Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

What's YEC?

young earth creationist, basically flat earth level reality denial, and apparently roughly 18% of americans believe this shit. . . .
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not sure why you are bringing God into this?

anyway, God does not "create" any aberrations within nature.

Allowing defects to spring up inside creation =/= creating them, and it also doesn't entail endorsing humans acting upon said defects (like willingly acting on a homosexual or any other unnatural inclination)

oh so you belong to some weird denomination? which one?
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no? lol

but pen spinning goes against the nature of the pen, so that has to be evil.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Fun fact: the U.S. government considered creating a bomb that would turn enemies gay, making them sexually attracted to each other during a fucking war and create confusion.

This idea was scrapped as being ludicrous. The fact that some even thought that homosexuality can be manufactured and transferred is stupid and hilarious.

LMAOOOOOO I forgot about that.
That sounds like a dumb joke which makes it being real 10x more funny.

cigarettes can fuck up your lungs, i wasn't saying cigarettes are good, but if your point is that videogames or cigarettes are an unnatural form of pleasure because they don't have any purpose is wrong because they are a pleasure with a purpose, to relieve the mind

Close to getting the point

 

[RyoQ]

it goes against the nature of human sexuality, your criteria for something being evil.

so thats not a bad comparison, thats a fitting comparison.

you're comparing one sexual dysfunction to another

asexuality is unnatural and thus evil, but not as unnatural nor evil as homosexuality

 

[Zenos7]

"it's also linked to pleasure, not reproduction"

LOL what the fuck is that pleasure for

does the body feel sexual pleasure just for it's own sake or is that pleasure (like all pleasures) ordered towards something beyond itself?

the body definitely feels the pleasure even without reproduction, and i have outlined some of the cases for this already.

and quite literally the female orgasm is not necessary for reproduction at all

 

[RyoQ]

Close to getting the point

different types of pleasure are catered towards different ends

in any case, banning gay marriage > banning cigarettes because the former is far more destructive to people than the latter

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

in any case, banning gay marriage > banning cigarettes because the former is far more destructive to people than the latter

How so?

 

[Zenos7]

no, that is a contradiction

why would a name reflect a gender? doesn't this imply gender has some biological or social genus?

actually, any external behavior changes associated with gender dysphoria contradict it. If transgender advocates were logically consistent, they would affirm one's gender but discourage changing names, changing their clothing, etc.

not biological, but definitely social. we distinguish between male and female names. (not all names can strictly be placed in this category though)

and no, if changing the name, clothing and whatnot is the only way to help with the gender dysphoria they are feeling.
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>is called "gender affirming care"
>changes their sexual biology

transgenderism is such a fucking contradiction, why the fuck would changing your sex affirm your gender identity if sex isn't gender

PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES are caused by your sex, if changing your PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES brings your gender into alignment, this means sex = gender

no one is changing sex. its literally biologically impossible. gender affirming care seeks to alter the appearance, not change anyones sex. if it could do that, whoever created it would get a nobel prize for sure.

 

[RyoQ]

the body definitely feels the pleasure even without reproduction, and i have outlined some of the cases for this already.

ok but your point is the body feels a pleasure for pleasure's sake

like no? there is a biological purpose and end to such a pleasure, just as there is a purpose to the pleasure we get from eating, we don't eat for the sake of eating

actually all pleasure is good only insofar as it serves it's proper end

 

[BleakAsh]

Hey, it makes them feel pleasure, pleasure is an end in of itself right so it's good


It is cooked what their reasoning entails when you take it to their logical conclusion. Just like Monster Zolo said a relationship is moral as long as it's between two consenting adults + is not physically harmful, even though there are incestuous relationships that would meet this criteria from time to time

Humanity is marked by evolution.
I'm sure the first gays had anal sex with females and then justified anal sex with men.

Alot of the STDs now a days are because of anal sex then using the same genitalia for vaginal sex.

Which results from mass promiscuity.

Which results from lack of moral order in the society

So alot of it needs to go down the drain in a society for homosexuality to be normalized.

Thats not to say homosexuals are evil.. NO

But its certainly disingenuous to conflate homosexuality as an act to homosexual as a person where latter has been told its the right thing to do and it is right to express yoir desires in the sense.

 

[RyoQ]

How so?

Something being legal that corrupts morals and perverts society > something that may worsen bodily health to some people

Gay sex is inherently gravely disordered, sterile behavior and is perverse as such and it being legal = tells society it's good when it is not

 

[Zenos7]

Why is the criteria for homosexuality being natrual premised on humping the same sex feeling good due to the innate nature of human genitalia.

Does that mean beastiality is natrual to human relations too if for instance a dog and a female both benefit from the interaction pleasure wise @Zenos7

nothing here makes any sense.

homosexuality being natural is what i said if we use natural in the sense of it occurs naturally, it occurs in nature. In that sense, homosexuality is very natural.

what i responded to here was a different usage of nature (that i first wasnt aware of), where the claim is about the nature of human sexual relations resulting in reproduction. i just threw in the pleasure aspect of sex because our genitals are definitely designed to experience pleasure, so their nature cant be solely about reproduction, because then our genitals feeling pleasure wouldnt be necessary at all.

i wasnt making any claim that homosexuality is natural or good because it is giving gay people pleasure lmao. i have absolute no way how you reached that conclusion.
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anal sex

oh yeah this also doesnt result in reproduction, so obviously its evil

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Why are y’all still giving Roku the time of day?? I don’t see any reason to entertain the notion of him being an actual human, nothing he says can be taken seriously unless you’re as pathetic and small as he is

 

[Zenos7]

Holy shit that fence is about to give way with how hard you're sitting on it. I'm asking if you disagree or agree, not how you personally feel about it

then sure, trump at least is somewhat pro-lgb
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What's the purpose of the need associated to get fucked in the ass ?

Are you gonna make a baby outta your asshole ? OR IS YOUR ASSHOLE DEMANDING DICKS FOR PLEASURE ?

blowjobs are also evil

 

[RyoQ]

then sure, trump at least is somewhat pro-lgb

And then you realize Kirk had the same politics on as Trump

Kirk was pro-lgb

yet i was told he was a Nazi or far right

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Why are y’all still giving Roku the time of day?? I don’t see any reason to entertain the notion of him being an actual human, nothing he says can be taken seriously unless you’re as pathetic and small as he is

Crashout.

 

[Zenos7]

Hey, it makes them feel pleasure, pleasure is an end in of itself right so it's good


It is cooked what their reasoning entails when you take it to their logical conclusion. Just like Monster Zolo said a relationship is moral as long as it's between two consenting adults + is not physically harmful, even though there are incestuous relationships that would meet this criteria from time to time

if only that wasnt me taking YOUR reasoning to their logical conclusion. im not advocating for gay sex here lmao
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We never do anything else for pleasure
We don't drink alcohol
Play video games
Smoke cigarettes
Gamble
Fuck multiple women/men
Etc.
And I imagine if we did do any of that, Ryo would also protest against all of that since he hates anything that's unnatural and "just done for pleasure"

talk for yourself only bitch. i love alcohol, weed, video games, fucking only one woman i am committed to in a serious relationship (but not yet married so im still going to hell TT_TT ), etc.

 

[RyoQ]

blowjobs are also evil

Ejac'ing in peoples mouths is evil yeah

Once you realize homosexuality is evil, it naturally follows many of the sexual behavior people engage in is quite lewd because of how perverted society has become

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Why are y’all still giving Roku the time of day?? I don’t see any reason to entertain the notion of him being an actual human, nothing he says can be taken seriously unless you’re as pathetic and small as he is

bro unironically said charlie kirk wasn't racist or homophobic lol
he's hopefully just trolling

 

[Zenos7]

Idgaf about all of America, it may very well become illegal in the certain areas of the country again even if it is not nationwide illegal

what certain areas?

wont ever be illegal nationwide again.

 

[RyoQ]

bro unironically said charlie kirk wasn't racist or homophobic lol
he's hopefully just trolling

LOL he said gays should be welcome in the conservative movement. He was pro LGB
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what certain areas?

wont ever be illegal nationwide again.

In certain states it could. Obviously a state like California won't ever ban it

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

LOL he said gays should be welcome in the conservative movement. He was pro LGB

Why do you always specifically say LGB and not LGBT