Powers & Abilities Xebec used a slash, not a “shockwave”

[Albino 👑]

So then You lied

I asked you “what makes someone better at swordsmanship” and you said “a sword duel”

now you’re saying that actually the person with “better swordsmanship” can lose a “sword duel” remain “better at swordsmanship”

So then Your previous answer was a lie. Now let’s return to the original question, “what makes someone better at swordsmanship?”

It seems like an easy question and yet here you are lying to find an answer

There’s a difference between being more skilled and being just stronger
Better at swordsmanship in what sense? Because both apply

If you mean who’s better at swordsmanship when it comes to how skilled they are at actually using swordsmanship than zoro pre enma is better than king.

If you mean who’s better at swordsmanship when it comes to who’d win a sword duel someone less skilled can still win. So in that case they are stronger aka better

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

There’s a difference between being more skilled and being just stronger
Better at swordsmanship in what sense? Because both apply

If you mean who’s better at swordsmanship when it comes to how skilled they are at actually using swordsmanship than zoro pre enma is better than king.

If you mean who’s better at swordsmanship when it comes to who’d win a sword duel someone less skilled can still win. So in that case they are stronger aka better

I’m gonna ask this question again, answer it for me please.

What makes someone “better at swordsmanship”?

It’s okay if you don’t have an answer. Just say you don’t know

It's Kengi, the same term that was translated at Mihawk's new Bounty poster..

Yes I know. That’s what I’ve been saying. Swordsmanship is Swords skill

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

So then You lied

I asked you “what makes someone better at swordsmanship” and you said “a sword duel”

now you’re saying that actually the person with “better swordsmanship” can lose a “sword duel” remain “better at swordsmanship”

So then Your previous answer was a lie. Now let’s return to the original question, “what makes someone better at swordsmanship?”

It seems like an easy question and yet here you are lying to find an answer

You git this guy @Albino 👑 on the ropes. Lol he waffling

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There’s a difference between being more skilled and being just stronger
Better at swordsmanship in what sense? Because both apply

If you mean who’s better at swordsmanship when it comes to how skilled they are at actually using swordsmanship than zoro pre enma is better than king.

If you mean who’s better at swordsmanship when it comes to who’d win a sword duel someone less skilled can still win. So in that case they are stronger aka better

He asked you earlier what determines someone has better swordmanship and you replied a sword duel. Now your saying the person losing sword duel is better at swordsmanship. Which is it guy. Stop waffling. Also King has name Sword techniques

 

[Albino 👑]

I’m gonna ask this question again, answer it for me please.

What makes someone “better at swordsmanship”?

It’s okay if you don’t have an answer. Just say you don’t know


Yes I know. That’s what I’ve been saying. Swordsmanship is Swords skill

Again better in what sense?
Who wins a fight or who’s more skilled

Better at swordsmanship in what sense? Because both apply

If you mean who’s better at swordsmanship when it comes to how skilled they are at actually using swordsmanship than zoro pre enma is better than king.

If you mean who’s better at swordsmanship when it comes to who’d win a sword duel someone less skilled can still win. So in that case they are stronger aka better

It’s like asking who’s a better boxer a 4’5 100 lbs guy that actually trains and knows how to box or 6’4 250 body builder with boxing gloves

Big dude is gonna win making him stronger but 4’5 dude actually knows how to box

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Again better in what sense?

In the sense that Zoro wants to be the “best swordsman in the world” and Mihawk is the “greatest swordsman in the world”

what exactly does Zoro want to achieve and what exactly does Mihawk’s title mean?

what makes someone the “best at swordsmanship”

 

[Albino 👑]

In the sense that Zoro wants to be the “best swordsman in the world” and Mihawk is the “greatest swordsman in the world”

what exactly does Zoro want to achieve and what exactly does Mihawk’s title mean?

what makes someone the “best at swordsmanship”

He wants to beat mihawk to become the next strongest/greatest swordsman

It means he has greater sword skill than shanks having greater sword skill meaning he should win a sword duel

Having the best at swordsmanship means you can beat mihawk in a sword fight aka Zoro’s dream

 

[comrade]

It means he has greater sword skill than shanks having greater sword skill meaning he should win a sword duel

Which abilities and techniques are allowed in a sword duel?

 

[Albino 👑]

Which abilities and techniques are allowed in a sword duel?

Pretty much attacking with your blade/sword. Things that enhance your swordsmanship like haki are still part of swordsmanship

Asura is swordsmanship because all it does is enhance it
Having a flaming sword and flaming slashes enhances one’s swordsmanship. Shooting a lava fire dragon out of your sword isn’t swordsmanship tho imo

 

[comrade]

Asura is swordsmanship because all it does is enhance it
Having a flaming sword and flaming slashes enhances one’s swordsmanship. Shooting a lava fire dragon out of your sword isn’t swordsmanship tho imo

But if swordsmanship is your most powerful ability - which it wasn't in King's case - other abilities don't matter. If Mihawk is superior to whatever Zoro's swordsmanship can produce (Shishi Sonson, Dragon Damnation, Asura, amped by ACoC), then giving Zoro King's lava-like Dragon won't tip the scales either. Mihawk won't lose to a flame dragon if he is strong enough to defeat Zoro's Asura.

Same goes for Xebec. He doesn't have a Devil Fruit or fancy abilities, just a sword and Haki to use both shockwaves and cuts. We also know Shanks had access to Kamusari before being rival to Mihawk, so Mihawk accepted a rival with shockwave based abilities.

I believe @Salah WG pointed it out too; characters are basically as strong as their strongest move. If a sword users strongest move or ability is related to swordsmanship, then it doesn't really matter what else he is capable of.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Having the best at swordsmanship means you can beat mihawk in a sword fight aka Zoro’s dream

My guy, what’s going on

Didn’t we establish that winning sword fights doesn’t make you “better at swordsmanship”?

this is what we concluded already. From your statements. Are you not paying attention to what we are talking about?

YOUR THE ONE who concluded that winning sword fights doesn’t make you “better at swordsmanship”

Are you going back on this AGAIN?

Dude, get serious

 

[Rootbeer]

Yes I know. That’s what I’ve been saying. Swordsmanship is Swords skill

Don't play on words, it says Sword Skill, not Swordsmanship..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Don't play on words, it says Sword Skill, not Swordsmanship..

Oh? When does the word “swordsmanship” get used the OP manga then?

Unless it’s not ever used

 

[Albino 👑]

But if swordsmanship is your most powerful ability - which it wasn't in King's case - other abilities don't matter. If Mihawk is superior to whatever Zoro's swordsmanship can produce (Shishi Sonson, Dragon Damnation, Asura, amped by ACoC), then giving Zoro King's lava-like Dragon won't tip the scales either. Mihawk won't lose to a flame dragon if he is strong enough to defeat Zoro's Asura.

Same goes for Xebec. He doesn't have a Devil Fruit or fancy abilities, just a sword and Haki to use both shockwaves and cuts. We also know Shanks had access to Kamusari before being rival to Mihawk, so Mihawk accepted a rival with shockwave based abilities.

I believe @Salah WG pointed it out too; characters are basically as strong as their strongest move. If a sword users strongest move or ability is related to swordsmanship, then it doesn't really matter what else he is capable of.

Yes in king case like Queen or kizaru etc swordsmanship is just a part of their overall style not their main thing

You don’t need fancy abilities tho when a simple punch or kick would suffice. Using Swords doesn’t limit you to just using your sword. Again kings race or devil fruit wasn’t what made him not a swordsman it was just because he was also willing ti throw hands too

My guy, what’s going on

Didn’t we establish that winning sword fights doesn’t make you “better at swordsmanship”?

this is what we concluded already. From your statements. Are you not paying attention to what we are talking about?

YOUR THE ONE who concluded that winning sword fights doesn’t make you “better at swordsmanship”

Are you going back on this AGAIN?

Dude, get serious

Again yes because being more skill doesn’t mean you’d win a fight. It depends on what you mean as better

Zoro a swordsman who actually practices swordsmanship and has a sword style wants to be better than mihawk the current strongest swordsman who is a swordsman and definitely practices swordsmanship and has a sword style

If someone like king or queen somehow beat mihawk in a sword fight despite not actually being skilled they’d be the strongest swordsman while still being less skilled

 

[Rootbeer]

Oh? When does the word “swordsmanship” get used the OP manga then?

Unless it’s not ever used

T-Bone referred to Swordsmanship as '' Tachisuji '', each individual Kanji read as, Fat, Sword, Muscle.. The Medieval western type Swords of Swordsmanship..

Kaku referred to Swordsmanship as '' Kenjutsu '', and it was related to him practicing the 4 Swordstyle..

Swordsmanship is more of an English concept and term, in Japanese it would be more the Way of the Sword, or '' Kendou ''..

 

[smallpecker84]

heck ya! slash!

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Zoro a swordsman who actually practices swordsmanship and has a sword style wants to be better

Is this your answer?

“practicing swordsmanship and having a swords style” is what makes you better?

Are you saying merely having a swords style automatically makes you “better at swordsmanship” than someone who doesn’t?

Is Kaku “better at swordsmanship” than Shanks Roger and Rayleigh?

if so then what was Brannew talking about? Brannew was talking about Mihawk being better than Shanks like it’s a feat but it turns out Shanks is worse than Kaku. So Brannew was basically saying Mihawk is better than fodder?

Swordsmanship is more of an English concept and term, in Japanese it would be more the Way of the Sword, or '' Kendou ''..

So there is no word for “swordsmanship” that is used universally across the entire manga in Japanese?

 

[Rootbeer]

So there is no word for “swordsmanship” that is used universally across the entire manga in Japanese?

Kengi is Sword Skill, not Swordsmanship.. Deal with it..