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I think the problem with him at hand transcends trivial semantics with all due respect
Whether or not you think crimes against humanity, devoid of innocence and stand as apex of inhumanity and evil should be labeled to individuals and later known for it forever.. should be restricted in time, which undermines his actions altogether, I believe that isn't your intention, but it is redundant.
Whether or not you think crimes against humanity, devoid of innocence and stand as apex of inhumanity and evil should be labeled to individuals and later known for it forever.. should be restricted in time, which undermines his actions altogether, I believe that isn't your intention, but it is redundant.
Bolsonoro is screwed btw ?
@NAMELESS and all of the brazilians in this forum -- do something ! Invade the prison and bring him to Chile ! NOW !!!!
Yes. But you'd notice that in your own words you said "constant racist jokes". And took specific examples.
My take was ironic in the sense that the joke is anti-racist and whatnot. Wether it's by being sly or so hardcore that it just cannot be true due to context or whatever.
I agree.
Even though I don't understand what materialism has to do with this.
But it could also be said that he was a racist but became nicer to get elected.
Because if we look at the current president which we know more than Chirac then...
Emmanuel Macron would have many cards but I'd need time to gather them all.
After being elected : https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/ar...de-racistes-par-la-gauche_6458667_823448.html
Before being elected when he was fooling people into thinking he was also kinda leftwing :
https://www.lemonde.fr/election-pre...-crime-contre-l-humanite_5080621_4854003.html
@NAMELESS and all of the brazilians in this forum -- do something ! Invade the prison and bring him to Chile ! NOW !!!!
Yes. But you'd notice that in your own words you said "constant racist jokes". And took specific examples.
My take was ironic in the sense that the joke is anti-racist and whatnot. Wether it's by being sly or so hardcore that it just cannot be true due to context or whatever.
I agree.
Even though I don't understand what materialism has to do with this.
But it could also be said that he was a racist but became nicer to get elected.
Because if we look at the current president which we know more than Chirac then...
Emmanuel Macron would have many cards but I'd need time to gather them all.
After being elected : https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/ar...de-racistes-par-la-gauche_6458667_823448.html
Before being elected when he was fooling people into thinking he was also kinda leftwing :
https://www.lemonde.fr/election-pre...-crime-contre-l-humanite_5080621_4854003.html
APRENDE, ESTRAGOS UNIDOS!
CONDENADO E VAI MORRER VOMITANDO FEZES.
CONDENADO E VAI MORRER VOMITANDO FEZES.
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Classless, clueless, and tasteless - the Republican mission statement
Classless, clueless, and tasteless - the Republican mission statement
It's not a restriction. His actions will always be attached to his character, just to his past, depending on his following action.
But at the moment, the probabilities for him to do enough good to create reparation for his own actions are close to none.
It's a lost cause with such crimes.
But like I said, this is not a debate that we can have when we talk under the current context of such horrible systems of dominations and crimes. It's reflexion for those who will never have to feel the weight of wars.
But at the moment, the probabilities for him to do enough good to create reparation for his own actions are close to none.
It's a lost cause with such crimes.
But like I said, this is not a debate that we can have when we talk under the current context of such horrible systems of dominations and crimes. It's reflexion for those who will never have to feel the weight of wars.
It's always funny to me to see the transition between the good and bad faith with liberals. It always has that je ne sais quoi of insults.
Even with the most cordial discussions
Hitler WAS a genocider. That's a fact. It's a set of action situated in time and space.
Now if you tell me that Hitler has always been a genocider, I won't agree. Simple enough
Funny, right ? How a simple change in the way with see an action can completely change our vision of society.
Indeed. I do not believe - in absolute - in the fact of charging someone for a crime. In term of logic, it doesn't make sense to me on the logic side.
BUT
This is a logic that does not have its place in the current world.
When I'm talking about logic here about the placement of action in time and space and the importance of not essentializing them to the entire existence of a person... I'm TAKING A SHORTCUT.
A shortcut that leads directly to an utopia. As only in an utopia will we be able to have this kind of discussion about logic.
In the current world, we can't. Simply because we must essentialize some stuff like "rapist" or "genocider" to point out problems, behaviors and domination systems. We must not go too far ahead, hence why I'm saying that I'm 300 year too early to have this debate. It's not a debate that I can have safely in this society, especially not in a place with so many oppressive behavior and mindset.
No.. INSTEAD we have to look at the other political side of the coin : Abolitionnism
Prison, are by essence, institution of systemic oppression. Now, this is a little bit advanced for this thread (meaning by that that I risk to see a lot of outrage here and I don't really want to deal with that) but basically, abolitionnist (because I'm also an abolitionnist) believe that prison do not help in any thing, and are actually the tool of the system to subjegate and exploit marginalized populations.
We know that most big criminal (murderer, rapist, active pedophiles, war criminal etc.) are not convicted, they are free most of the time and we also know that prison are overcrowed with crimes of lower standards. Crimes that are usually perpetuated by the material condition of existence of people (the black community in the US, for ex, is highly discriminated that way). Prison serves basically as a justice of class against the poor.
We believe in RESTORATIVE JUSTICE in the materialistic sense of the world. This is NOT rehabilitative justic and this is NOT centered around the rehabilitation of the person who commit the action, but the VICTIM who is subjected to the action.
Also we are not talking about the restorative justice that we know today. What we mean is a type of justice that really take the victims into consideration and the importance of allowing them to HEAL (and not necessarily have justice like so many here want) NOT the perpetuator.
It can only be done by stricking down all type of domination system as there will be no healing for the victims as long as men will be able to avoid the consequences of their actions or when rich people will be able to keep avoiding sentences. As long as there will be the possibility for people to access situation of power, some will abuse them.
Indeed. That's why I'm pointing out the notion of action in the dimension of time.
As long as the action is repeated in time, the label is perfectly normal. And even necessary.
For example, Netanyahou is STILL a genocider under that logic, and will only stop being one once he has no material way to continue. (although in our time, we will still call him a genocider long after the fact, and it's normal and even necessary as I explained in the previous reply just above this one)
Even with the most cordial discussions
Hitler WAS a genocider. That's a fact. It's a set of action situated in time and space.
Now if you tell me that Hitler has always been a genocider, I won't agree. Simple enough
Funny, right ? How a simple change in the way with see an action can completely change our vision of society.
Indeed. I do not believe - in absolute - in the fact of charging someone for a crime. In term of logic, it doesn't make sense to me on the logic side.
BUT
This is a logic that does not have its place in the current world.
When I'm talking about logic here about the placement of action in time and space and the importance of not essentializing them to the entire existence of a person... I'm TAKING A SHORTCUT.
A shortcut that leads directly to an utopia. As only in an utopia will we be able to have this kind of discussion about logic.
In the current world, we can't. Simply because we must essentialize some stuff like "rapist" or "genocider" to point out problems, behaviors and domination systems. We must not go too far ahead, hence why I'm saying that I'm 300 year too early to have this debate. It's not a debate that I can have safely in this society, especially not in a place with so many oppressive behavior and mindset.
No.. INSTEAD we have to look at the other political side of the coin : Abolitionnism
Prison, are by essence, institution of systemic oppression. Now, this is a little bit advanced for this thread (meaning by that that I risk to see a lot of outrage here and I don't really want to deal with that) but basically, abolitionnist (because I'm also an abolitionnist) believe that prison do not help in any thing, and are actually the tool of the system to subjegate and exploit marginalized populations.
We know that most big criminal (murderer, rapist, active pedophiles, war criminal etc.) are not convicted, they are free most of the time and we also know that prison are overcrowed with crimes of lower standards. Crimes that are usually perpetuated by the material condition of existence of people (the black community in the US, for ex, is highly discriminated that way). Prison serves basically as a justice of class against the poor.
We believe in RESTORATIVE JUSTICE in the materialistic sense of the world. This is NOT rehabilitative justic and this is NOT centered around the rehabilitation of the person who commit the action, but the VICTIM who is subjected to the action.
Also we are not talking about the restorative justice that we know today. What we mean is a type of justice that really take the victims into consideration and the importance of allowing them to HEAL (and not necessarily have justice like so many here want) NOT the perpetuator.
It can only be done by stricking down all type of domination system as there will be no healing for the victims as long as men will be able to avoid the consequences of their actions or when rich people will be able to keep avoiding sentences. As long as there will be the possibility for people to access situation of power, some will abuse them.
Indeed. That's why I'm pointing out the notion of action in the dimension of time.
As long as the action is repeated in time, the label is perfectly normal. And even necessary.
For example, Netanyahou is STILL a genocider under that logic, and will only stop being one once he has no material way to continue. (although in our time, we will still call him a genocider long after the fact, and it's normal and even necessary as I explained in the previous reply just above this one)
Thoughts (what we consistently thinks) ---> build emotions --- > results in Actions ----> shape our behaviour ----> reinforce Traits ----> gradually deepen in Subconscious mind ----> influence Thoughts again,
Thus our actions are the window to our sub-conscious mind and character.
It's a loop which feed itself.
Nameless is the most insecure person in this thread even when a sentiment is not directed at him, probably because he knows there’s more than a kernel of truth to every unkind thing someone says about him 
Nameless is the most insecure person in this thread even when a sentiment is not directed at him, probably because he knows there’s more than a kernel of truth to every unkind thing someone says about him
My heart is broken
