Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Bolsonoro is screwed btw ?
@NAMELESS and all of the brazilians in this forum -- do something ! Invade the prison and bring him to Chile ! NOW !!!!




Yes. But you'd notice that in your own words you said "constant racist jokes". And took specific examples.

My take was ironic in the sense that the joke is anti-racist and whatnot. Wether it's by being sly or so hardcore that it just cannot be true due to context or whatever.





I agree.

Even though I don't understand what materialism has to do with this.

But it could also be said that he was a racist but became nicer to get elected.


Because if we look at the current president which we know more than Chirac then...
Emmanuel Macron would have many cards but I'd need time to gather them all.
After being elected : https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/ar...de-racistes-par-la-gauche_6458667_823448.html
Before being elected when he was fooling people into thinking he was also kinda leftwing :
https://www.lemonde.fr/election-pre...-crime-contre-l-humanite_5080621_4854003.html

He will probably die in jail. Big mistake. He still has a bunch of kids that are politicians and popular. His sons will take on his legacy. Brazil has a very bleak future ahead. One of these judges shouldn't even be part of this trial due to being tied to Lula. Just another witch hunt. Bolsonaro will very likely die from medical neglect in jail.

APRENDE, ESTRAGOS UNIDOS!
CONDENADO E VAI MORRER VOMITANDO FEZES.

Não esperava nada menos de bossais como você.

 

[BleakAsh]

I'm sorry, can you rephrase that please ? I didn't understand.

Basically to not attach his actions to his character would undermine his actions.
And the discussion about restricting it to a time frame of his said actions is redundant.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://newrepublic.com/post/200362/maga-charlie-kirk-blaming-trans-people
Classless, clueless, and tasteless - the Republican mission statement

 

[Logiko]

Basically to not attach his actions to his character would undermine his actions.

It's not a restriction. His actions will always be attached to his character, just to his past, depending on his following action.
But at the moment, the probabilities for him to do enough good to create reparation for his own actions are close to none.
It's a lost cause with such crimes.

But like I said, this is not a debate that we can have when we talk under the current context of such horrible systems of dominations and crimes. It's reflexion for those who will never have to feel the weight of wars.

 

[NAMELESS]

Any semblance to this thread is a mere COINCIDENCE!

The potential or even some display of good doesn't render null the blatant evil

Just cause an rapist has moments where he shows semblance of moral good doesn't make him less of a scumbag if he persists in what makes him a scumbag.

Humans are often either defined by aspects of humanity they excel at or inhumanity their perverse at.

Good that you think that. I think so too. What are your thoughts on Hamas?

 

[BleakAsh]

Good that you think that. I think so too. What are your thoughts on Hamas?

Product of zionist ethnic cleansing of Palistine.. It emerged in 1980's

They don't represent the religion and neither do individuals in that faction that stray from its group's rules or the religion

 

[NAMELESS]

Product of zionist ethnic cleansing of Palistine.. It emerged in 1980's

They don't represent the religion and neither do individuals in that faction that stray from its group's rules or the religion

Ok, just wanted to know what you think of both sides of this conflict. My understanding is that Palestinians don't really have anybody to stand for them.

 

[Reborn]

It's always funny to me to see the transition between the good and bad faith with liberals. It always has that je ne sais quoi of insults.

Even with the most cordial discussions




Hitler WAS a genocider. That's a fact. It's a set of action situated in time and space.

Now if you tell me that Hitler has always been a genocider, I won't agree. Simple enough





Funny, right ? How a simple change in the way with see an action can completely change our vision of society.

Indeed. I do not believe - in absolute - in the fact of charging someone for a crime. In term of logic, it doesn't make sense to me on the logic side.

BUT

This is a logic that does not have its place in the current world.

When I'm talking about logic here about the placement of action in time and space and the importance of not essentializing them to the entire existence of a person... I'm TAKING A SHORTCUT.

A shortcut that leads directly to an utopia. As only in an utopia will we be able to have this kind of discussion about logic.

In the current world, we can't. Simply because we must essentialize some stuff like "rapist" or "genocider" to point out problems, behaviors and domination systems. We must not go too far ahead, hence why I'm saying that I'm 300 year too early to have this debate. It's not a debate that I can have safely in this society, especially not in a place with so many oppressive behavior and mindset.

No.. INSTEAD we have to look at the other political side of the coin : Abolitionnism

Prison, are by essence, institution of systemic oppression. Now, this is a little bit advanced for this thread (meaning by that that I risk to see a lot of outrage here and I don't really want to deal with that) but basically, abolitionnist (because I'm also an abolitionnist) believe that prison do not help in any thing, and are actually the tool of the system to subjegate and exploit marginalized populations.

We know that most big criminal (murderer, rapist, active pedophiles, war criminal etc.) are not convicted, they are free most of the time and we also know that prison are overcrowed with crimes of lower standards. Crimes that are usually perpetuated by the material condition of existence of people (the black community in the US, for ex, is highly discriminated that way). Prison serves basically as a justice of class against the poor.

We believe in RESTORATIVE JUSTICE in the materialistic sense of the world. This is NOT rehabilitative justic and this is NOT centered around the rehabilitation of the person who commit the action, but the VICTIM who is subjected to the action.

Also we are not talking about the restorative justice that we know today. What we mean is a type of justice that really take the victims into consideration and the importance of allowing them to HEAL (and not necessarily have justice like so many here want) NOT the perpetuator.

It can only be done by stricking down all type of domination system as there will be no healing for the victims as long as men will be able to avoid the consequences of their actions or when rich people will be able to keep avoiding sentences. As long as there will be the possibility for people to access situation of power, some will abuse them.



Indeed. That's why I'm pointing out the notion of action in the dimension of time.

As long as the action is repeated in time, the label is perfectly normal. And even necessary.

For example, Netanyahou is STILL a genocider under that logic, and will only stop being one once he has no material way to continue. (although in our time, we will still call him a genocider long after the fact, and it's normal and even necessary as I explained in the previous reply just above this one)

That's not how it works


Thoughts (what we consistently thinks) ---> build emotions --- > results in Actions ----> shape our behaviour ----> reinforce Traits ----> gradually deepen in Subconscious mind ----> influence Thoughts again,

Thus our actions are the window to our sub-conscious mind and character.


It's a loop which feed itself.

 

[Logiko]

That's not how it works


Thoughts (what we consistently thinks) ---> build emotions --- > results in Actions ----> shape our behaviour ----> reinforce Traits ----> gradually deepen in Subconscious mind ----> influence Thoughts again,

Thus our actions are the window to our sub-conscious mind and character.


It's a loop which feed itself.

What do you think would happen to your vision of the world if somehow I was able to convince you that the actual order was this one ?

Environment > Shapes the brain > That create thoughts > That enters our consciousness > That shape our behavior > That influence the Environment

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Some insecure manchild (three guesses who) reported my last post because he didn’t like the way he was being described, so I won’t write it again and hurt the snowflake baby’s feelings

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966328442460185054

How on Earth did nobody on the ground see him do that?

 

[Logiko]

Some insecure manchild (three guesses who) reported my last post because he didn’t like the way he was being described, so I won’t write it again and hurt the snowflake baby’s feelings

Damn mate, how do you have so many reports? I don't even remember the last time one of my post was deleted lol

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Damn mate, how do you have so many reports? I don't even remember the last time one of my post was deleted lol

Nameless is the most insecure person in this thread even when a sentiment is not directed at him, probably because he knows there’s more than a kernel of truth to every unkind thing someone says about him

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Nameless is the most insecure person in this thread even when a sentiment is not directed at him, probably because he knows there’s more than a kernel of truth to every unkind thing someone says about him

anyone who randomly starts yapping about how other men aren't masculine and are fragile because they disagree with them is instantly more insecure than whoever they're insulting

 

[Logiko]

Nameless is the most insecure person in this thread even when a sentiment is not directed at him, probably because he knows there’s more than a kernel of truth to every unkind thing someone says about him

But why did he chose you? @NAMELESS Am I not enough of a pain in the ass for you? We had plans!!
My heart is broken

 

[Jew D. Boy]

But why did he chose you? @NAMELESS Am I not enough of a pain in the ass for you? We had plans!!
My heart is broken

I said the word “pedophiles” regarding the general state of conservatives, and he apparently took offense for reasons only he can explain…I still have him on ignore, so I won’t know if he does

 

[Reborn]

What do you think would happen to your vision of the world if somehow I was able to convince you that the actual order was this one ?

Environment > Shapes the brain > That create thoughts > That enters our consciousness > That shape our behavior > That influence the Environment

What would happen to you if I tell you need to drop your habit of writing post to always have an upper hand?

We aren't isolated creatures. We live in social settings which forms part of our environment.

So, it's no rocket science that obviously it shapes our thoughts.

However, once these thoughts ingrained in our subconscious mind then even if you change environment they will persist.

"It's what you repeatedly think, is what you become "

I was discarding your version of actions.



Let me tell you something by taking your own example....


You have a habit of imposing your world view on others. You think only your version is right version.

Sometimes you even come across as condescending.



On surface level, people will say you are controlling or authoritarian or ego maniac.



But deep down, this behaviour of yours stem from childhood experiences which got ingrained in your subconscious mind.


You perhaps felt "Invisible" or "lack of respect" or "lack of control over your life". It comes from unmet need of validation, respect and fear of not enough.

You can argue social setting or environment made you like that. But, even if environment changes, you are so wired now because of repeating thoughts pattern and subconscious mind, that you will still act like that even if environment changed.



It's ultimately we who have to take control of our mind regardless of the environment.

 

[Logiko]

I said the word “pedophiles” regarding the general state of conservatives, and he apparently took offense for reasons only he can explain…I still have him on ignore, so I won’t know if he does

I tried ignoring people for a time.. never worked. Too addicted to notifications

What would happen to you if I tell you need to drop your habit of writing post to always have an upper hand?

Not much since I would keep doing it.

Let me tell you something by taking your own example....


You have a habit of imposing your world view on others. You think only your version is right version.

Sometimes you even come across as condescending.



On surface level, people will say you are controlling or authoritarian or ego maniac.



But deep down, this behaviour of yours stem from childhood experiences which got ingrained in your subconscious mind.


You perhaps felt "Invisible" or "lack of respect" or "lack of control over your life". It comes from unmeet need of validation, respect and not being enough.

You can argue social setting or environment made you like that. But, even if environment changes, you are so wired now because of subconscious mind, that you will still act like that even if environment changed.

Annd.. you missed.

I was not always like that. In fact, before my majority, I didn't like to debate stuff. I was a silent man, even a closed off man.

It's when my conditions of existence changed, when I became a studient, living on my own, that I started to change. Open up a little, learn about the world.. that I started to talk about what I knew and what I dreamed of. And nothing was repressed before that, I was just different. My environement made me change, but you know what ?

It was nothing compared to what was about to change!

Let me tell you a story. (and well.. it's time for a real oversharing moment)

Spoiler: My Story

15 years ago, before my condition, I was a ball of energy. But my empathy? I had very little of it. Of course I loved, I cried, I screamed, I laughed. but it was faint, it was the bare minimum. Some childhoold trauma had left me with scars. I had wishes of course, but no rationnality, no awarenes.

I had crazy dreams, strange thoughts patterns, I was obsessive indeed, just like I'm today, but where it was not a problem before, this new unfamiliar environment started a chain reaction.. And made me detach myself from others, I felt... desynchronized.

It was not that I didn't accept my life, but I didn't like the way I was, I didn't like the way I talked, the way I lived.. even if I was more open, I started to feel empty, more aware of myself, more aware of my environement but strangely feeling like living in a parrallel dimension.

One day, the pressure of my insecurities and the sudden awereness that I was not prepared for this world, that I was not who I wanted to be.. hit me like a train in the face. This build up made me feel like a baby left in the jungle. This little realization alone, and my lack of defense mechanism, put me in a state of derealization.

If you don't know what derealizations are, google it.

The dererealizations were not the product of some deep subconscious toughts, but the product of my lack of awereness of the world mixed with my lack of self esteem, mixed with the violence I foresaw, the danger I felt from my environement and future and the panic following the fear of losing everything I hold dear, family, dreams, everything. It was not rational, but it is how my mind interpreted this situation.

At the same time, a breakup happened that left me in despair.

So I closed myself off, locked myself away, in the fear of losing myself. In the fear of the world itself. This situation on top of the derealizations, created an isolation. My isolation created social pressures and at the same time, the complete lack of it. This isolation created depression, this depression created more isolation.

Alone but always watched over by closed one, I observed the world silently grow without me for many years.. This condition changed my entire vision of life. When, like you, I thought that I was capable of anything just because of mind conditionning.. suddenly this thought became a myth for me. No amount of conditionning was able to force myself away from my own conditions of existence. I couldn't move, I couldn't work, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't dream. I could only stay in front of my screen like a ghost.

I started to deradicalize.. from conspirationnism, Liberalism, and idealism. I started to humble myself.. to listen to people living the same isolation, then I started to listen to others, women, ratialized people, LGBTQI+, poor people.. I became more empathetic, I became much more angry and much more aware of the world. I started to debate, to search for solutions, to try to prevent people from falling into the same traps as mine. I felt even more in love with storytelling, I started to learn more, I humbled myself to degree you can't even imagine, I rebuilded my entire knowledge system. I'm kept the best part of me, and became an entirely new person.

Until COVID, where.. for a time, the entire world suddenly synchronized with my life.

This simple thing, this simple change in the material condition of existence of the ENTIRE world, completely changed the relationship I had with my entire environment. The realization that isolation was not a conscious descision hit the minds and bodies of my closed circle.

I felt understood.

Their mindset changed, their look changed, their words became kinder, my words became more relaxed and this allowed us to reach hands toward eachothers. This special planet alignment.. gave me enough strenght to seek help. This is what allowed me to move away again. TO be on my own, but less afraid, less alone, more empathetic, more opened but much more angry at the world.

Then.. one day.. I realized that I wasted too much time, what I wanted to do, was not possible anymore, at least not in the same shape. This realization almost killed me. But once again, I wasn't alone. It's my environment that allowed me to keep going.

Now, nobody can help me anymore, people have sacrified too much. I'm on my own. I still afraid, I'm poor, I'm handicaped, my situation is pushing health problem on me.. but I'm not lost anymore. And my will has never been stronger.

As you can see. The mind is but a product of our material conditions of existence.

If you can allow yourself to condition yourself to repeat enough thoughts to the point where you can change behaviors.. it's because the environment will push you to do that without restrains, and it is also the environement that will shape when and where you will start to see the changes

We are human. We are not pure thoughts in a vacuum. Our material condition of existences preceeds our actions and behaviors and our behaviors will forge them back to influence us once again. It's a cycle indeed, but a cycle where our agency is limited by very specific parameters. (if it even exist at all). No matter how many times you make yourself believe you are in control of your life and success, only your material conditions of existence will have the last words.

This is why people can't become rich out of the wits of their minds and why rich people will probably never understand why meritocracy is not real.. unless we make them understand ourselves.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I tried ignoring people for a time.. never worked. Too addicted to notifications





Not much since I would keep doing it.




Annd.. you missed.

I was not always like that. In fact, before my majority, I didn't like to debate stuff. I was a silent man, even a closed off man.

It's when my conditions of existence changed, when I became a studient, living on my own, that I started to change. Open up a little, learn about the world.. that I started to talk about what I knew and what I dreamed of. And nothing was repressed before that, I was just different. My environement made me change, but you know what ?

It was nothing compared to what was about to change!

Let me tell you a story. (and well.. it's time for a real oversharing moment)

Spoiler: My Story

15 years ago, before my condition, I was a ball of energy. But my empathy? I had very little of it. Of course I loved, I cried, I screamed, I laughed. but it was faint, it was the bare minimum. Some childhoold trauma had left me with scars. I had wishes of course, but no rationnality, no awarenes.

I had crazy dreams, strange thoughts patterns, I was obsessive indeed, just like I'm today, but where it was not a problem before, this new unfamiliar environment started a chain reaction.. And made me detach myself from others, I felt... desynchronized.

It was not that I didn't accept my life, but I didn't like the way I was, I didn't like the way I talked, the way I lived.. even if I was more open, I started to feel empty, more aware of myself, more aware of my environement but strangely feeling like living in a parrallel dimension.

One day, the pressure of my insecurities and the sudden awereness that I was not prepared for this world, that I was not who I wanted to be.. hit me like a train in the face. This build up made me feel like a baby left in the jungle. This little realization alone, and my lack of defense mechanism, put me in a state of derealization.

If you don't know what derealizations are, google it.

The dererealizations were not the product of some deep subconscious toughts, but the product of my lack of awereness of the world mixed with my lack of self esteem, mixed with the violence I foresaw, the danger I felt from my environement and future and the panic following the fear of losing everything I hold dear, family, dreams, everything. It was not rational, but it is how my mind interpreted this situation.

At the same time, a breakup happened that left me in despair.

So I closed myself off, locked myself away, in the fear of losing myself. In the fear of the world itself. This situation on top of the derealizations, created an isolation. My isolation created social pressures and at the same time, the complete lack of it. This isolation created depression, this depression created more isolation.

Alone but always watched over by closed one, I observed the world silently grow without me for many years.. This condition changed my entire vision of life. When, like you, I thought that I was capable of anything just because of mind conditionning.. suddenly this thought became a myth for me. No amount of conditionning was able to force myself away from my own conditions of existence. I couldn't move, I couldn't work, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't dream. I could only stay in front of my screen like a ghost.

I started to deradicalize.. from conspirationnism, Liberalism, and idealism. I started to humble myself.. to listen to people living the same isolation, then I started to listen to others, women, ratialized people, LGBTQI+, poor people.. I became more empathetic, I became much more angry and much more aware of the world. I started to debate, to search for solutions, to try to prevent people from falling into the same traps as mine. I felt even more in love with storytelling, I started to learn more, I humbled myself to degree you can't even imagine, I rebuilded my entire knowledge system. I'm kept the best part of me, and became an entirely new person.

Until COVID, where.. for a time, the entire world suddenly synchronized with my life.

This simple thing, this simple change in the material condition of existence of the ENTIRE world, completely changed the relationship I had with my entire environment. The realization that isolation was not a conscious descision hit the minds and bodies of my closed circle.

I felt understood.

Their mindset changed, their look changed, their words became kinder, my words became more relaxed and this allowed us to reach hands toward eachothers. This special planet alignment.. gave me enough strenght to seek help. This is what allowed me to move away again. TO be on my own, but less afraid, less alone, more empathetic, more opened but much more angry at the world.

Then.. one day.. I realized that I wasted too much time, what I wanted to do, was not possible anymore, at least not in the same shape. This realization almost killed me. But once again, I wasn't alone. It's my environment that allowed me to keep going.

Now, nobody can help me anymore, people have sacrified too much. I'm on my own. I still afraid, I'm poor, I'm handicaped, my situation is pushing health problem on me.. but I'm not lost anymore. And my will has never been stronger.

As you can see. The mind is but a product of our material conditions of existence.

If you can allow yourself to condition yourself to repeat enough thoughts to the point where you can change behaviors.. it's because the environment will push you to do that without restrains, and it is also the environement that will shape when and where you will start to see the changes

We are human. We are not pure thoughts in a vacuum. Our material condition of existences preceeds our actions and behaviors and our behaviors will forge them back to influence us once again. It's a cycle indeed, but a cycle where our agency is limited by very specific parameters. (if it even exist at all). No matter how many times you make yourself believe you are in control of your life and success, only your material conditions of existence will have the last words.

This is why people can't become rich out of the wits of their minds and why rich people will probably never understand why meritocracy is not real.. unless we make them understand ourselves.

you need therapy
that's not an insult because I do too
but you just need it

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I tried ignoring people for a time.. never worked. Too addicted to notifications

I don’t need any notifications from jackasses saying the dumbest and meanest shit their last pair of brain cells can fart out, he will not be missed