I don't think that's a good definition, because that was possible in feudalism too
In feudalism the lords owned the land...

That is also possible in communism and socialism

I looked up capitalism definition and I got these three:

  1. An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
  2. An economic system based on predominantly private (individual or corporate) investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods and wealth; contrasted with socialism or especially communism, in which the state has the predominant role in the economy.
    Similar: capitalist economy
  3. A socio-economic system based on private property rights, including the private ownership of resources or capital, with economic decisions made largely through the operation of a market unregulated by the state.
my definition is there lol
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
fascism is objectively speaking anti capitalist. Read Hitler and Mussolini's manifesto's, dudes hated capitalism and believed the state should supersede any private property which is the definition of anti capitalism
Both true and false. Fascism allows private ownership and allies itself with economic elites/captialist oligarchs, but instead the state controls the means of production

It is state-directed capitalism.
 
That's the reasoning behind the statement "Profit is theft", because the capitalist does no work, they collect the profit just because they own the capital
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In feudalism the lords owned the land...

That is also possible in communism and socialism

I looked up capitalism definition and I got these three:


my definition is there lol
True, and I didn't notice that, but the private ownership of the means of production thing is the key

Feudalism has feudal lords and peasants

Capitalism has capitalists and workers

Feudalism and capitalism both have two classes, who leech off of the working class, except with feudalism, it's because they own the land, with capitalism, it's because they own the capital used, for production, in both cases, by the workers
 
That's the reasoning behind the statement "Profit is theft", because the capitalist does no work, they collect the profit just because they own the capital
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True but the private ownership of the means of production thing is the key
Consumers' willingness to pay is what determines the price of goods. Not workers. Also, drop this fallacy that capitalists don't work. It takes a lot of brains and time to run any kind of business. The stereotype that capitalists live on the beach drinking coconut water is ridiculous. Most billionaires and millionaires are workaholics.
 
Feudalism is known by the feudal mode of production

Peasants produce value working on the land owned by feudal lords, the feudal lords take some of it as profit, and let the peasants have some of it




Capitalism is known by the capitalist mode of production

Same thing except with capital instead of land




Socialism is a social mode of production

Capital is democratically owned and controlled by the workers involved in production, which is to say, the workers working at the company are the shareholders, there is no shareholder who is not a worker

The workers themselves become the bosses




That's why the USSR and China aren't communist, they just give the capitalist role to the state bureaucrat, when socialism would remove the capitalist role entirely, and give that function to workers themselves
 
Both true and false. Fascism allows private ownership and allies itself with economic elites/captialist oligarchs, but instead the state controls the means of production

It is state-directed capitalism.
private means of production is crucial to capitalism

this is like wanting a socialist society without the working class owning the means of production, it aint socialism
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
private means of production is crucial to capitalism

this is like wanting a socialist society without the working class owning the means of production, it aint socialism
Or calling yourself a communist society when you have money, stateless, and class.

Not necessarily, but it still relies on capitalist elements and protects capital obligarchs. State-capitalism has the same contradictory lenses as state-communism.
 
Or calling yourself a communist society when you have money, stateless, and class.

Not necessarily, but it still relies on capitalist elements and protects capital obligarchs. State-capitalism has the same contradictory lenses as state-communism.
The soviet union were very open about being 5 years away from communism lol

"relies on capitalis elements" and so did it also relied on socialist ones as well, not a very good argument there
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
The soviet union were very open about being 5 years away from communism lol

"relies on capitalis elements" and so did it also relied on socialist ones as well, not a very good argument there
5 years away for the past like 30 years at the time lol

Capitalist economies adopted socialist elements as well. Fundamentally speaking, Fascism opposed liberal capitalism and marxist socialism, but has a strong relationship with capitalism for their goals.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

Whacky Arm Waving Inflatable Imu-chan
"WHAAAAAA, THE DEMOCRATS WON'T LET US STARVE PEOPLE... SNIFF, SNIFF, WHAAAAAAA!"

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1ol1rwa
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1ol1rwa/_/nmetncv
"judge: "you're not allowed to let poor people starve"

gop: "oh shucks!""

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1ol1rwa/_/nmesi3d
"If any Republican tries to tell you Dems are to blame for this, just look at who’s being sued."

:Trafinger:

That's how you can tell the Trump Administration is run by Israel: the focus on starving poor people, with a special focus on starving non-white children.
 
:seriously:




Reaching pathological liar territory...
Shameless reached this territory 2 years ago.

:kobeha:

fascism is objectively speaking anti capitalist. Read Hitler and Mussolini's manifesto's, dudes hated capitalism and believed the state should supersede any private property which is the definition of anti capitalism
Humans are contradictory creatures.
Our Einsteins here would be surprised to learn of the existence of national communism, a form of communism that places high value on national identity, despite true communism aiming at the dissolution of national identities.
Or nationalist Islamism, despite Islamism being anti racist, highlighting shared belief above everything else.
 
What is it proving ?
Nothing, it just displays differences and similarities. Communism, Fascism, and Nazism distinguish themselves over their symbols and ideologies (rhetoric and aesthetics) but are very similar in what they are opposed to (Capitalism, Conservatism, and Christianity), their collectivist mentality, and how the economy is heavily regulated by the State.
 
Nothing, it just displays differences and similarities. Communism, Fascism, and Nazism distinguish themselves over their symbols and ideologies (rhetoric and aesthetics) but are very similar in what they are opposed to (Capitalism, Conservatism, and Christianity), their collectivist mentality, and how the economy is heavily regulated by the State.
You're looking at a chart made by some US military administrative institution and you're expecting to read some great political science ?

And the chart doesn't even seem to exactly say what you say even though it's a stupid chart.
 
Do you even understand satire
It was satire too, but satire don't work on the internet

:kata:


he was an idiot i'm sorry
him letting york get off without any punishment despite knowing what she was planning to do to them is like having an alarm for a gas leak go off in your house and deciding to keep playing crash bandicoot on your ps2 instead of evacuating your house
Yes he was, but not in the way you think, that's what made him good. Vegapunk needed the time and the right moment to spread the news, he already knew he had to die. It was already over. There was no reason to punish Yor. Also, it's important to understand that York was still a part of him and "his family.". He time. But yeah, Vegapunk was blind to himself, which made him a human and amazing.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

Imo there are three options:

1. You don't know what you are talking about

2. You are intentionally lying

3. You can't read
All of them :shocking:

@Blax Blah Communism, Fascism and Nazism all have common roots. All of them are collectivists ideologies that have more in common with each other than capitalism and conservativism. Read the chart I posted and carefully see how Capitalism is quite distinct from all three of them. Read the highlighted text and stop pestering me.
You didn't understand what you shared lol


@Blax Blah By the way, Antifa is a terrorist organization.
Antifa is not an organization at all lmao
It's an idea and a movement without roots, you illiterate genius


Logiko and others have said that about Israel in here
Israel as a structure omfg. I don't want people to be destroyed or the territory to be bombed. This means merging what Israel now with a state of Palestine to create something NEW.



fascism is objectively speaking anti capitalist. Read Hitler and Mussolini's manifesto's, dudes hated capitalism and believed the state should supersede any private property which is the definition of anti capitalism
omfg

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Fascism always controlled critical and strategic sectors of the economy. This isn't capitalism.
Communists, Fascists, and Nazis have historically fought against Capitalism, Conservatism and Christianity
Wrong. Capitalism is a contradiction relationship between the capital and the state. To push the capitals, the power needs to push liberalism and therefore less state, but to apply liberalism the power needs to push more state. When this contradiction explodes, capitalism enters in crisis. And to allow this crisis to be resolved without the loss of the capital, capitalism evolves in (capitalist) fascism.

. Who am I getting replaced by?
AI
At least if capitalists win.


There is nothing about Fascism or Nazism that screams right-wing ideology.
Yeah you need to learn who you are.
>>>
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism


Scientific racism was perfectly acceptable as a fact by many Europeans at the time.
Many fascists and racists*. Maybe you didn't notice it, but they were already people fighting racism at the time.


Capitalism at it's core is the private exchange of good and services.
No, that's not the core, it's a symptom. The core of Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production.


You know
Darfur is actually a far worse situation than Gaza if you actually know what's happening there
Like if the Janjaweed had Israel's technology

They would genocide all non arabs in darfur AND Chad
Let's not compared genocides. They are both horrible.


But I agree, let's speak about Darfur and Soudan in general.

And the situation in Congo too. Or Tanzania. Damn.. imperialism is completely wreaking this continent... Something needs to be done.
 
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