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Even this line of reasoning of yours is inherently nihilistic. Your support for homosexuality comes from a negative angle that seeks to avoid evil vs doing good, thinking of it in terms of "this isn't harmful to people", rather than, "this is good for people".
But, to answer your question, homosexual actions are fundamentally evil because the human body has a nature, this nature can either be fulfilled or misused, homosexual actions are one type of misuse of the sexual aspect of our body, and an extreme one at that.
But, to answer your question, homosexual actions are fundamentally evil because the human body has a nature, this nature can either be fulfilled or misused, homosexual actions are one type of misuse of the sexual aspect of our body, and an extreme one at that.
I mean he did tell us upright he's got more extreme views than people like Kirk..
What exactly is the crime of two consenting men engaging in sex if they've both properly prepared for it?
Why is it considered a "misuse" of the body? Do you believe the only thing our bodies are good for is making babies?
What exactly is the crime of two consenting men engaging in sex if they've both properly prepared for it?
Why is it considered a "misuse" of the body? Do you believe the only thing our bodies are good for is making babies?
Is your argument that, as long as "two consenting adults who are prepared", and "doesn't hurt them", makes it moral or (as your framework inclines), not-immoral?
Well, before that I would ask you: is it possible to misuse to the sexual functions of the body, in your opinion? That is to say, is there even such a thing as sexual morals?
If the answer is yes, what are they? I believe I could define the boundaries much better than you can.
Well, before that I would ask you: is it possible to misuse to the sexual functions of the body, in your opinion? That is to say, is there even such a thing as sexual morals?
If the answer is yes, what are they? I believe I could define the boundaries much better than you can.
You need to be a materialist to understand what I'm saying here (I'm not joking). I could tell you "the fight of one protects the fight of others" but you wouldn't really get it. It's kind of an advanced leftist thinking.
Basically : The system of the oppression of LGBTQI+ is interconnected which means that there is no fighting one of these groups without oppressing the others, the fight against Trans people (because it's usually trans people that are targeted in the west) is deeply linked to the fight of against LGB people and IQ+ people in general. This is a simple logic of systemic oppression.
If you want a radical allegory, picture a cliff on a snowy mountain:
> LGBTQI+ people here are represented by the two red points (lgb > At the bottom & TQi+ on Top)
> All the snow scattered in an unstable manner on the face of the mountain is the entire spectra of right of ALL LGBTQI+.
Technically the red dots are separated. Right?
But when you look closer, you understand that the entire field is an interconnection of unstable snow (unstable rights). The ENTIRE face of the mountain is - in the case of this ex - connected together just like rights are connected in real life. One right opens the field for another, a liberty opens the window for another etc. And right are stacked up on top of each others as they form a mountain of snow and progress..
Now... What happens when you put an explosive on the top red dot ?? (representing Trans, Queers and Intersex people)
Little spoilers:
In reality, the entire face of the mountain comes crashing down. Because what was the right stacked up just before the top of the "rights mountain" becomes the next visible target to fall.
And since right attacked by oppressive measure are linked by a bigger oppression that is actually an entire system of domination (patriarchy in this case) ...
The entire mountain falls. And the red dot at the bottom end up completely smashed by the domination system combined with the strenghtening of oppressive measures.
This is what I means when I say that you can't be for gay and against Trans.
If you are against one group, your are targeting ALL OF THEM.
And you know what is even worse ?
The mountain of the right of LGBTQI+ are just part of the unstable snow on the mountain of the rights of the entire population of the planets.
Because ... what do you think happens when Trans people are targeted because they are considered ill? Well.. people with mental situation like me get targeted as well and it's now THEIR turn to lose rights, and when we lose all our rights, it's disabled people LIKE ME who lose their rights... until the one losing their rights are cis white men working in their factories...
Attacking the rights of people who want to simply live in peace, means creating an instability for the right of the entire population of the planet.
Because oppression does no stop when it's finish. Oppression demands more oppression and control. Until the system breaks or reset.
Basically : The system of the oppression of LGBTQI+ is interconnected which means that there is no fighting one of these groups without oppressing the others, the fight against Trans people (because it's usually trans people that are targeted in the west) is deeply linked to the fight of against LGB people and IQ+ people in general. This is a simple logic of systemic oppression.
If you want a radical allegory, picture a cliff on a snowy mountain:
> LGBTQI+ people here are represented by the two red points (lgb > At the bottom & TQi+ on Top)
> All the snow scattered in an unstable manner on the face of the mountain is the entire spectra of right of ALL LGBTQI+.
Technically the red dots are separated. Right?
But when you look closer, you understand that the entire field is an interconnection of unstable snow (unstable rights). The ENTIRE face of the mountain is - in the case of this ex - connected together just like rights are connected in real life. One right opens the field for another, a liberty opens the window for another etc. And right are stacked up on top of each others as they form a mountain of snow and progress..
Now... What happens when you put an explosive on the top red dot ?? (representing Trans, Queers and Intersex people)
Little spoilers:
In reality, the entire face of the mountain comes crashing down. Because what was the right stacked up just before the top of the "rights mountain" becomes the next visible target to fall.
And since right attacked by oppressive measure are linked by a bigger oppression that is actually an entire system of domination (patriarchy in this case) ...
The entire mountain falls. And the red dot at the bottom end up completely smashed by the domination system combined with the strenghtening of oppressive measures.
This is what I means when I say that you can't be for gay and against Trans.
If you are against one group, your are targeting ALL OF THEM.
And you know what is even worse ?
The mountain of the right of LGBTQI+ are just part of the unstable snow on the mountain of the rights of the entire population of the planets.
Because ... what do you think happens when Trans people are targeted because they are considered ill? Well.. people with mental situation like me get targeted as well and it's now THEIR turn to lose rights, and when we lose all our rights, it's disabled people LIKE ME who lose their rights... until the one losing their rights are cis white men working in their factories...
Attacking the rights of people who want to simply live in peace, means creating an instability for the right of the entire population of the planet.
Because oppression does no stop when it's finish. Oppression demands more oppression and control. Until the system breaks or reset.
Again, an action can do no physical harm but still be immoral.
Relationships between consenting adults can do no physical harm and still be immoral.
For example, two people who are closely related may marry. Nobody may be harmed there, but we would still condemn that because we recognize it is not natural.
I get your argument. You're saying that someone who is against transgenderism is against homosexuality because the former (socially) leads to the latter.
Trump doesn't intend to have gay marriage banned or desire it. Although you could argue he may do something that leads to it by banning transgenderism, but he is not formally guilty if he didn't intend it.
He may be materially guilty, but formally he is not guilty.
Same as someone who drives their truck but accidentally crashes into a car. They are materially guilty, but formally are not in that their will didn't want to do that.
Relationships between consenting adults can do no physical harm and still be immoral.
For example, two people who are closely related may marry. Nobody may be harmed there, but we would still condemn that because we recognize it is not natural.
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You need to be a materialist to understand what I'm saying here (I'm not joking). I could tell you "the fight of one protects the fight of others" but you wouldn't really get it. It's kind of an advanced leftist thinking.
Basically : The system of the oppression of LGBTQI+ is interconnected which means that there is no fighting one of these groups without oppressing the others, the fight against Trans people (because it's usually trans people that are targeted in the west) is deeply linked to the fight of against LGB people and IQ+ people in general. This is a simple logic of systemic oppression.
If you want a radical allegory, picture a cliff on a snowy mountain:
> LGBTQI+ people here are represented by the two red points (lgb > At the bottom & TQi+ on Top)
> All the snow scattered in an unstable manner on the face of the mountain is the entire spectra of right of ALL LGBTQI+.
Technically the red dots are separated. Right?
But when you look closer, you understand that the entire field is an interconnection of unstable snow (unstable rights). The ENTIRE face of the mountain is - in the case of this ex - connected together just like rights are connected in real life. One right opens the field for another, a liberty opens the window for another etc. And right are stacked up on top of each others as they form a mountain of snow and progress..
Now... What happens when you put an explosive on the top red dot ?? (representing Trans, Queers and Intersex people)
Little spoilers:
In reality, the entire face of the mountain comes crashing down. Because what was the right stacked up just before the top of the "rights mountain" becomes the next visible target to fall.
And since right attacked by oppressive measure and linked by a bigger oppression that is actually an entire system of domination (patriarchy in this case) ...
The entire mountain falls. And the red dot at the bottom end up completely smashed by the domination system combined with the strenghtening of oppressive measures.
This is what I means when I say that you can't be for gay and against Trans.
If you are against one group, your are targeting ALL OF THEM.
And you know what is even worse ?
The mountain of the right of LGBTQI+ are just part of the unstable snow on the mountain of the rights of the entire population of the planets.
Because ... what do you think happens when Trans people are targeted because they are considered ill? Well.. people with mental situation like me get targeted as well and it's now THEIR turn to lose rights, and when we lose all our rights, it's disabled people LIKE ME who lose their rights... until the one losing their rights are cis white men working in their factories...
Attacking the rights of people who want to simply live in peace, means creating an instability for the right of the entire population of the planet.
Because oppression does no stop when it's finish. Oppression demands more oppression and control. Until the system breaks or reset.
Basically : The system of the oppression of LGBTQI+ is interconnected which means that there is no fighting one of these groups without oppressing the others, the fight against Trans people (because it's usually trans people that are targeted in the west) is deeply linked to the fight of against LGB people and IQ+ people in general. This is a simple logic of systemic oppression.
If you want a radical allegory, picture a cliff on a snowy mountain:
> LGBTQI+ people here are represented by the two red points (lgb > At the bottom & TQi+ on Top)
> All the snow scattered in an unstable manner on the face of the mountain is the entire spectra of right of ALL LGBTQI+.
Technically the red dots are separated. Right?
But when you look closer, you understand that the entire field is an interconnection of unstable snow (unstable rights). The ENTIRE face of the mountain is - in the case of this ex - connected together just like rights are connected in real life. One right opens the field for another, a liberty opens the window for another etc. And right are stacked up on top of each others as they form a mountain of snow and progress..
Now... What happens when you put an explosive on the top red dot ?? (representing Trans, Queers and Intersex people)
Little spoilers:
In reality, the entire face of the mountain comes crashing down. Because what was the right stacked up just before the top of the "rights mountain" becomes the next visible target to fall.
And since right attacked by oppressive measure and linked by a bigger oppression that is actually an entire system of domination (patriarchy in this case) ...
The entire mountain falls. And the red dot at the bottom end up completely smashed by the domination system combined with the strenghtening of oppressive measures.
This is what I means when I say that you can't be for gay and against Trans.
If you are against one group, your are targeting ALL OF THEM.
And you know what is even worse ?
The mountain of the right of LGBTQI+ are just part of the unstable snow on the mountain of the rights of the entire population of the planets.
Because ... what do you think happens when Trans people are targeted because they are considered ill? Well.. people with mental situation like me get targeted as well and it's now THEIR turn to lose rights, and when we lose all our rights, it's disabled people LIKE ME who lose their rights... until the one losing their rights are cis white men working in their factories...
Attacking the rights of people who want to simply live in peace, means creating an instability for the right of the entire population of the planet.
Because oppression does no stop when it's finish. Oppression demands more oppression and control. Until the system breaks or reset.
Trump doesn't intend to have gay marriage banned or desire it. Although you could argue he may do something that leads to it by banning transgenderism, but he is not formally guilty if he didn't intend it.
He may be materially guilty, but formally he is not guilty.
Same as someone who drives their truck but accidentally crashes into a car. They are materially guilty, but formally are not in that their will didn't want to do that.
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One: Incestual relationships are often predatory and destroy healthy norms built within that family for years on end.
Two: Incestual relationships can also lead to very deformed children.
Three: You would have to prove that there are such detrimental downsides to homoerotic relationships in order for your point to be valid. Otherwise, calling homosexuality immoral is an argument with no actual logic behind it.
Two: Incestual relationships can also lead to very deformed children.
Three: You would have to prove that there are such detrimental downsides to homoerotic relationships in order for your point to be valid. Otherwise, calling homosexuality immoral is an argument with no actual logic behind it.
What about if the incestuous relationship is not predatory, and they don't have any children (say they are infertile or decide to contracept).
Would it be okay, then?
No, because physical detriment don't decide good and evil, many non physically detrimental actions can be immoral or evil.
Would it be okay, then?
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No, because physical detriment don't decide good and evil, many non physically detrimental actions can be immoral or evil.