Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

the structure is exactly according to your taste

I know cause I was one of the core members

And you know what is funny? I actually never read the Bible or the Coran or the Torah. I don't really care about these stories.

But If I was talking about these stories the same way people here are talking about One Piece, I would be banned in less than a week.

One Piece is literally a piece of my identity, I've lived with the story more than with my parents. It breaks my hearts everytimes I see an unlegitimate critics (and I have a lot of legitimate ones myself).

The safety of this thriller Bark forum is probably not what made it sink. What made forums sink in the first place is the fact that it's not fun to interact on them.

I'm stayin here because I'm addicted to notification and political reason and because I find it fun to have political debate (which is a place were conflict is legitimate to a certain degree)

.. but One Piece?

It's not fun to interact here about OP unless you seek to trash on someone's elses opinion or thread. When you bring something that make people actually question the story in a weird way, you are met with that kind of toxicity.

It simply not fun.

 

[Blax Blah]

- Dude. Do you understand what it's like to see people talk about One Piece in this forum when you are actually loving the story?

- Do you know what it's like to be a trans women and see people explaining for 3000+ page that trans women are not women without any kind of moderation?

- Do you understand what it's like to be handicaped or with a mental condition and see people call others and yourself autists, retard or parasite every 5 pages without any kind of moderation?

When I say that I'm not considering you as a leftist and when I'm trying to explain how just like any cop you are protecting an oppressive system, I'm referencing to this liberal tendancy of yours to consider free speech (but mostly hatefull rethoric) as a simple difference of opinion that "you can't really act upon on".

You have the power. It's not the rules that make your choices, it's you and your ethics. I can't respect your power here if I see it used without ethics. And by usage I include also the fact of allowing people to spread hate without reacting.

I'm not angry or anything. I'm just trying to wake you up because you are the one mod here who is the closest to understand this principle. Like I said, I'm not doing this to harm the forum, but to make it a better place.

It's a simple question of choice.



I'm not talking about this thread specifically.



It's already dying and it's not because it's fun.


We can simply tell him to stop. It's one thing to say it once, it's another to be allowed to spread it for 3000 pages.

I wish there was more positivity, for me Wano was amazing, and I cried the moment I saw Luffy with the wavy hair

 

[AL sama]

And you know what is funny? I actually never read the Bible or the Coran or the Torah. I don't really care about these stories.

But If I was talking about these stories the same way people here are talking about One Piece, I would be banned in less than a week.

One Piece is literally a piece of my identity, I've lived with the story more than with my parents. It breaks my hearts everytimes I see an unlegitimate critics (and I have a lot of legitimate ones myself).

The safety of this thriller Bark forum is probably not what made it sink. What made forums sink in the first place is the fact that it's not fun to interact on them.

I'm stayin here because I'm addicted to notification and political reason and because I find it fun to have political debate (which is a place were conflict is legitimate to a certain degree)

.. but One Piece?

It's not fun to interact here about OP unless you seek to trash on someone's elses opinion or thread. When you bring something that make people actually question the story in a weird way, you are met with that kind of toxicity.

It simply not fun.

TLDR??

 

[Zenos7]

It does but I just don't see a reason to see the bible as this infallible and amazing thing
I don't even know if god is real why would I trust what he says?

i dont care about the bible either, but thats what the sin shit is about my guy.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

i dont care about the bible either, but thats what the sin shit is about my guy.

fair i guess

 

[Logiko]

I wish there was more positivity, for me Wano was amazing, and I cried the moment I saw Luffy with the wavy hair

I don't remember crying on this specific moment, I was just in shock and awe but there are so many moments where it was amazing. Wano is one of the arcs I love watching reaction the most as it is so full of twist and revelation and amazing tearfull moments.

Wano, Whole cake and now Egghead, it's so fun. People here are completely missing the train

TLDR??

Case and point

 

[RyoQ]

Trust me that when he says "homosexuality is unatural and a sin and bad" he is targetting every gay or lesbian users on this forum.

Sin gets religious.

I promised my arguments about homosexual actions being evil would be strictly philosophical (I know you will flip out over this)

 

[Blax Blah]

It does but I just don't see a reason to see the bible as this infallible and amazing thing
I don't even know if god is real why would I trust what he says?

It depends on if you believe Jesus is God or not

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John 14:6



“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

 

[Logiko]

bla bla bla

I won't entertain you anymore. Spread hate on your own

 

[RyoQ]

Are you saying that it's not ok to lie to the gestapo if you say "I'm not hidding jews" when in fact you do are hidding jews from being deported and exterminated in the context of the occupation of France by Nazi ?

No. You can say something deceptive but that is true, because to say true things is not inherently evil, but lying is.

In such a situation, I would derail the conversation or say "They might be in another location", and give a location they could technically be in.

 

[Logiko]

No. You can say something deceptive but that is true, because to say true things is not inherently evil, but lying is.

In such a situation, I would derail the conversation or say "They might be in another location", and give a location they could technically be in.

Is saying "no there are no jews in my basement" (when there are, to save them) an immoral thing to say ?

Answer

 

[RyoQ]

you are presupposing that everything in life has a purpose, that you know the purpose of everything, and that other people’s interpretations are less valid.

No, that isn't a presupposition, everything does have a telos or purpose. Actually, as a part of defining things that exist, we define them based on their final ends

Human faculties are especially easy to pin down. We can reason instantly the heart is ordered to pump blood, our hands are ordered to sense our surroundings, our genitals are ordered towards disposing of waste and reproducing.

 

[Blax Blah]

It depends on if you believe Jesus is God or not

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John 14:6



“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

If just a God exists then that doesn't say anything except he created everything

If Jesus is God then you have a lot more to look into, by his own words he is the way and the truth

You could wave it away and think he's lying in the Bible if you want to, but what reference there is of Jesus outside of the Bible, just confirms the narrative the Bible gives of him

Plus accounts of early christians also confirm that narrative of his teaching

He could have created everything and made it all so elaborately and pretended to love you as a way to prank you, you can choose that if you want to

But then you'd be thinking God took on everybody's sin, every nazi, every rapist, every pedophile, every thief, everybody ever, and suffered it in a mortal body as if he committed all those sins, took them on himself, and sacrificed himself for us to be able to have them forgiven, just to mess you up

He also can't sin according to the Bible so if you believe Jesus is God, and are reffering to the Bible Jesus, disregarding the Bible as false isn't an option

 

[RyoQ]

Is saying "no there are no jews in my basement" (when there are, to save them) an immoral thing to say ?

Answer

Obviously, because it is lying

Immoral deed can never justify a good end

You can say "There are Jews in this town, perhaps in that other house", or "I saw them in that outhouse earlier (knowing they are not there anymore, but this would still be a factual statement)".

But lying is evil so it would be evil there to. Although it would be reduced culpability because of extreme circumstance

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It depends on if you believe Jesus is God or not

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John 14:6



“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

No I just genuinely don't believe in any of that stuff
Not saying it's bad to believe in it as I couldn't care less what you believe in so long as you don't use it to harm anyone in anyway
But I personally am agnostic
Mostly because I will never have proof of how we came to be, and I don't know if anyone else ever will.

 

[Logiko]

Obviously, because it is lying

Immoral deed can never justify a good end

You can say "There are Jews in this town, perhaps in that other house", or "I saw them in that outhouse earlier (knowing they are not there anymore, but this would still be a factual statement)".

But lying is evil so it would be evil there to. Although it would be reduced culpability because of extreme circumstance

That should be enough @Uncle Van

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Obviously, because it is lying

Immoral deed can never justify a good end

You can say "There are Jews in this town, perhaps in that other house", or "I saw them in that outhouse earlier (knowing they are not there anymore, but this would still be a factual statement)".

But lying is evil so it would be evil there to. Although it would be reduced culpability because of extreme circumstance

Murder is evil too
And I don't imagine they're going to have a tea party with the Jews in your basement and play mario party 3 with them
lol

 

[Blax Blah]

No I just genuinely don't believe in any of that stuff
Not saying it's bad to believe in it as I couldn't care less what you believe in so long as you don't use it to harm anyone in anyway
But I personally am agnostic
Mostly because I will never have proof of how we came to be, and I don't know if anyone else ever will.

Alrighty but I think there's two things you should consider:

1. The device you are using now can not come about by chance, you are way more complex than the device you are using, so you also can not exist by chance, and are created intentionally by someone

If you can't believe a phone can appear by chance without being made by someone, how is it possible to believe that you can come about by chance without being made by someone?


2. Similar DNA between some animals' bodies and the human body does not necesarilly mean a common ancestor

There may be only so many ways to build a body

Imagine applying this principle to code or to engineering, some principles in these fields are applied everywhere, yet that does not mean they are branches from one original program, it's just that the way different programs are built has them have some similar parts in the code, because there are only so many ways to build a program

As far as I know every program has different data types in its code, it's just the way a program is built, that's shared among all of them, but it doesn't mean a browser is something % similar to a game, like a chimp DNA being something % similar to human DNA, it has nothing to do with a common origin, just the way bodies are made

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I stopped listening to randos on the internet and decided to listen to people who actually put the work in through history.

You say this but at the end of the day you listen to Graham Hancock.

the nature of a pencil is that it's made of wood and lead,

Where do you live that they still sell pencils with lead?!

bro unironically said charlie kirk wasn't racist or homophobic lol
he's hopefully just trolling

He's a bot or someone's alt account

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No, that isn't a presupposition, everything does have a telos or purpose.

that is your personal belief