Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Doggo]

CoC is trash.
But mocking the sanji haters who spent years spamming the "give up your dream" panel and created 10 billion headcanons about CoC users' personalities is much more fun.
A small price for the absolute clownfiesta.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I mean to be fair that exist to some degree in almost every shonen known to man

Obviously all series aren't equally unfair but it's always a thing

Dunno if I can think of a single popular shonen or really series with powers period where there isn't a gap that exist between people from birth/awakening of their abilities

Whether that's the amount of a certain energy you have, or a unique type that's exclusive to you, or anything

It's almost always a thing

I have no problem with talent being a thing. But for this to be a downright necessity to combat opponents is my biggest issue.

You’re basically saying “yeah you literally won’t be of help without this super rare power. Not even for fodder cleaning”.

 

[Hiragaro]

Cook.

 

[Rumble]

The biggest issues I have with Haki are that it takes up too much real estate and thereby undermines Devil Fruits and potential for interesting battles around creating solutions, the advanced forms are very poorly thought out and poorly implemented, and the general lack of consistency in the use or explanations of Haki abilities add more issues than they solve.

 

[Welkin]

I have no problem with talent being a thing. But for this to be a downright necessity to combat opponents is my biggest issue.

You’re basically saying “yeah you literally won’t be of help without this super rare power. Not even for fodder cleaning”.

Only in this very rare instance that 99.9% of characters will never come across

The Holy Knights and Imu having regeneration is a narrative issue because it limits the usefulness of non CoC users in the final saga

But for the world of One Piece at large?

Great CoA/CoO is enough for you to be a top tier level combatant. In conjunction with a strong devil fruit you don't need ACoC

I will agree that the concept of ACoC is lame though. Could've been almost anything else and it would've been better

 

[Doggo]

I have no problem with talent being a thing. But for this to be a downright necessity to combat opponents is my biggest issue.

You’re basically saying “yeah you literally won’t be of help without this super rare power. Not even for fodder cleaning”.

Brother, a LOT of cultures have this "destiny", or "genetic talent" theme going on.
It is what it is.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Only in this very rare instance that 99.9% of characters will never come across

The Holy Knights and Imu having regeneration is a narrative issue because it limits the usefulness of non CoC users in the final saga

But for the world of One Piece at large?

Great CoA/CoO is enough for you to be a top tier level combatant. In conjunction with a strong devil fruit you don't need ACoC

I will agree that the concept of ACoC is lame though. Could've been almost anything else and it would've been better

The problem is unless oda gives the entire SH Crew CoC it feels like odas saying “hey don’t expect franky or robin to fight anyone”

 

[Rumble]

I just don’t know why Oda had to set up CoC Infusion as something that basically makes advanced Armament obsolete.

 

[Doggo]

I just don’t know why Oda had to set up CoC Infusion as something that basically makes advanced Armament obsolete.

It doesn't.
ACoC is just a power boost.
All the barrier/logia touching, etc effects come from CoA.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Brother, a LOT of cultures have this "destiny", or "genetic talent" theme going on.
It is what it is.

I’m good with destiny and talent. It’s more the feeling of uselessness towards all straw hats who won’t have this ability

 

[Welkin]

The problem is unless oda gives the entire SH Crew CoC it feels like odas saying “hey don’t expect franky or robin to fight anyone”

True this is what I agree with

It’s a huge narrative problem going into the final arc given that a chunk of relevant opponents will have regen

I see Oda going 1 of 3 directions with it

1. Joyboy’s haki rope aka CoC infusion so people with CoC will grant those without it part of their haki so they can fight

2. The Strawhats without CoC just won’t fight the Holy Knights and they'll have different opponents

3. There’s a counter to regeneration that’s widely available that we don’t know

It’s probably gonna be 2 honestly

 

[Hedfi]

At this stage of the story it's pretty clear that CoC is related to your liniage. If you're not the descendent of someone who became something, attaining fame, riches or power, in the past then forget about getting CoC. Inherited will and that type of shit.

Anyway, on another topic, Sanji IJ will ebolve into a combination of black lightning and pink flame, or vice versa, after he unlocks CoC. The black color is his cold and destructive warmongering vinsmoke science power, while pink is his protective and passionate, Sora related, PoL.

 

[Doggo]

I’m good with destiny and talent. It’s more the feeling of uselessness towards all straw hats who won’t have this ability

Brother, no SH, aside Luffy, is ever gonna have the spotlight to fight the main enemy of the arc. So it "works" here because you dont have to expect the other SHs to fight anyone else but some goons. It doesn't matter.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Brother, no SH, aside Luffy, is ever gonna have the spotlight to fight the main enemy of the arc. So it "works" here because you dont have to expect the other SHs to fight anyone else but some goons. It doesn't matter.

It’s more the “subordinates” also have this in regards to the HKs.

 

[Doggo]

It’s more the “subordinates” also have this in regards to the HKs.

Then the SHs wont be the ones to take down all the HKs. There will be more people involved.
And, so far, we only have 3 here.

 

[Raiden7]

I thought this issue was gone After wci/wano

Yes and ... no, probably. Sanji thinks he is safe now, but what if continuing using Exoskeleton will really transform Sanji into his Germa/evil side? The issue is gone, but only temporarly.

And what better moment for Sanji to succumb to his evil side when he himself thinks the problem is now gone.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I thought this issue was gone After wci/wano

Nah Sanji still has a bad habit of putting others before himself. Even when he was breaking the suit he did it because he believed that would be what Luffy wanted too.

Sanji has yet to get over that habit of biting his own spear for others

 

[Awakening_coming]

Oda's fumbling and failure to correct on Haki earlier on in the series is a massive problem.

It took 947 chapters until we got an explanation of Armament Haki in detail. That's fucking absurd.

All the Strawhats except save 1 or 2 should've had at least one form of Haki after the skip, and developed from there.

Sanjis training with Ivankov, for example, didnt show anything haki related so far. There was a huge gap between teachers among the SHs

Shut up already!

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Just because CoC is badly written, doesn’t mean Sanji shouldn’t get it now. CoA is badly written too - so Sanji should not have it aswell? You guys are fools!

Cook. We been on this road for years.
Elbaf feels like Oda is making it very clear that Sanji is a conq: 1) Gaban; 2) the old top tiers simping (killing an old agenda that only serious guys had CoC); 3) Sanjis interaction with Gaban ending with no answer; 4) him and Zoro going to deal with the immortal problem; 5) Elbafs weakness is fire and thunder (may mean something later on);

Oda is cooking. Wano had the whole supernovas shit, Elbaf is a SH centered arc (as they'll be from now on) so I'm expecting a lot from him now on. The Kizaru thing was just the beginning

 

[Reborn]

The biggest issues I have with Haki are that it takes up too much real estate and thereby undermines Devil Fruits and potential for interesting battles around creating solutions, the advanced forms are very poorly thought out and poorly implemented, and the general lack of consistency in the use or explanations of Haki abilities add more issues than they solve.

I feel oda is deliberately keeping haki confusing.

I totally can understand why he needed another power system like haki

1) to emphasize will power and inheritance of will

2) dfs though could have given us much more interesting fights but involves lot of creative challenges in thinking about their usage. Not to mention, drawing them would be pain in ass as well.

3) haki gives way to be powerful to those who can't or don't want to eat dfs - like shanks.

This is important as many in Op world do consider eating DF is bad as it comes with a curse of being a hammer in the world of seas.

So, I do feel oda really hit the nail with haki concept...easy to draw and manifest as ideas


However, the execution is pathetic.

People really don't look for deeper explanations as long as power level remains consistent and well - delineated.


But with haki - its just confusing.

Sometimes character uses CoO, sometimes doesn't.

Too much brain storming regarding what's advanced and what's not.

DBZ just through hair style change gave us clear delineation.

Even a simple change in haki color to show variations would have done the trick yet somehow oda keeps it entirely confusing.... I definitely believe he's aware of this but if he still keeps it like this then it's a deliberate choice

 

[Juanpiz]

I feel oda deliberately is keeping haki confusing.

I totally can understand why he needed another power system like haki

1) to emphasize will power and inheritance of will

2) dfs though could have given us much more interesting fights but involves lot of creative challenges in thinking about their usage. Not to mention, drawing them would be pain in ass as well.

3) haki gives way to be powerful to those who can't or don't want to eat dfs - like shanks.

This is important as many in Op world do consider eating DF is bad as it comes with a curse of being a hammer in the world of seas.

So, I do feel oda really hit the nail with haki concept.


However, the execution is pathetic.

People really don't look for deeper explanations as long as power level remains consistent and well - delineated.


But with haki - its just confusing.

Sometimes character uses CoO, sometimes doesn't.

Too much brain storming regarding what's advanced and what's not.

DBZ just through hair style change gave us clear delineation.

Even a simple change in haki color to show variations would have done the trick yet somehow oda keeps it entirely confusing.... I definitely believe he's aware of this but if he still keeps it like this then it's deliberate choice

Oda is Playing 4d chess