Current Events Rocks is not a villain

My stance on this


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#45
I thought it was kind of lame that Oda made it so that the charity they were robbing was actually just corrupt, and he isn´t really showing them to be villainous on screen, but the implication does seem to be that they are evil. They are wiping towns off the map
That's what I thought about, too. Like it's a weird contrast to the evil we've seen elsewhere. Now Oda has to work it out so that Roger and Garp aren't the assholes.

I kind of agree, he’s just not pure evil. I already saw this coming ever since he was mentioned. No way that Whitebeard would follow some complete bastard. I always pictured Xebec as just charismatic and an agent of chaos.
It would make sense that Newgate mellowed while the others got worse. Anyway, joining a self sabotaging crew really goes against his character but Oda doesn't seem to be sure where they really are or if it's just a gag.
Recent developments only reinforced that Imu is nowhere close to final villain, imo.
If my FS is right, Imu isnt even the penultimate villain.
The problem of OP world is much, much older than Imu.
First God's like nah, our asses ain't meeting again
 

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#47
Nah, WB hasn’t killed an innocent life. Knowing Oda, he’d say that those towns either deserved it (like those scammers from last chapter) or nobody was killed. This is Mickey Mouse kind of evil.
What could be the *just* reason for entire town ie thousands of people lives to be wiped out?

Collective punishment is good?
 
#48
What could be the *just* reason for entire town ie thousands of people lives to be wiped out?

Collective punishment is good?
WB won’t be causing the deaths of thousands of lives though lmfao. That’s how he is written, if anybody asks Oda then he’ll give you a bullshit answer and say that WB hasn’t killed any people when he destroys shit. So really, you’re just seeing WB engage in widespread vandalism lol.

You’re seeing it in real time, Oda made them steal from a town of scammers lmfao. As far as we know, zero casualties too. Xebec himself doesn’t strike me as somebody who’d kill innocents, maybe just direct opposition like the marines. I’d call him a way watered down version of Genghis Khan. A rando government agent was painted to be the real scum even in the chapter where Oda is narrating the crimes of Rocks lol.
 

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#49
WB won’t be causing the deaths of thousands of lives though lmfao. That’s how he is written, if anybody asks Oda then he’ll give you a bullshit answer and say that WB hasn’t killed any people when he destroys shit. So really, you’re just seeing WB engage in widespread vandalism lol.

You’re seeing it in real time, Oda made them steal from a town of scammers lmfao. As far as we know, zero casualties too. Xebec himself doesn’t strike me as somebody who’d kill innocents, maybe just direct opposition like the marines. I’d call him a way watered down version of Genghis Khan. A rando government agent was painted to be the real scum even in the chapter where Oda is narrating the crimes of Rocks lol.
He flipped the island this chapter which made even Big Mom to struggle .

You don't think there's any collateral damage?
 
#51
I think we've seen enough now to make that statement:

Oda is NOT portraying Rocks and his crew of nutjobs as villains.

Heck, Oda actually portrays them as somewhat lovable rowdies: They are protecting and worshipping Shakky, they are going after corrupt organisations (the scumbag monastery), they're respecting guys like Garp and they genuinely seemed like chaotic, but cool and funny guys back then.

Oda does however, in stark contrast to the Rocks pirates, once again portrait the inner circle of the WG (Imu, Gorosei, CDs) as source of all evil.

This is precisely why - after seeing this flashback so far - I'm more convinced than ever that Imu is indeed going to be the final villain and not Blackbeard/Rocks.

What is your take on this after the recent developments?
I don't think generalising them is a good idea, each individual in rocks's crew has their own ambition and will be willing to sink low in order to attain them, from rapists like big mom to murderous yakuza like shiki and kyo.

Just because they can potentially do good deeds, in protecting shakky, it's still filled with selfish motives, they all want to use her and if they each one were in a situation where they could force themselves on shakky without consequence do you think they wouldn't impose themselves upon the "object" of their desires? because that is what shakky represents.

None of his removes their villainous qualities, in fact even though in this chapter they may be portrayed as "lovable rowdies", it still does not nullify the villains they will become or have already become in other peoples lives, from prominent characters to the small people whose lives they have undoubtedly affected with the choices they make.

The other thing you do is generalise Rock's views as the rocks pirates views "they're respecting guys like garp" No, rock's opinion or respect does not extend to anyone else automatically.

They're doing whatever rocks tells them to, because they feel like they are in the position where they have no choice as of yet due to losing in a davy back fight. This does not mean they all have the same intentions and motives "going after corrupt organisations".

You can do one good thing to hide 1000 bad things you're doing or have already done. These are the kinds of people the crew is made out of.
 
#52
I think we've seen enough now to make that statement:

Oda is NOT portraying Rocks and his crew of nutjobs as villains.

Heck, Oda actually portrays them as somewhat lovable rowdies: They are protecting and worshipping Shakky, they are going after corrupt organisations (the scumbag monastery), they're respecting guys like Garp and they genuinely seemed like chaotic, but cool and funny guys back then.

Oda does however, in stark contrast to the Rocks pirates, once again portrait the inner circle of the WG (Imu, Gorosei, CDs) as source of all evil.

This is precisely why - after seeing this flashback so far - I'm more convinced than ever that Imu is indeed going to be the final villain and not Blackbeard/Rocks.

What is your take on this after the recent developments?
i cant agree w the votes. i agree rocks is not being portrayed as a true "villain" but i think blackbeard still is. he's going to end up NOT inheriting rocks' will, just his goals
 
#55
Its possible. Like its possibile that we get a New Generation Rocks crew,maybe with Luffy and Blackbeard and other big pirates like Kidd,Law,Loki,Urouge and Buggy all together in one crew to defeat Marejois
 
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