General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[MonochromeYoru]

① Narrative with regards to the battle against the WG strongly indicates he will join the SHs given 1.) how much emphasis Oda's put on Rocks/Harald relationship and the emphasis on how significant Harald joining Rocks would've made on the war Rocks raged against the WG be it coz of Harald's strength or the legandary DF on Elbaf which according to Rocks would only reach it's full potential if Harald eats it. Rocks ultimately lost to the WG, but Luffy is bound to succeed where Rocks couldn't be it recruiting Harald or taking down the WG.

All this works if he's an ally too. Like in grand fleet.

② Loki's characterization is a bit too unique for him to be just a one-arc character be it how unique he is even as an Ancient Giant or the fact that he was ostracized and is an outcast like most of the SHs. In this aspect Loki is much closer to the typical SH than a Yamato or a Carrot.

It's not any more unique than yamatoe. She was also ostracized and outcasted by her father and co.
Yamatoe was the child of the saga villain, with a retarded identity crisis, was an oni, and had a mythical df.

③ Hajurudin will always be in Loki's shadow if the latter remains on Elbaf and his dream to become the King of Elbaf is quite literally a pipe dream with Loki in the picture. The notion that a shadow as big as Loki will take a backseat to Hadrujin on Elbaf for the latter to shine is pie in the sky imo.

So hajrudin gets the king of giants crown by loki just handing it over to him from pity and dipping?
Hajrudin and Loki are basically Harald's two aspects.

The great mighty ancient giant warrior. And the progressive human loving leader.

Loki and Hajrudin together will be Harald's second coming.

④ Loki's age is too much of a coincidence. Dude is the same age as Zoro and Sanji (63 / 3 = 21), so he'd fit pretty nicely in that M3 dynamic in a way that Jinbe cannot for instance. Plus the fact that he's only 21 is a strong indication that there's still room for growth for him so it is unlikely that he's as strong as a lot on here think he is even if he's a beast. Loki is mostly likely a power house but as has become pretty evident in recent chapters things aren't really what they seem with him (gone are the days when mofos thought he was gonna be antagonist

No.

Jumbo already fits in with the M3 dynamic as a tool to clown sanji.

Loki doesn't. Cause Loki is outright stronger than both zoro and sanji. He's most likely on the level of goofy actually.

There's a lot being said about him but what we do know is that he lost to Shanks 6 years ago. Luffy should at the very least be as strong as Shanks was back then which will make Loki weaker than him

Loki also had 6 years to grow.

That considered would you still say the gap between him and Zoro and Sanji is that big? so big that it cannot be offset but those two getting additional power ups this arc even?

Yes absolutely.

You yourself just said that Loki is young and has time to grow still. So if he gets the shp growth rate, zoro and sanji will never catch up to him.



Putting all of that aside. Loki is literally larger than the sunny. He will not join. This is Y4N and C4N all over again.

Loki will become the Co-ruler of elfab along with Hajrudin. Both are princes. Elfab already has co-ruler customs that date back centuries with Jarul and Jorul, Dorry and Broggy etc.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

All Yamato had going for her was tits and her design 💀

All the overgrown giant has going for him is a cool design and powerscaling

 

[MonochromeYoru]

To laugh at after elfab is over in 6 years (3 of those years gonna be solely the Loki Harald Roger Kuja Rocks GV flashback)

 

[Juanpiz]

All the overgrown giant has going for him is a cool design and powerscaling

And Family Connection

 

[PuckTheGreat]

All this works if he's an ally too. Like in grand fleet.

Loki will overlap with Hadrujin in the Grand Fleet so this argument doesn't really work.

It's not any more unique than yamatoe. She was also ostracized and outcasted by her father and co.
Yamatoe was the child of the saga villain, with a retarded identity crisis, was an oni, and had a mythical df.

Bruv, Loki is a Ancient Giant that literally looks like demon-incarnate. An existence that is feared and detested by both the Ancient and Regular Giants on Elbaf and a Giant like no other in the story, even Harald who's getting glazed to the heavens isn't as unqiue as Loki is blood-line wise. Feels like you're throwing together a bunch of stuff to make Yamato unique but even using those arguments you made Loki still stomps Yamato on every single one of them

Child of Xebec's Equal > Child of Saga Villain even if that villian was Kaido
Devil Incarnate who's release is said will lead to destruction of the world / Claims to be god Nika > Retarded Identity Crisis
Ancient Giant (even more of a pure blood than Harald in all likelihood) > Oni?
Legendary DF one that is being regarded has a necesseity to take down the WG > Mythical Zoan

So hajrudin gets the king of giants crown by loki just handing it over to him from pity and dipping?
Hajrudin and Loki are basically Harald's two aspects.

The great mighty ancient giant warrior. And the progressive human loving leader.

Loki and Hajrudin together will be Harald's second coming.

This is lowkey forced tbh, Hadrujin is nothing like the liberal side of Harald. Honestly I think he'd have been better written if Oda went that route to be honest but Hadrujin is pretty much like your regular Giant and is not looking to lead through diplomacy but rather strength (RIP lol) but I see what you're getting at with this regardless but don't really agree.

No.

Jumbo already fits in with the M3 dynamic as a tool to clown sanji.

Loki doesn't. Cause Loki is outright stronger than both zoro and sanji. He's most likely on the level of goofy actually.

I doubt he's as strong as Luffy but regardless Loki being stronger than both Zoro and Sanji atm doesn't mean much as they can always surpass him with significant power ups. Luffy has and will always be relative to Zoro and Sanji so Loki is not insurmountable.
CoC wise for instance Elbaf Zoro will most likely be more competent than Egghead Luffy given he will be able to hurt immortals.

Loki also had 6 years to grow.

In chains?

Yes absolutely.

You yourself just said that Loki is young and has time to grow still. So if he gets the shp growth rate, zoro and sanji will never catch up to him.

Given Loki's potential as an unprecedented ancient giant and Harald's son, his ceiling is higher than even Roger's but he prolly will never reach Roger's heights. Plus Zoro and Sanji are not run off the mill either. Zoro is quite literally Ryuma incarnate and Sanji is already a unique species at this point due to his lineage factor.

Putting all of that aside. Loki is literally larger than the sunny. He will not join. This is Y4N and C4N all over again.

Loki will become the Co-ruler of elfab along with Hajrudin. Both are princes. Elfab already has co-ruler customs that date back centuries with Jarul and Jorul, Dorry and Broggy etc.

Not if he has a transfiguration type ability which is very much a possibilty with a mythical zoan even more so one that is said to be legendary. Hell reckon it's feasible even if he turns out to have the Gomu Gomu Fruit.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

And Family Connection

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Yamato4Nakama
All Yamato had going for her was tits and her design 💀
There was nothing organic about Yamato joining the SHs in my opinion but I digress

That's bs and you know it😂

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Loki will almost certainly join the SHs imo.

① Narrative with regards to the battle against the WG strongly indicates he will join the SHs given 1.) how much emphasis Oda's put on Rocks/Harald relationship and the emphasis on how significant Harald joining Rocks would've made on the war Rocks raged against the WG be it coz of Harald's strength or the legandary DF on Elbaf which according to Rocks would only reach it's full potential if Harald eats it. Rocks ultimately lost to the WG, but Luffy is bound to succeed where Rocks couldn't be it recruiting Harald (Loki) or taking down the WG.

② Loki's characterization is a bit too unique for him to be just a one-arc character be it how unique he is even as an Ancient Giant or the fact that he was ostracized and is an outcast like most of the SHs. In this aspect Loki is much closer to the typical SH than a Yamato or a Carrot.


③ Hajurudin will always be in Loki's shadow if the latter remains on Elbaf and his dream to become the King of Elbaf is quite literally a pipe dream with Loki in the picture. The notion that a shadow as big as Loki will take a backseat to Hadrujin on Elbaf for the latter to shine is pie in the sky imo.

④ Loki's age is too much of a coincidence. Dude is the same age as Zoro and Sanji (63 / 3 = 21), so he'd fit pretty nicely in that M3 dynamic in a way that Jinbe cannot for instance. Plus the fact that he's only 21 is a strong indication that there's still room for growth for him so it is unlikely that he's as strong as a lot on here think he is even if he's a beast. Loki is mostly likely a power house but as has become pretty evident in recent chapters things aren't really what they seem with him (gone are the days when mofos thought he was gonna be antagonist of Elbaf ). There's a lot being said about him but what we do know is that he lost to Shanks 6 years ago. Luffy should at the very least be as strong as Shanks was back then which will make Loki weaker than him. That considered would you still say the gap between him and Zoro and Sanji is that big? so big that it cannot be offset but those two getting additional power ups this arc even? Keep in mind that Zoro and Sanji are relative to Luffy.

1. Let’s wait till we finish the flashback in regards to the legendary fruit. It’s a prominent theory that this is the Nika fruit since Elbaf worshipped Nika.

2. The ostracizing and the unique bloodline is the same as our previous captured pink haired princess rebecca.

3. Hajrudin doesn’t want to be king of Elbaf, he wants to be king of all giants. Equivalent to a High King of all Giant nations throughout the world. Loki being king of Elbaf while Hajrudin becomes king of all giants aligns with odas current writing style as it would be equivalent to how Momo is the Shogun of Wano, but not the strongest warrior.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Bruv, Loki is a Ancient Giant that literally looks like demon-incarnate. An existence that is feared and detested by both the Ancient and Regular Giants on Elbaf and a Giant like no other in the story, even Harald who's getting glazed to the heavens isn't as unqiue as Loki is blood-line wise. Feels like you're throwing together a bunch of stuff to make Yamato unique but even using those arguments you made Loki still stomps Yamato on every single one of them

Child of Xebec's Equal > Child of Saga Villain even if that villian was Kaido
Devil Incarnate who's release is said will lead to destruction of the world / Claims to be god Nika > Retarded Identity Crisis
Ancient Giant (even more of a pure blood than Harald in all likelihood) > Oni?
Legendary DF one that is being regarded has a necesseity to take down the WG > Mythical Zoan

Bro back in wano, yamatoe was every bit unique as Loki currently is

But post onigashima, oda just vomited out mythical zoans and special races like crazy. We got like 5 mythical zoans, 2 awakened zones, a super special race etc all in the arc right after wano. That's why yamatoe is looking less special now.

But back then, she had a lot going for her just like Loki does now. But none of that panned out in the end did it?

I doubt he's as strong as Luffy but regardless Loki being stronger than both Zoro and Sanji atm doesn't mean much as they can always surpass him with significant power ups. Luffy has and will always be relative to Zoro and Sanji so Loki is not insurmountable.
CoC wise for instance Elbaf Zoro will most likely be competent that Egghead Luffy given he will be able to hurt immortals.

We saw a partially sea stoned Loki do an attack. That alone had haki lightning similar to goofy's best. Add full haki and df on top of that and Loki is above goofy easily.

Loki also has acoc and he's also not proficient in it from the talk with gaben. So he also can get way better. So the gap between him and zoro wouldn't get closer. It would at worst stay the same.

In chains?

Ancient giant physics

Jarul grew into a gigantic size in his 400s. An ancient giant like Loki getting bigger and stronger while doing nothing is not that surprising.

Given Loki's potential as an unprecedented ancient giant and Harald's son, his ceiling is higher than even Roger's but he prolly will never reach Roger's heights. Plus Zoro and Sanji are not run off the mill either. Zoro is quite literally Ryuma incarnate and Sanji is already a unique species at this point due to his lineage factor.

zoro is not on ryuma's level yet. He has a long way to go.

Loki is not yet Harald level either obviously. But if he joins the shp, he will get the growth boost too. He won't just stop getting stronger. Especially since he's the exact same age as zoro and sanji like you said.

"he prolly will never reach roger's height" That's such a funny take lol. All shp, or at the very least the combat oriented ones, are designed to surpass their parallels. If Loki joins, that will apply to him too and he will surpass Harald.

As it stands, Loki is above zoro easily. As is evident with his bounty being more than double.

Not if he has a transfiguration type ability which is very much a possibilty with a mythical zoan even more so one that is said to be legendary. Hell reckon it's feasible even if he turns out to have the Gomu Gomu Fruit.

Your entire L4N relies on Loki having a very niche conditional ability lol. All indications of the df so far has been about it being a broken destructive df. Not a utility type df that allows you to change sizes.

and Loki having gomu gomu does not help. Cause goofy cannot change his size to become smaller. He could only become smaller as a side effect of g3 and even that was on a very short cooldown.

He just doesn't fit with the shp.

I honestly think Yamatoe or Carrot both still have way better chances of joining than Loki does. And neither of them will join.

 

[mmd]

So people didn't learn anything from Wano
Sanji is much weaker than Loki and at the end of this arc nothing will change and Zoro is unlikely to even come close to Loki's level
The conclusion is very simple who will be Loki's opponent in Teach's crew?
Aokiji?
Now how are you going to prove that Sanji and Zoro are stronger than Aokiji when their opponents are supposed to be Lafitte and Shiryu?
There was a reason Oda made coby, Kata and Law the enemies of Teach because Luffy doesn't need another member

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

So people didn't learn anything from Wano
Sanji is much weaker than Loki and at the end of this arc nothing will change and Zoro is unlikely to even come close to Loki's level
The conclusion is very simple who will be Loki's opponent in Teach's crew?
Aokiji?
Now how are you going to prove that Sanji and Zoro are stronger than Aokiji when their opponents are supposed to be Lafitte and Shiryu?
There was a reason Oda made coby, Kata and Law the enemies of Teach because Luffy doesn't need another member

If Loki were to join he would fight San Juan Wolf because there's no chance Oda wouldn't make the literal giant character fight the literal giant character.

The problem with this is San Juan's portrayal is poor. He's been nothing but a punching bag. A far cry from the level of portrayal Loki got without even being in a fight on-screen.

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

If Loki were to join he would fight San Juan Wolf because there's no chance Oda wouldn't make the literal giant character fight the literal giant character.

The problem with this is San Juan's portrayal is poor. He's been nothing but a punching bag. A far cry from the level of portrayal Loki got without even being in a fight on-screen.

San juan wolf is franky enemy, oda love giant robot, franky power up would be a bigger megazord

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

San juan wolf is franky enemy, oda love giant robot, franky power up would be a bigger megazord

In reality? Definitely

In Loki4Nakama Piece? Loki would obviously fight him because Oda is never passing up on a Kaiju battle. And Loki would stomp him

 

[Pot Goblin]

Loki4Nakama

Spoiler

For Blackbeard's crew

 

[Reborn]

Lol

Anti Loki bros are hilarious.

They - Loki won't join SHs because he will break wings dynamics

Also they - Loki will join BB (ignoring all the bond build up SHs will gradually get with Loki)


Bruh....who among the SHs will fight Loki then?

Reality is they are just vivi, yamao, carrot, bonney fans who are feeling insecure with rising chances of Loki joining SH....

 

[Monkey D Al]

Gaban wouldn't feel the need to test Luffy if he was one tap material for a yonko

What does this have to do with Shanks and Loki?

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

What does this have to do with Shanks and Loki?

You just said Loki was neg diff material for Shanks.. A yonko.
So why did Gaban need to even test Luffy when he's got the same title? Just give the boy the key, Loki is trash and YC1 level afterall

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Is there a valid argument to support Loki not joining?

 

[Reborn]

Is there a valid argument to support Loki not joining?

Just headcannon

 

[Monkey D Al]

You just said Loki was neg diff material for Shanks.. A yonko.
So why did Gaban need to even test Luffy when he's got the same title? Just give the boy the key, Loki is trash and YC1 level afterall

I didn’t say he neg diffed him. I said we don’t know if he neg difed him or if it was a hard fought battle.
Also gaban stopped the moment he saw the Nika transformation. For me it seemed more like he wanted to test Luffy and see if he is all that, that shanks and ray see in him.
also titles don’t mean shit in OP.