ok but your point is the body feels a pleasure for pleasure's sake
like no? there is a biological purpose and end to such a pleasure, just as there is a purpose to the pleasure we get from eating, we don't eat for the sake of eating
actually all pleasure is good only insofar as it serves it's proper end
Hey, it makes them feel pleasure, pleasure is an end in of itself right so it's good
It is cooked what their reasoning entails when you take it to their logical conclusion. Just like Monster Zolo said a relationship is moral as long as it's between two consenting adults + is not physically harmful, even though there are incestuous relationships that would meet this criteria from time to time
Humanity is marked by evolution.
I'm sure the first gays had anal sex with females and then justified anal sex with men.
Alot of the STDs now a days are because of anal sex then using the same genitalia for vaginal sex.
Which results from mass promiscuity.
Which results from lack of moral order in the society
So alot of it needs to go down the drain in a society for homosexuality to be normalized.
Thats not to say homosexuals are evil.. NO
But its certainly disingenuous to conflate homosexuality as an act to homosexual as a person where latter has been told its the right thing to do and it is right to express yoir desires in the sense.
Why is the criteria for homosexuality being natrual premised on humping the same sex feeling good due to the innate nature of human genitalia.
Does that mean beastiality is natrual to human relations too if for instance a dog and a female both benefit from the interaction pleasure wise @Zenos7
homosexuality being natural is what i said if we use natural in the sense of it occurs naturally, it occurs in nature. In that sense, homosexuality is very natural.
what i responded to here was a different usage of nature (that i first wasnt aware of), where the claim is about the nature of human sexual relations resulting in reproduction. i just threw in the pleasure aspect of sex because our genitals are definitely designed to experience pleasure, so their nature cant be solely about reproduction, because then our genitals feeling pleasure wouldnt be necessary at all.
i wasnt making any claim that homosexuality is natural or good because it is giving gay people pleasure lmao. i have absolute no way how you reached that conclusion.
Why are y’all still giving Roku the time of day?? I don’t see any reason to entertain the notion of him being an actual human, nothing he says can be taken seriously unless you’re as pathetic and small as he is
Holy shit that fence is about to give way with how hard you're sitting on it. I'm asking if you disagree or agree, not how you personally feel about it
Why are y’all still giving Roku the time of day?? I don’t see any reason to entertain the notion of him being an actual human, nothing he says can be taken seriously unless you’re as pathetic and small as he is
Hey, it makes them feel pleasure, pleasure is an end in of itself right so it's good
It is cooked what their reasoning entails when you take it to their logical conclusion. Just like Monster Zolo said a relationship is moral as long as it's between two consenting adults + is not physically harmful, even though there are incestuous relationships that would meet this criteria from time to time
We never do anything else for pleasure
We don't drink alcohol
Play video games
Smoke cigarettes
Gamble
Fuck multiple women/men
Etc.
And I imagine if we did do any of that, Ryo would also protest against all of that since he hates anything that's unnatural and "just done for pleasure"
talk for yourself only bitch. i love alcohol, weed, video games, fucking only one woman i am committed to in a serious relationship (but not yet married so im still going to hell TT_TT ), etc.
Once you realize homosexuality is evil, it naturally follows many of the sexual behavior people engage in is quite lewd because of how perverted society has become
Why are y’all still giving Roku the time of day?? I don’t see any reason to entertain the notion of him being an actual human, nothing he says can be taken seriously unless you’re as pathetic and small as he is
It's not an appeal to nature, you are using the definition of nature as = in the wild, I am using it in the teleological/philosophical sense where it is a synonym for essence
eh, you are really just using a different word for natural, so you are still kind of doing an appeal to nature, just with a different basis than i used in my hypothetical.
but that was my point of the post you quoted here, because you said i was doing an appeal to nature, depsite me only doing a hypothetical.
Obviously because Trump, Kirk (and most normies conservatives) only take issue with transgenders but almost never attack gay marriage?
Hence why I don't even identify with the mainstream conservative or Republicans, they represent a different faction than the far-right which bare minimum calls for ending gay marriage. The right is not a hegemon
the end of our reproductive organs are reproductive ends, so them committing inherently sterile actions like gay sex is a failure in it achieving it's end, making it unnatural and thus evil
this is why i thought of the regular meaning of "natural", because i have talked to religious folks telling me people arent born gay, they are made gay in some way, and therefore not "natural".
Sexual acts have to be ordered towards sexual ends so yes
Some of these things, morally, can fall under "foreplay" if during sex they are used but the action still concludes in copulation. Homosexual acts can never conclude in that so they are always evil
ok but your point is the body feels a pleasure for pleasure's sake
like no? there is a biological purpose and end to such a pleasure, just as there is a purpose to the pleasure we get from eating, we don't eat for the sake of eating
actually all pleasure is good only insofar as it serves it's proper end
my point is that you describing our reproductive organs with having the nature to reproduce is not painting the full picture for the convenience of your argument.
Humanity is marked by evolution.
I'm sure the first gays had anal sex with females and then justified anal sex with men.
Alot of the STDs now a days are because of anal sex then using the same genitalia for vaginal sex.
Which results from mass promiscuity.
Which results from lack of moral order in the society
So alot of it needs to go down the drain in a society for homosexuality to be normalized.
Thats not to say homosexuals are evil.. NO
But its certainly disingenuous to conflate homosexuality as an act to homosexual as a person where latter has been told its the right thing to do and it is right to express yoir desires in the sense.
Yet it has proven to occur naturally in nature, and scientist spent centuries trying to find some sort of "gay gene" within humans to prove it is a genetic mutation/abnormality and found nothing.
People really be saying dumb shit to fuel to their own personal biases.
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