Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1159 Spoilers Discussion

[MonochromeYoru]

That's what I assumed for a while too but isn't it more akin to Zoro's "En Ou" with a Hell theme?

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Meiou is an epithet for the king of the underworld. Hades. Which is basically King of hell too.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He better have a plan for Imu, otherwise he'll get clapped soon.

He'll be fine, he's not past his natural limit yet. He's in his 70s it seems
So if Imu removed his immortality he won't immediately turn to ash like Saturn

 

[Malick the last Light]

Garling confirmed worse than Charlos via this. At least Charlos when he got bored of his wives let them return to the blue sea.

Meanwhile Garling is out here killing the mother of his twin sons on the CHANCE of getting with the woman who crashed the world economy aka Shakky.

 

[Ven437]

So? Doffy is a pirate but still values his crew

Lmfao of all examples you could use you chose doffy? This man who treats his subordinates like puppets?

 

[Paperchampion23]

Touche, bad argument then. I missed this dialogue.

I guess we'll see what happens

 

[ZenZu]

This Valley Ultimate Cocker DARK KING Silvers Rayleigh will show why he is called The Dark King and is far more famous than Yonkou and Admirals.

Wingsuss cucks

Rayleigh is simply built different, if he fights Garling, expect Garling to get hype tooled not the other way around. You would have to have single digit IQ to bet against Rayleigh. Oda does nothing but glaze this character every chance he gets.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

So Garling is a simp too, Shakky aged like milk.

You meant Gloriosa.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Lmfao of all examples you could use you chose doffy? This man who treats his subordinates like puppets?

"I'm sorry partner. I know you've been with me the longest." - to Vergo, who mind you has never smiled in the manga besides that scene
He also says that the fodders of his crew shouldn't mock the officers as their his only real living family now and he treasures them

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

Marines escorting slave ships is so, so, so bad. Where is the moral greyness of the marines Oda? Even grunts have no excuse.

Akainu's reaction to Vegafraud's speech didn't help either:

But this can still go more than 1 way depending, as in Akainu with all his relentless dogma and thus obvious brainwashing, like a "good dog" is oblivious to who really rules the world, true history etc but he heard Vegapunk's speech too and I do feel he knows more than he lets on especially since he's Fleet Admiral now, has spoken to the Gorosei face to face and shit talked them too and so on. Oda won't give us anything on Akainu vs Kuzan, some people think Oda showed Imu in Kuzan's sunglasses at Punk Hazard which I seriously doubt is actually true/deliberate on Oda's part too.

There was corruption shown in the Marines from Morgan in the beginning to Nezumi but also them willing to partake in Buster Calls and do anything Celestial Dragons demand them to do. The moral greyness feels more like an small exception rather than a more widespread standard in the Marines sadly.

Them also hunting down and killing countless infants and pregnant mothers says it all too. Very 10th Plague in Egypt too. Genocide of the first borns by "God".

 

[Buusatan94]

Really makes all this justice shit preached by garp sengoku even koby really pointless

Protect the privileged enslave the poor and minority. And garp has the nerve to not understand why his son became a revolutionary

Oda really is crazy if he wants to portray Garp and Sengoku as characters we are supposed to respect and sympathize with.

 

[park_min young]

It's because people dislike government corruption more then anything, and I agree that the random hunting games are retarded nonsense, but complaining that marines protecting the slave trade makes zero sense IMO. Or else you would consider OP not morally grey at all(which it isn't) when Arlong was destroying villages for not paying taxes, and killing Nami's Mom for not having enough money

They’re about to kill anybody who tries to escape lol, Dragon was the only one questioning anything. Majority of the marines are evil NPCs used by the evil Government.

 

[D. Plant]

Hes too confident
but Imu is cunning and order garling to research about his clan hence the god valley incident

World Government have people all over the world, it's also reckless, impulsive, basically doesn't have reverse mode.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

I vividly remember how many people were shittalking Xebec to be simping over Shakky and marching to God Valley for her.
No, it was fucking Roger and Xebec legit just wanted to keep his family safe.

Anyone who doubted Xebec, I need them to strip down and get on their knees to Dogeza for jumping the gun again.

This makes Xebec above Rayleigh, in this GV incident I got
1 Rocks
2 Rayleigh
3 Big Mom
4 Garp scumass and Roger bumass
5 Garling bitchass
6 Kuma
7 Ivankov
8 Ginny
9 Dragon
10 Blackbeard

 

[ZippySpace]

Marines are cults
celestials are their cult founders
cult followers wont question their spiritual leaders

dragon is a heretic

This is why I firmly believe Garp is a CD worshipper behind all that bluster. He's been in the game for too long.

Dragon is clearly the product of an affair between a high-ranking marine and CD woman.

 

[DarkWitch]

So Garling and Sommers both aged despite having immortality like the others.

But Gunko on the other hand has never aged just like the Elders.

So I guess Gunko for some reason is special when it comes to the God's Knights.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

How is it ridiculous for the authorities to defend slavery, when that's what happened for most of human history, and still happens in parts of the world today?

That's still horrible and makes it hypocritical for the navy to pretend they're angels and pirates are demons

 

[Franosuke]

Is it me or did Erkek run away after Rocks' swordsmanship dropped

 

[Peppercat]

I am gonna have to see what kind of fuckery is about to happen.
Roger wants to save Shakky but he sides with the slavers who do this her?
Unless its God Valley that made Garp hate CDs so much and why he refused to be an Admiral as he would under them.

 

[soupongo]

They’re about to kill anybody who tries to escape lol, Dragon was the only one questioning anything. Majority of the marines are evil NPCs used by the evil Government.

I don't disagree, but I just don't get how escorting slave ships is somehow something crazy beyond the pale(of the story), when we have characters enslaving villages in the first arc/saga, and have done that basically the entire manga.

I mean, did people consider it morally grey for Wapol to go around killing all the doctors for no real reason?

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

Oda really is crazy if he wants to portray Garp and Sengoku as characters we are supposed to respect and sympathize with.

Makes me think of Japan IRL NGL, Same with Oda's writing of Wano and doubling down on their fascistic/genocidal ways. Not to turn this into IRL politics discussion but the influences are obvious too for his writing.

Shit like this happened in IRL history too ofc. A lot of scum get portrayed as the "heroes", the "righteous", the "victors" and thus even "the sympathetic/victims" and "justified self defense" and so on.

Garp and Sengoku are completley aware and proud of what they're doing, Sengoku made that clear at Marineford too. All the Marines are complicit to some degree at least, whether they voluntarily signed up or were forcibly conscripted.

This is why I firmly believe Garp is a CD worshipper behind all that bluster. He's been in the game for too long.

I'm really starting to think that too. I saw a joke earlier he named Dragon after his love of Celestial Dragons lmao, either on here or on Reddit .