Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

It's ok to be both those things mate. No need to be insecure about it.



Nop. I'm actually using a marxist materialistist and intersectionnal lens.

What you read here from me is only based on the knowledge distributed by people much more knowledgable than me and you.

You & me, are two class ennemies. In both real life and the virtual. What I'm trying to do, is open your eyes on this conflict.

So you ignore any evidence that goes against your subjective interpretation of things said by more knowledgeable people, and slap false labels that is contradicted by the definition, core values, and historical context of what you claim.

When we try to defend someone, we usually do it because we identify with them.

Dangerously closed minded.

 

[RyoQ]

add king of strawmanning, i guess?

what the fuck, Jew is literally calling the right pedophiles for praising Barron, I am merely saying they are not

Blocked for being a semantic idiot with no opinions and whose role in this chat seems to be picking at those who do. I respect Jews unhinged ass takes more than whatever this is

 

[Logiko]

Bruh.....

I don't identify with Al sama in any way lol

Stop assuming things and passing them as judgements

Dangerously closed minded.

No, it's a simple social and material reality of human empathy.

We have empathy for people we identify with and we lack empathy for people we don't identify with.

And the lack of identification is one of the social reasons why dehumanizations and genocides are still happening today.

So you ignore any evidence that goes against your subjective interpretation of things said by more knowledgeable people, and slap false labels that is contradicted by the definition, core values, and historical context of what you claim.

Conflicts are the results of the clash between different interests related to material conditions

On this forum, I usually use labels to shock and make people understand the gap between my vision and theirs.

It's a way to say, "we are currently X label" appart.

 

[RyoQ]

Conflicts are the results difference of interests related to material conditions of existence.

Don't really see the point of saying this

 

[Logiko]

Don't really see the point of saying this

It's necessary because without this you can't understand that the reasons I label people is more than just a personnal conflict with people.

I have material interests in making society & this forum better, inclusive & equitable places (surviving/Being Happy/sharing about OP)

The reason why people are entering in conflict is simply because they have material interest to oppose these wishes in their configuration.

 

[Reborn]

No, it's a simple social and material reality of human empathy.

We have empathy for people we identify with and we lack empathy for people we don't identify with.

And the lack of identification is one of the social reasons why dehumanizations and genocides are still happening today.


Conflicts are the results of the clash between different interests related to material conditions

On this forum, I usually use labels to shock and make people understand the gap between my vision and theirs.

It's a way to say, "we are currently X label" appart.

You know what's your problem is? You have habit of assuming things based on your understanding, knowledge or experiences and then brush aside other people's opinion by saying " you don't know" or "I am talking from scientific lens"


Your knowledge is incomplete. Your perspectives are shallow and often one sided.


Identification amplifies empathy but it's not the sole source of empathy. One can show empathy without identification.

And, Genocides goes beyond identification as well. It's a systematic abuse, manipulation and politically engineered act

Infact, over - identification with one group might lead to hostility towards other groups thus can also become seed of genocides.

 

[RyoQ]

The reason why people are entering in conflict is simply because they have material interest to oppose these wishes in their configuration.

it is watering it down/oversimplifying to say behaviors that lead to genocide such as in Palestine are merely due to material phenomenon

 

[Uncle Van]

You know what's your problem is? You have habit of assuming things based on your understanding, knowledge or experiences and then brush aside other people's opinion by saying " you don't know" or "I am talking from scientific lens"


Your knowledge is incomplete. Your perspectives are shallow and often one sided.


Identification amplifies empathy but it's not the sole source of empathy. One can show empathy without identification.

And, Genocides goes beyond identification as well. It's a systematic abuse, manipulation and politically engineered act

Infact, over - identification with one group might lead to hostility towards other groups thus can also become seed of genocides.

To be more accurate, he has his own subjective opinions but tries his hardest to make it seem like what he says is actually rooted in objective truth, ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Guy A- are you a OP fan?
Guy B- yes
Guy A- do like Luffy as a character?
Guy B- Nope
Guy A- then you cant be a OP fan since Luffy is the core of the series

Que a bunch of anti-intellectual roundabouts to justify such a conclusion.

 

[RyoQ]

Guy A- are you a OP fan?
Guy B- yes
Guy A- do like Luffy as a character?
Guy B- Nope
Guy A- then you cant be a OP fan since Luffy is the core of the series

He kinda does the same thing with leftism and this must be why he thinks he is the only leftist on the forum

 

[Logiko]

You know what's your problem is? You have habit of assuming things based on your understanding, knowledge or experiences and then brush aside other people's opinion by saying " you don't know" or "I am talking from scientific lens"


Your knowledge is incomplete. Your perspectives are shallow and often one sided.


Identification amplifies empathy but it's not the sole source of empathy. One can show empathy without identification.

And, Genocides goes beyond identification as well. It's a systematic abuse, manipulation and politically engineered act

Infact, over - identification with one group might lead to hostility towards other groups thus can also become seed of genocides.

My knowledge and understanding is indeed incomplete. I acknowledge this defect, but it doesn't necessarily means that I'm wrong.

Identification amplifies empathy but it's not the sole source of empathy. One can show empathy without identification.

Ok, give me exemple please.

And, Genocides goes beyond identification as well. It's a systematic abuse, manipulation and politically engineered act

Indeed you are right. That's why I precised that the lack of identification was just "one of the reasons". In reality, the lack of identification that creates a genocide is the result of a domination and exploitation system and a cosmic contradictions between two opposing material interests, a subjegated and a dominant. A structural and systemic problem.

Infact, over - identification with one group might lead to hostility towards other groups thus can also become seed of genocides.

For exemple ?

it is watering it down/oversimplifying to say behaviors that lead to genocide such as in Palestine are merely due to material phenomenon

That's actually a complexification.

Extending the vision of this conflict to a reading between an oppressive force with colonial interests and a population who needs to survive and not being ejected from their own land is allowing us to understand clearly the relationship of domination at place.

To be more accurate, he has his own subjective opinions but tries his hardest to make it seem like what he says is actually rooted in objective truth, ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Guy A- are you a OP fan?
Guy B- yes
Guy A- do like Luffy as a character?
Guy B- Nope
Guy A- then you cant be a OP fan since Luffy is the core of the series

Que a bunch of anti-intellectual roundabouts to justify such a conclusion.

That's what we call.. a strawman. Usually the conversation goes like this:

Guy A - Trash OP on multiple threads because of denied illegitimate expectation and bad material condition of interaction with the story
Me - You are wrong, you trash OP because you have illegitimate expectation and bad material condition of interaction witht the story

 

[Reborn]

To be more accurate, he has his own subjective opinions but tries his hardest to make it seem like what he says is actually rooted in objective truth, ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Guy A- are you a OP fan?
Guy B- yes
Guy A- do like Luffy as a character?
Guy B- Nope
Guy A- then you cant be a OP fan since Luffy is the core of the series

Que a bunch of anti-intellectual roundabouts to justify such a conclusion.

Your phrased it nicely.

He's dogmatic and dismissive of other people opinions if they don't align with his world view. He developed habit of gate keeping, that's why he often come across as controlling.

 

[RyoQ]

Extending the vision of this conflict to a reading between a oppressive force with colonial interests and a population who needs to survive and not being ejected from their own land is allowing us to understand clearly the relationship of domination at place.

Well, it is indeed colonial interests and survival of the fittest. But materialism cannot account for morals and would reduce what Israel is doing to matter interacting with matter

 

[Roo]

You know what's your problem is? You have habit of assuming things based on your understanding, knowledge or experiences and then brush aside other people's opinion by saying " you don't know" or "I am talking from scientific lens"


Your knowledge is incomplete. Your perspectives are shallow and often one sided.


Identification amplifies empathy but it's not the sole source of empathy. One can show empathy without identification.

And, Genocides goes beyond identification as well. It's a systematic abuse, manipulation and politically engineered act

Infact, over - identification with one group might lead to hostility towards other groups thus can also become seed of genocides.

tbf irrc logiko has been honest about having narcissistic tendencies

 

[RyoQ]

if everything is matter, then isn't what Israel doing just ultimately some bits of matter attacking other bits of matter? no "good" or "evil", just atoms moving around
@Logiko

 

[Reborn]

tbf irrc logiko has been honest about having narcissistic tendencies

Wear an avy

I don't talk to partially nude people

 

[Roo]

Wear an avy

I don't talk to partially nude people

the plan was to eventually delete my account

 

[Reborn]

the plan was to eventually delete my account

Why?

You can't dip before we see Law and BB greatness.

Furthermore, you can't leave this forum and let law fandom in the hands of two clowns @MonochromeYoru and @K!NG HARA$H!MA

 

[Logiko]

He's dogmatic and dismissive of other people opinions if they don't align with his world view. He developed habit of gate keeping, that's why he often come across as controlling.

Gatekeeping? I never stopped sharing everything I know...

and survival of the fittest.

This situation didn't happen because of survival. It's a situation of domination created by a power colonizing a land for material interests.

But materialism cannot account for morals and would reduce what Israel is doing to matter interacting with matter

Materialism is not about matter, that's physicalism. Materialism is a vision that take material condition of existence (religion, possessions, salary, leaving conditions, access to social circles etc.) into account.

What Israel is doing is related to colonial / imperialist interest and religious interests. (two material interests).

if everything is matter, then isn't what Israel doing just ultimately some bits of matter attacking other bits of matter? no "good" or "evil", just atoms moving around
@Logiko

Technically, yes, I can say this because I'm also physicalist. But yeah, good and evil do not exist.

Only exist ethical and material interests created by our global social world wide material conditions of existences.

Genocide is not bad because it's evil, genocide is bad because it ends lives and prevent people from living and be happy.

 

[RyoQ]

Materialism is not about matter, that's physicalism. Materialism is a vision that take material condition of existence (religion, possessions, salary, leaving conditions, access to social circles etc.) into account.

What Israel is doing is related to colonial / imperialist interest and religious interests. (two material interests).

I agree it's a material issue in that sense...as many political issues are

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Only exist ethical and material interests created by our global social world wide material conditions of existences.

Genocide is not bad because it's evil, genocide is bad because it ends lives and prevent people from living and be happy

Not sure how you are differentiating "bad" from evil here. I think creating sorrow and depriving people of their life are two reasons murder/genocide is evil, lol

 

[AL sama]

lmfao I come back and see you guys debating about me huh

let's just say life is precious no matter what