nusjuro's devil hax from Imu will still make Gandhi a stronger fighter overall.
Loki vs Kuzan: Man trapped in ice vs man who traps in ice. Loki is Violent Giant who seeks to destroy the World/World Government (Loki wants what Rocks wanted, to erase the WG and replace them with another rule). Kuzan was friends with a friendly Giant (Saul) who he trapped in ice, in order to stop the Final War/Ragnarok, which Loki desires, by keeping the Ancient History/One Piece hidden. Kuzan almost beat Akainu (I actually think Kuzan won, BTW), he needs a serious threat to defeat him.
Yamato vs Shiryu: Bloodthirsty, disloyal jailer swordsman who fled Wano, vs kind, loyal Samurai who was jailed in Wano (Shiryu is from Wano, IMO; I think a lot of people were like Oden and wanted to leave/left, but Oden SUUUUCKED at sailing)
Sanji vs Crocodile: Mr. Prince vs King of the Crocs. Lot of bad blood been brewing here for a while. Sanji is royalty; Crocodile hates royalty. Sanji feeds people/Croc starves them. Sanji is the reason Croc didn't kill the Straw Hats in Rain Base. Croc abused Vivi/Robin. Sanji comes from a military state that worships military power; Croc wants to make one, Utopia.
Franky vs Burgess: Burgess is a wrestling themed fighter, and Franky is also along those lines. Franky's the only person with the durability to take Burgess's hits at this point who's not Sanji. I do think we'll see Vasco and Franky clash, though, because Drunk Franky would be really, really funny. Both Burgess and Franky are very loud/brash, but are actually calculating under their exterior. Furthermore, out of any Blackbeard Pirate, Burgess's design language is similar to Franky's: they both have the small legs, medium waist, large abs, and then FUCKING GIGANTIC SHOULDERS archetype.
Usopp vs Van Augur: Somehow more obvious than Luffy vs Teach, it's THAT OBVIOUS.
Robin vs Laffitte: Robin is the Straw Hat most associated with criminality. She's been wanted worldwide since she was 8, and her major arc was about the government arresting her and trying to transfer her to Impel Down. All of Robin's suffering comes from abuse of authority; Laffitte was fired for using his position as sheriff to abuse prisoners. Laffitte is known as the Demon Sherriff, Robin the Devil Child.
Chopper and Tama and Gifters vs Doc Q and Stronger: Animal Tamer + Emergency Food Supply vs Evil Doctor and Flying Horse (Chopper is based off the flying reindeer Rudolph). Chopper needs to fight Doc Q, and Tama is most viable against an animal combatant: however, Stronger can fly, making it hard for her to turn him. Likewise, Tama's animals will have a hard time with a flying horse dropping plagues, and Chopper will have to heal Tama's Animal Companions during the fight. If anyone ever wanted to see Genderbent Gifters, god bless, this is your fight. Finally, Tama is the perfect size to ride on Chopper in many of his forms.
Jinbe vs Sanjuan Wolf: The Helmsman vs the Battleship. Sanjuan Wolf fights in water, despite his Fruit, and Jinbe excels in water. Jinbe shines against large fighters like Linlin, and suffers against speed (Gunko). Interesting match up.
Vivi and Karoo vs Pizzaro and Caribou: Going a bit out of order, we have a Pure-hearted Princess vs the Corrupt King. Caribou is a natural counter to Karoo on some levels, but, Karoo can run on water; can he run on Swamp? Caribou also likes kidnapping princesses, whereas Vivi and Shirahoshi are close friends, now, with Shirahoshi being the Princess Caribou targeted. Finally, Koby, who met Vivi on the way to the Reverie, fought Pizarro, and is honest to a fault like Vivi. Also, the name is right there: Karoo. Caribou.
Jewelry Bonney vs Vasco Shot: Women abuser vs child who family was destroyed by abuse against women. Bonney got "scales" from the Celestial Dragons, Vasco breathes fire like one. Heavy Eater vs Heavy Drinker.
Brook vs Apoo: The Battle of the Bands and Bones we were denied in Wano Act 3, Oda is saving Brook vs Apoo for when Apoo betrays Wano and helps Teach enter the country. This fight NEEDS to happen. Can Apoo's sound attacks works on a skeleton-man with no eardrums? WE'LL FIND OUT
Momonosuke vs Catarina Oden Devon: You thought one Oden clone was enough? Kanju-Ruh Roh, Raggy. Momo's desire is to surpass his father. IMO, Catarina's Awakening will let her turn into anyone she touches or looks at: allowing her to become Oden, and allowing Momo to surpass his father's legacy in direct combat.
Lilith vs York: Honestly the fight that interests me the most. York and Lilith HATE EACH OTHER now, and I'm kinda guessing, based on their personalities, there was always some bad blood there. York broke the Twice Rule, never kill your clones. This would be more brain than brawn, and possibly involve Seraphim usage, which would be interesting.
...
Well, that was larger than I expected it to be (wish women would tell me that).
Probably the last Blackbeard vs Straw Hats post I make before Pluton is dealt with.
God I can't wait to see Sengoku's dumb face when he finds out Buggy and Teach, the Sons of Rocks, teamed up. I got beef with everyone involved in Ace's execution, still, I need the Buddha to get slapped. Black Cross Guild is gonna go so hard.
Buggy and Teach, nature's best frens
True... but people had been saying for years that Elbaf would be a major Usopp arc and look how that turned out. I still think Usopp will fight Augur, but with how poorly Oda has been handling Usopp since the timeskip, I don't have much hope for it to be good. In fact, I expect Augur might actually end up fighting someone else, and Usopp, after he's done hiding, delivers the final blow from really far away, impressing Augur who then says "That shot?! Impossible! How did he...?" before he gets charred by some exploding goofy plant monster.
Obvious.
Laugh Tale or right before Laugh Tale is the best place to fight, but I feel it should be Mihawk and Zoro without any ties to Blackbeard or Cross Guild. Just something both agree on formally in a proper duel on an isolated island that kind of calls back to their fight on the Baratie... unless of course Mihawk is killed before then by a far greater swordsman who Zoro has to challenge for both title and Mihawk's honor.
I still lean on Loki for Sanjuan Wolf or Pizarro due to sizes being more fitting and Kuzan for Sanji. Robin vs Kuzan would be cool and very emotional, but Robin's powers really aren't suited at all for fighting him, unless Oda retcons her devil fruit to be a mythical devil fruit, like an actual succubi or asura that can spew lava or something.
I still feel like Shiryu is a destined opponent for Zoro, with a proper battle with Mihawk coming at or near Laugh Tale. Plus, Shiyru is like Blackbeard's #2 based on that one cover page. So Oda is likely setting him up to be Zoro's opponent.
I really don't like this one personally since I just hate how Oda forced hype around someone like Croc, especially after introducing shit like haki. I mean, a fight between Sanji and Croc could yield some cool shit, like Sanji turning Croc into glass with his fire. But I'd rather see Sanji vs Kuzan because fire and ice makes for cool steam and Kuzan right now seems like the 3rd or 4th behind Blackbeard, Shiryu and maybe Lafitte or Burguess. If not Kuzan, a better opponent for Sanji still feels like Vasco or Burguess.
Burguess's face is also half-cyborg now, which hopefully means he has further enhancements we haven't seen yet. So cyborg vs cyborg is a good matchup.
Obvious af. I just hope Oda doesn't fuck it up.
I still think his potential swordsmanship makes him a better opponent for Brook, and his navigator status and flight also makes him a more ideal opponent for Nami, since Nami w/Zeus is the only Straw Hat besides Sanji that can fly. We'll see how it goes.
This is actually pretty based, as long as Doc Q uses cooler diseases than just "you're a girl now".
It could work, but it would just feel too much like a repeat of Jinbei vs Wadatsumi. Which is why I personally hope for Jinbei vs Vasco or Burguess.
Replace Karoo with Carrot and Pizzaro with Caribou's crew and we got a deal. Since I still think Pizarro is Robin's ideal opponent.
I... really wouldn't let kids near someone like Vasco. The guy looks like the sort who offers kids free candy at the park. And like Diego said, Bonney's powers match up well with Devon's. I still think Vasco will either be a Jinbei, Franky or Sanji opponent.
Not to cast doubt, but do we have any hint Apoo really is a spy for Teach? If so, an Apoo vs Brook fight would be a banger.
So you're saying Momo joins as a crew member or an ally? If Wano's gone to hell, then it could happen. Devon's Saturn spider form could be an interesting match-up for his dragon form.
I personally think Oda's gonna force a crappy redemption arc on York, where she's all run down and starving because Mariejois is out of food and the other punks threw out all her spare parts. She's gonna beg for the punks to take her back and they'll just forgive her because Oda can't do a believable redemption anymore. Althought I wouldn't mind Lilith joining, but that would make Franky double useless if there's a greater and better genius onboard.
Overall, Buggy may be weak, but I doubt he'd let any of these alliance take off lying down and without a fight...
or an exorbitant amount of luck.
Obvious.
Laugh Tale or right before Laugh Tale is the best place to fight, but I feel it should be Mihawk and Zoro without any ties to Blackbeard or Cross Guild. Just something both agree on formally in a proper duel on an isolated island that kind of calls back to their fight on the Baratie... unless of course Mihawk is killed before then by a far greater swordsman who Zoro has to challenge for both title and Mihawk's honor.
I still lean on Loki for Sanjuan Wolf or Pizarro due to sizes being more fitting and Kuzan for Sanji. Robin vs Kuzan would be cool and very emotional, but Robin's powers really aren't suited at all for fighting him, unless Oda retcons her devil fruit to be a mythical devil fruit, like an actual succubi or asura that can spew lava or something.
I still feel like Shiryu is a destined opponent for Zoro, with a proper battle with Mihawk coming at or near Laugh Tale. Plus, Shiyru is like Blackbeard's #2 based on that one cover page. So Oda is likely setting him up to be Zoro's opponent.
I really don't like this one personally since I just hate how Oda forced hype around someone like Croc, especially after introducing shit like haki. I mean, a fight between Sanji and Croc could yield some cool shit, like Sanji turning Croc into glass with his fire. But I'd rather see Sanji vs Kuzan because fire and ice makes for cool steam and Kuzan right now seems like the 3rd or 4th behind Blackbeard, Shiryu and maybe Lafitte or Burguess. If not Kuzan, a better opponent for Sanji still feels like Vasco or Burguess.
Burguess's face is also half-cyborg now, which hopefully means he has further enhancements we haven't seen yet. So cyborg vs cyborg is a good matchup.
Obvious af. I just hope Oda doesn't fuck it up.
I still think his potential swordsmanship makes him a better opponent for Brook, and his navigator status and flight also makes him a more ideal opponent for Nami, since Nami w/Zeus is the only Straw Hat besides Sanji that can fly. We'll see how it goes.
This is actually pretty based, as long as Doc Q uses cooler diseases than just "you're a girl now".
It could work, but it would just feel too much like a repeat of Jinbei vs Wadatsumi. Which is why I personally hope for Jinbei vs Vasco or Burguess.
Replace Karoo with Carrot and Pizzaro with Caribou's crew and we got a deal. Since I still think Pizarro is Robin's ideal opponent.
I... really wouldn't let kids near someone like Vasco. The guy looks like the sort who offers kids free candy at the park. And like Diego said, Bonney's powers match up well with Devon's. I still think Vasco will either be a Jinbei, Franky or Sanji opponent.
Not to cast doubt, but do we have any hint Apoo really is a spy for Teach? If so, an Apoo vs Brook fight would be a banger.
So you're saying Momo joins as a crew member or an ally? If Wano's gone to hell, then it could happen. Devon's Saturn spider form could be an interesting match-up for his dragon form.
I personally think Oda's gonna force a crappy redemption arc on York, where she's all run down and starving because Mariejois is out of food and the other punks threw out all her spare parts. She's gonna beg for the punks to take her back and they'll just forgive her because Oda can't do a believable redemption anymore. Althought I wouldn't mind Lilith joining, but that would make Franky double useless if there's a greater and better genius onboard.
Overall, Buggy may be weak, but I doubt he'd let any of these alliance take off lying down and without a fight...
or an exorbitant amount of luck.
Last edited:
True... but people had been saying for years that Elbaf would be a major Usopp arc and look how that turned out. I still think Usopp will fight Augur, but with how poorly Oda has been handling Usopp since the timeskip, I don't have much hope for it to be good. In fact, I expect Augur might actually end up fighting someone else, and Usopp, after he's done hiding, delivers the final blow from really far away, impressing Augur who then says "That shot?! Impossible! How did he...?" before he gets charred by some exploding goofy plant monster.
Obvious.
Laugh Tale or right before Laugh Tale is the best place to fight, but I feel it should be Mihawk and Zoro without any ties to Blackbeard or Cross Guild. Just something both agree on formally in a proper duel on an isolated island that kind of calls back to their fight on the Baratie... unless of course Mihawk is killed before then by a far greater swordsman who Zoro has to challenge for both title and Mihawk's honor.
I still lean on Loki for Sanjuan Wolf or Pizarro due to sizes being more fitting and Kuzan for Sanji. Robin vs Kuzan would be cool and very emotional, but Robin's powers really aren't suited at all for fighting him, unless Oda retcons her devil fruit to be a mythical devil fruit, like an actual succubi or asura that can spew lava or something.
I still feel like Shiryu is a destined opponent for Zoro, with a proper battle with Mihawk coming at or near Laugh Tale. Plus, Shiyru is like Blackbeard's #2 based on that one cover page. So Oda is likely setting him up to be Zoro's opponent.
I really don't like this one personally since I just hate how Oda forced hype around someone like Croc, especially after introducing shit like haki. I mean, a fight between Sanji and Croc could yield some cool shit, like Sanji turning Croc into glass with his fire. But I'd rather see Sanji vs Kuzan because fire and ice makes for cool steam and Kuzan right now seems like the 3rd or 4th behind Blackbeard, Shiryu and maybe Lafitte or Burguess. If not Kuzan, a better opponent for Sanji still feels like Vasco or Burguess.
Burguess's face is also half-cyborg now, which hopefully means he has further enhancements we haven't seen yet. So cyborg vs cyborg is a good matchup.
Obvious af. I just hope Oda doesn't fuck it up.
I still think his potential swordsmanship makes him a better opponent for Brook, and his navigator status and flight also makes him a more ideal opponent for Nami, since Nami w/Zeus is the only Straw Hat besides Sanji that can fly. We'll see how it goes.
This is actually pretty based, as long as Doc Q uses cooler diseases than just "you're a girl now".
It could work, but it would just feel too much like a repeat of Jinbei vs Wadatsumi. Which is why I personally hope for Jinbei vs Vasco or Burguess.
Replace Karoo with Carrot and Pizzaro with Caribou's crew and we got a deal. Since I still think Pizarro is Robin's ideal opponent.
I... really wouldn't let kids near someone like Vasco. The guy looks like the sort who offers kids free candy at the park. And like Diego said, Bonney's powers match up well with Devon's. I still think Vasco will either be a Jinbei, Franky or Sanji opponent.
Not to cast doubt, but do we have any hint Apoo really is a spy for Teach? If so, an Apoo vs Brook fight would be a banger.
So you're saying Momo joins as a crew member or an ally? If Wano's gone to hell, then it could happen. Devon's Saturn spider form could be an interesting match-up for his dragon form.
I personally think Oda's gonna force a crappy redemption arc on York, where she's all run down and starving because Mariejois is out of food and the other punks threw out all her spare parts. She's gonna beg for the punks to take her back and they'll just forgive her because Oda can't do a believable redemption anymore. Althought I wouldn't mind Lilith joining, but that would make Franky double useless if there's a greater and better genius onboard.
Overall, Buggy may be weak, but I doubt he'd let any of these alliance take off lying down and without a fight...
or an exorbitant amount of luck.
Obvious.
Laugh Tale or right before Laugh Tale is the best place to fight, but I feel it should be Mihawk and Zoro without any ties to Blackbeard or Cross Guild. Just something both agree on formally in a proper duel on an isolated island that kind of calls back to their fight on the Baratie... unless of course Mihawk is killed before then by a far greater swordsman who Zoro has to challenge for both title and Mihawk's honor.
I still lean on Loki for Sanjuan Wolf or Pizarro due to sizes being more fitting and Kuzan for Sanji. Robin vs Kuzan would be cool and very emotional, but Robin's powers really aren't suited at all for fighting him, unless Oda retcons her devil fruit to be a mythical devil fruit, like an actual succubi or asura that can spew lava or something.
I still feel like Shiryu is a destined opponent for Zoro, with a proper battle with Mihawk coming at or near Laugh Tale. Plus, Shiyru is like Blackbeard's #2 based on that one cover page. So Oda is likely setting him up to be Zoro's opponent.
I really don't like this one personally since I just hate how Oda forced hype around someone like Croc, especially after introducing shit like haki. I mean, a fight between Sanji and Croc could yield some cool shit, like Sanji turning Croc into glass with his fire. But I'd rather see Sanji vs Kuzan because fire and ice makes for cool steam and Kuzan right now seems like the 3rd or 4th behind Blackbeard, Shiryu and maybe Lafitte or Burguess. If not Kuzan, a better opponent for Sanji still feels like Vasco or Burguess.
Burguess's face is also half-cyborg now, which hopefully means he has further enhancements we haven't seen yet. So cyborg vs cyborg is a good matchup.
Obvious af. I just hope Oda doesn't fuck it up.
I still think his potential swordsmanship makes him a better opponent for Brook, and his navigator status and flight also makes him a more ideal opponent for Nami, since Nami w/Zeus is the only Straw Hat besides Sanji that can fly. We'll see how it goes.
This is actually pretty based, as long as Doc Q uses cooler diseases than just "you're a girl now".
It could work, but it would just feel too much like a repeat of Jinbei vs Wadatsumi. Which is why I personally hope for Jinbei vs Vasco or Burguess.
Replace Karoo with Carrot and Pizzaro with Caribou's crew and we got a deal. Since I still think Pizarro is Robin's ideal opponent.
I... really wouldn't let kids near someone like Vasco. The guy looks like the sort who offers kids free candy at the park. And like Diego said, Bonney's powers match up well with Devon's. I still think Vasco will either be a Jinbei, Franky or Sanji opponent.
Not to cast doubt, but do we have any hint Apoo really is a spy for Teach? If so, an Apoo vs Brook fight would be a banger.
So you're saying Momo joins as a crew member or an ally? If Wano's gone to hell, then it could happen. Devon's Saturn spider form could be an interesting match-up for his dragon form.
I personally think Oda's gonna force a crappy redemption arc on York, where she's all run down and starving because Mariejois is out of food and the other punks threw out all her spare parts. She's gonna beg for the punks to take her back and they'll just forgive her because Oda can't do a believable redemption anymore. Althought I wouldn't mind Lilith joining, but that would make Franky double useless if there's a greater and better genius onboard.
Overall, Buggy may be weak, but I doubt he'd let any of these alliance take off lying down and without a fight...
or an exorbitant amount of luck.
AND I ALSO FORGOT THAT THIS MEANS LOKI IS FIGHTING BUGGY, LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Actually, I think Buggy will defect and join Wano, because Buggy loves Oden/Momo/Hiyori.
I love a lot of your points, they made me rethink some match ups.
It actually is a horrible idea for Bonney to fight Vasco Shot... don't know what the fuck I was thinking. Bonney vs Sanjuan Wolf is better (I agree that Jinbe vs Wolf is too much like Wadatsumi) .
Carrot's going to fight Perospero: Perospero wants to be Captain of the Big Mom Pirates, and, after the Big Mom Pirates decide democratically to elect Katakuri, I think Perospero will get PISSED and join the Blackbeard Pirates.
This gives Carrot the revenge fight she wants.
I think Jinbe's going to fight Vasco, because it's hard match up with Vasco being able to use fire to weaken Jinbe and negate his water moves, and also use alcohol to soak a natural flame enhancer into Jinbe's skin.
I think Zoro vs Mihawk needs to happen. It's entirely possible that Zoro just fights Mihawk on Laugh Tale, with Mihawk having left the alliance.
The big issue with the Black Cross Guild Alliance is it will center on Cross Guild taking over Wano, while Teach goes to Laugh Tale. Once Teach gets the One Piece, the Alliance would split up to give Cross Guild Pluton/Wano, and Teach would take over the WG: this division of power would ensure the two didn't double cross each other because it would be suicidal.
There's a gigantic problem with this alliance, though, and it's that Caribou doesn't know Pluton destroys the borders when it's activated. Wano's allure IS it's function as a fortress: without it's borders, suddenly, people can just tunnel into the country. Suikyaki told ROBIN AND LAW that Pluton's Activation destroys the borders: Caribou never heard that shit, Robin didn't mention it when she brough Pluton up to the crew. The Blackbeard Pirates/Cross Guild will think that they can rule Wano, and use Pluton: in reality, they'll have to pick the fortress, or the Ancient Weapon.
If Mihawk finds out that Wano isn't the defensible territory he thinks it is, he's out. Croc will still be in, but, yeah.
Size doesn't matter in the Loki fight, look at Shamrock. It has to be someone who is very powerful.
Not sure about York... I think she will get redeemed in the end, but after losing.
It better happen soon before all the food in Mariejois runs out.
Also if Perospero does defect, I assume there may be a few among the Big Mom Pirates who may defect and join his side, since Perospero is like the third most popular big brother in the family behind Katakuri and Oven. That could introduce more opponents for the SH or for the Grand Fleet... if the latter becomes relevant again.
Also if Perospero does defect, I assume there may be a few among the Big Mom Pirates who may defect and join his side, since Perospero is like the third most popular big brother in the family behind Katakuri and Oven. That could introduce more opponents for the SH or for the Grand Fleet... if the latter becomes relevant again.
Carrot with the snow fruit that grows on the Sunny's tangerines 
Only to end up as a fucking turbine on the ship
Lili had the Paw Paw fruit and with that she spread the poneglyphs throughout the world, right?
This is the second opening of the anime that shows a connection with Vivi, her with the Kuma fruit would be a great addition especially since that power does not need haki
Only to end up as a fucking turbine on the ship
Post automatically merged:
Lili had the Paw Paw fruit and with that she spread the poneglyphs throughout the world, right?
This is the second opening of the anime that shows a connection with Vivi, her with the Kuma fruit would be a great addition especially since that power does not need haki
Last edited:
In due time the Vivi naysayers will eat their roasted crow, marinated in fine sauces, and choke on it. Vivi stans rise up!