Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

or does your definition of natural only encompass aspects of nature that you like?

 

[RyoQ]

first, appealing to nature is fallacious. but even if that wasnt the case and we take your natural law bs at face value, i hate to break it to you, but homosexuality is not unnatural by any means. it occurs in many different groups of animals. Clearly it occurs in humans, and it occurs in the closest relatives of humans, chimps and bonobos

you use nature = in the wild, I use nature = essence of a thing

homosexuality occurs in the wild, but it is contrary to the essence of human nature because human sexuality is ordered towards heterosexual actions not homosexual ones

if you want to argue it's natural because chimps do it, that is YOU appealing to nature, and chimps do many fucked up things that we would not say is okay

 

[Blax Blah]

Personally I think it's wrong, in the same way that sleeping with a woman outside of marriage is wrong, or smoking cigarettes, but since it's not you imposing something wrong on someone else, like say you beating someone up randomly, it's a personal decision that you should get to make

 

[Zenos7]

Am I allowed to call him a Nazi again?? @AL sama @Zenos7

you were always allowed to call him a nazi (IMHO)

my issue was you lying about his self proclamation of being a nazi (because that didnt happen btw)

you are also allowed to stop being a bitch about it

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Well, before that I would ask you: is it possible to misuse to the sexual functions of the body, in your opinion? That is to say, is there even such a thing as sexual morals?

If the answer is yes, what are they? I believe I could define the boundaries much better than you can.

bro if we follow this line of reasoning then everytime people have sex without the female getting pregnant is evil.

Post automatically merged: Tuesday at 1:23 PM

Well, before that I would ask you: is it possible to misuse to the sexual functions of the body, in your opinion? That is to say, is there even such a thing as sexual morals?

If the answer is yes, what are they? I believe I could define the boundaries much better than you can

gotta throw in our closest animal relatives again, the bonobos, who perform sexual activities of all sorts as social interaction and/or to ease tension.

 

[RyoQ]

bro if we follow this line of reasoning then everytime people have sex without the female getting pregnant is evil

what do you mean by that? like in cases of infertility?

 

[Reborn]

Woh don't provoke him


Actually delete your post before he wakes up

Akai bribed me to post that

 

[RyoQ]

Personally I think it's wrong, in the same way that sleeping with a woman outside of marriage is wrong, or smoking cigarettes, but since it's not you imposing something wrong on someone else, like say you beating someone up randomly, it's a personal decision that you should get to make

if you are having a gay marriage, you are imposing something on others because marriage is a public action that has a public effect on society

if the state is allowing this, the state is legally redefining marriage which perverts the public conscious

 

[Zenos7]

Incest is evil because it goes against the nature of human sexuality in some way, homosexuality also goes against this nature but in a different way.

attention everyone: being asexual is EVIL AS FUCK! ! ! !

Post automatically merged: Tuesday at 1:30 PM

I'd pay a million dollars to have a woman ride me like they ride Kirk lmfao

just get a girlfriend

 

[RyoQ]

attention everyone: being asexual is EVIL AS FUCK! ! ! !

asexuality is definitely less immoral than homosexuality, lol. Bad comparison really

it's still not good and still a dysfunction, but the actions it would tend towards (celibacy) are 100% less perverted and less grievous than the actions a homosexual inclination would tend towards

 

[Jew D. Boy]

you were always allowed to call him a nazi (IMHO)

my issue was you lying about his self proclamation of being a nazi (because that didnt happen btw)

you are also allowed to stop being a bitch about it

Post automatically merged: Tuesday at 1:21 PM

bro if we follow this line of reasoning then everytime people have sex without the female getting pregnant is evil.

Post automatically merged: Tuesday at 1:23 PM

gotta throw in our closest animal relatives again, the bonobos, who perform sexual activities of all sorts as social interaction and/or to ease tension.

Can we at least agree that although it’s not exactly what he said, everything he’s posted since indicates he objectively IS a hateful bigot, racist, and homophobe?? I may not see his disgusting rhetoric, but everyone I see quoting him is responding clearly enough that I get the gist

 

[Zenos7]

"Murder became bad only when humans decided it's bad"

are you a YEC?

 

[Reborn]

are you a YEC?

What's YEC?

 

[RyoQ]

Can we at least agree that although it’s not exactly what he said, everything he’s posted since indicates he objectively IS a hateful bigot, racist, and homophobe?? I may not see his disgusting rhetoric, but everyone I see quoting him is responding clearly enough that I get the gist

you can have civil debate with me on things...or you can keep calling me slurs, to which the mods can and should ban you from here if all you can do is throw slur

 

[Zenos7]

the nature of the human reproductive organs is to express dimorphism in a manner that generates life. in humans, this only occurs between the opposite sex, and so same-sex sexual actions are inherently sterile, and deviate from this end very strongly, and so it is not natural.

real dick move of god to create intersex, asexual and infertile individuals.

 

[RyoQ]

are you a YEC?

no, old earth

Post automatically merged: Tuesday at 1:43 PM

real dick move of god to create intersex, asexual and infertile individuals.

not sure why you are bringing God into this?

anyway, God does not "create" any aberrations within nature.

Allowing defects to spring up inside creation =/= creating them, and it also doesn't entail endorsing humans acting upon said defects (like willingly acting on a homosexual or any other unnatural inclination)

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

or does your definition of natural only encompass aspects of nature that you like?

 

[Zenos7]

i meant natural as in, the essential aspects of a thing including what it's natural ends are. For example the nature of a pencil is that it's made of wood and lead, it's natural end is to write, to the degree it can do that is the degree that it's a quality pencil, a shittier pencil is one that can't do write well, etc.

damn even pen spinning is evil. . . .

 

[RyoQ]

damn even pen spinning is evil. . . .

no? lol

 

[Zenos7]

If we're going to crack down on every single thing that can be considered "unnatural"

and conversations like this always dance around the term natural, we have already seen him talk about "nature of X" bs, without substantiating what that nature is or how it is derived, because sex in humans clearly is linked alot to pleasure and not just reproduction, due to the very basic characteristics of our genitalia, so how come that part isnt also the nature of sexual relations in humans?

 

[RyoQ]

you just admitted earlier homosexuality is unnatural like incest is unnatural, but your justification for it's "marriage" being legal is that other immoral shit like circuses and gambling (which should also be banned) are legal