Controversial General Political Discussion

RyoQ

RyoQ

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Zenos7 said:
the body definitely feels the pleasure even without reproduction, and i have outlined some of the cases for this already.
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ok but your point is the body feels a pleasure for pleasure's sake

like no? there is a biological purpose and end to such a pleasure, just as there is a purpose to the pleasure we get from eating, we don't eat for the sake of eating

actually all pleasure is good only insofar as it serves it's proper end
 
BleakAsh

BleakAsh

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RyoQ said:
Hey, it makes them feel pleasure, pleasure is an end in of itself right so it's good
:milaugh::milaugh::milaugh:

It is cooked what their reasoning entails when you take it to their logical conclusion. Just like Monster Zolo said a relationship is moral as long as it's between two consenting adults + is not physically harmful, even though there are incestuous relationships that would meet this criteria from time to time
:Reddog:
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Humanity is marked by evolution.
I'm sure the first gays had anal sex with females and then justified anal sex with men.

Alot of the STDs now a days are because of anal sex then using the same genitalia for vaginal sex.

Which results from mass promiscuity.

Which results from lack of moral order in the society

So alot of it needs to go down the drain in a society for homosexuality to be normalized.

Thats not to say homosexuals are evil.. NO

But its certainly disingenuous to conflate homosexuality as an act to homosexual as a person where latter has been told its the right thing to do and it is right to express yoir desires in the sense.
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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BleakAsh said:
Why is the criteria for homosexuality being natrual premised on humping the same sex feeling good due to the innate nature of human genitalia.

Does that mean beastiality is natrual to human relations too if for instance a dog and a female both benefit from the interaction pleasure wise @Zenos7
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nothing here makes any sense.

homosexuality being natural is what i said if we use natural in the sense of it occurs naturally, it occurs in nature. In that sense, homosexuality is very natural.

what i responded to here was a different usage of nature (that i first wasnt aware of), where the claim is about the nature of human sexual relations resulting in reproduction. i just threw in the pleasure aspect of sex because our genitals are definitely designed to experience pleasure, so their nature cant be solely about reproduction, because then our genitals feeling pleasure wouldnt be necessary at all.

i wasnt making any claim that homosexuality is natural or good because it is giving gay people pleasure lmao. i have absolute no way how you reached that conclusion.
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BleakAsh said:
anal sex
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oh yeah this also doesnt result in reproduction, so obviously its evil
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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RyoQ said:
Holy shit that fence is about to give way with how hard you're sitting on it. I'm asking if you disagree or agree, not how you personally feel about it
:josad:
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then sure, trump at least is somewhat pro-lgb
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Mathias said:
What's the purpose of the need associated to get fucked in the ass ? :optimistic:

Are you gonna make a baby outta your asshole ? OR IS YOUR ASSHOLE DEMANDING DICKS FOR PLEASURE ?
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blowjobs are also evil
 
RyoQ

RyoQ

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Zenos7 said:
then sure, trump at least is somewhat pro-lgb
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And then you realize Kirk had the same politics on as Trump

Kirk was pro-lgb

yet i was told he was a Nazi or far right
:milaugh::milaugh:
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Jew D. Boy said:
Why are y’all still giving Roku the time of day?? I don’t see any reason to entertain the notion of him being an actual human, nothing he says can be taken seriously unless you’re as pathetic and small as he is :luuh:
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Crashout.
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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RyoQ said:
Hey, it makes them feel pleasure, pleasure is an end in of itself right so it's good
:milaugh::milaugh::milaugh:

It is cooked what their reasoning entails when you take it to their logical conclusion. Just like Monster Zolo said a relationship is moral as long as it's between two consenting adults + is not physically harmful, even though there are incestuous relationships that would meet this criteria from time to time
:Reddog:
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if only that wasnt me taking YOUR reasoning to their logical conclusion. im not advocating for gay sex here lmao
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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
We never do anything else for pleasure
We don't drink alcohol
Play video games
Smoke cigarettes
Gamble
Fuck multiple women/men
Etc.
And I imagine if we did do any of that, Ryo would also protest against all of that since he hates anything that's unnatural and "just done for pleasure"
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talk for yourself only bitch. i love alcohol, weed, video games, fucking only one woman i am committed to in a serious relationship (but not yet married so im still going to hell TT_TT ), etc.
 
RyoQ

RyoQ

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
bro unironically said charlie kirk wasn't racist or homophobic lol
he's hopefully just trolling
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LOL he said gays should be welcome in the conservative movement. He was pro LGB
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Zenos7 said:
what certain areas?

wont ever be illegal nationwide again.
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In certain states it could. Obviously a state like California won't ever ban it
 
Zenos7

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RyoQ said:
It's not an appeal to nature, you are using the definition of nature as = in the wild, I am using it in the teleological/philosophical sense where it is a synonym for essence
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eh, you are really just using a different word for natural, so you are still kind of doing an appeal to nature, just with a different basis than i used in my hypothetical.

but that was my point of the post you quoted here, because you said i was doing an appeal to nature, depsite me only doing a hypothetical.
 
RyoQ

RyoQ

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
Why do you always specifically say LGB and not LGBT
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Obviously because Trump, Kirk (and most normies conservatives) only take issue with transgenders but almost never attack gay marriage?

Hence why I don't even identify with the mainstream conservative or Republicans, they represent a different faction than the far-right which bare minimum calls for ending gay marriage. The right is not a hegemon
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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RyoQ said:
the end of our reproductive organs are reproductive ends, so them committing inherently sterile actions like gay sex is a failure in it achieving it's end, making it unnatural and thus evil
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so blowjobs, boobjobs, handjobs, anal, masturbation, all evil since they are sterile actions. gotcha.
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Uncle Van said:
The fact that some even thought that homosexuality can be manufactured and transferred is stupid and hilarious.
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this is why i thought of the regular meaning of "natural", because i have talked to religious folks telling me people arent born gay, they are made gay in some way, and therefore not "natural".
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RyoQ said:
you're comparing one sexual dysfunction to another

asexuality is unnatural and thus evil, but not as unnatural nor evil as homosexuality
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and how do we distinguish between less and more evil deviations from the nature of our sexuality?
 
RyoQ

RyoQ

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Zenos7 said:
so blowjobs, boobjobs, handjobs, anal, masturbation, all evil since they are sterile actions. gotcha
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Sexual acts have to be ordered towards sexual ends so yes

Some of these things, morally, can fall under "foreplay" if during sex they are used but the action still concludes in copulation. Homosexual acts can never conclude in that so they are always evil
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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RyoQ said:
ok but your point is the body feels a pleasure for pleasure's sake

like no? there is a biological purpose and end to such a pleasure, just as there is a purpose to the pleasure we get from eating, we don't eat for the sake of eating

actually all pleasure is good only insofar as it serves it's proper end
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my point is that you describing our reproductive organs with having the nature to reproduce is not painting the full picture for the convenience of your argument.
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BleakAsh said:
Humanity is marked by evolution.
I'm sure the first gays had anal sex with females and then justified anal sex with men.

Alot of the STDs now a days are because of anal sex then using the same genitalia for vaginal sex.

Which results from mass promiscuity.

Which results from lack of moral order in the society

So alot of it needs to go down the drain in a society for homosexuality to be normalized.

Thats not to say homosexuals are evil.. NO

But its certainly disingenuous to conflate homosexuality as an act to homosexual as a person where latter has been told its the right thing to do and it is right to express yoir desires in the sense.
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the issue lies within the promiscuity then, not homosexuality. straight people of today are promiscuous as fuck
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RyoQ said:
Something being legal that corrupts morals and perverts society > something that may worsen bodily health to some people

Gay sex is inherently gravely disordered, sterile behavior and is perverse as such and it being legal = tells society it's good when it is not
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thats not at all what legality is about. legality is about whether you have the right to do it, not whether its good or not.
 
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