Controversial Pot Calling Kettle Black (Nutshell)
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This would have some meaning maybe if i was the main focus of the topic, but that topic started with 2 other users, so you are not giving them the explanation over what i said on the topic?
100% bad faith provocateur, trapped in a logically incoherent script, too afraid to actually adress anything or follow up on what you said you will do. incredibly arrogant and ignorant, truly pathetic little troll.
you didnt learn anything while moving from being reactionary to being radically left, you are using the exact same tactics people like matt walsh, charlie kirk, jordan peterson, etc regularly use for their ideological agenda.
because god could have easily created a world where the majority of people dont go to hell. and he knew this was going to happen to all of these people since he is omnicient. he had infinite possibilities for creation and it was he who chose for us to make it this way. so it really isnt my fault that im not convinced in his existence, he made me that way, but he still sees fit to torment me for eternity over it. Free will is a scam and god is kind of wicked
100% bad faith provocateur, trapped in a logically incoherent script, too afraid to actually adress anything or follow up on what you said you will do. incredibly arrogant and ignorant, truly pathetic little troll.
you didnt learn anything while moving from being reactionary to being radically left, you are using the exact same tactics people like matt walsh, charlie kirk, jordan peterson, etc regularly use for their ideological agenda.
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because god could have easily created a world where the majority of people dont go to hell. and he knew this was going to happen to all of these people since he is omnicient. he had infinite possibilities for creation and it was he who chose for us to make it this way. so it really isnt my fault that im not convinced in his existence, he made me that way, but he still sees fit to torment me for eternity over it. Free will is a scam and god is kind of wicked
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Luke 16:22-31
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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You don't know what God could have done and couldn't have done, but the Bible says if you don't hear the scriptures then you won't be persuaded even if somebody rises from the dead, it says that the condemnation is that men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil, because if you come to the light then your deeds will be reproved
When you receive salvation, you acknowledge you are a sinner, need Jesus Christ to save you, and trust him to save you, that's how you receive salvation
You are sinful, full of evil deeds, and you step into the light, you and God, out into the spotlight, and under the spotlight you say, yeah I'm wrong and you're right, I need you to help me
If you're not willing to humble yourself to ask him to save you, that's why you will be condemned
There is no sin that can send a person to hell, only rejecting Jesus Christ sends you to hell
You have it all laid out before you for free, you do not work for it, you do not pay for it, you can not even lose it, and you get to choose, receive it for free or pay for your own sins yourself
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Job 38:1-21
Job 38
King James Version
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
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Job 42:1-6
Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
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And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
.
John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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You don't know what God could have done and couldn't have done, but the Bible says if you don't hear the scriptures then you won't be persuaded even if somebody rises from the dead, it says that the condemnation is that men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil, because if you come to the light then your deeds will be reproved
When you receive salvation, you acknowledge you are a sinner, need Jesus Christ to save you, and trust him to save you, that's how you receive salvation
You are sinful, full of evil deeds, and you step into the light, you and God, out into the spotlight, and under the spotlight you say, yeah I'm wrong and you're right, I need you to help me
If you're not willing to humble yourself to ask him to save you, that's why you will be condemned
There is no sin that can send a person to hell, only rejecting Jesus Christ sends you to hell
You have it all laid out before you for free, you do not work for it, you do not pay for it, you can not even lose it, and you get to choose, receive it for free or pay for your own sins yourself
.
Job 38:1-21
Job 38
King James Version
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
.
Job 42:1-6
Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
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He is omnipotent, but he is also holy, just, good, etc
I think it's a matter of being humble
This is a quote from the one who made you:
Job 40:6-14
6 Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?
10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.
11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.
12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.
13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.
I think it's a matter of being humble
This is a quote from the one who made you:
Job 40:6-14
6 Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?
10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.
11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.
12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.
13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.
if god was omnibenevolent and omnipotent, wouldnt he create every human being in a way where they would enter heaven instead of eternal punishment and torture?
so i will go to heaven and get my soul saved regardless of my evil deeds if i accept that jesus died for my sins?
also i got a bible in my bookshelf, i dont need you to spam me with bible passages.
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so i will go to heaven and get my soul saved regardless of my evil deeds if i accept that jesus died for my sins?
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also i got a bible in my bookshelf, i dont need you to spam me with bible passages.
Well first things first:
We're pretty dumb
And not just pretty dumb, but we also very little information to work with about how stuff works
Put those two things together, and if we try to reason out God by our own logic, we're going to make a disaster, but
It could be an issue of free will, after all you have salvation for free that you can't lose
We're pretty dumb
And not just pretty dumb, but we also very little information to work with about how stuff works
Put those two things together, and if we try to reason out God by our own logic, we're going to make a disaster, but
It could be an issue of free will, after all you have salvation for free that you can't lose
Well I mean
There's consequences in this life and in the afterlife
In the afterlife, you will lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ, when Jesus said to lay up treasures in heaven, he meant treasures, you're going to want them once you see them and losing them would suck
But hell is not one of those consequences and you will end up in heaven
There's a bunch of consequences though:
1. God scourgeth every son whom he receiveth so if you want God to discipline you more than he already would, go ahead and live in sin
2. God could make you sick or make you die
3. You will reap what you sow, being rude to people will not send you to hell if you're saved, but, it will probably lead to you reaping the reality that almost nobody would like you
4. You lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ
There's consequences in this life and in the afterlife
In the afterlife, you will lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ, when Jesus said to lay up treasures in heaven, he meant treasures, you're going to want them once you see them and losing them would suck
But hell is not one of those consequences and you will end up in heaven
There's a bunch of consequences though:
1. God scourgeth every son whom he receiveth so if you want God to discipline you more than he already would, go ahead and live in sin
2. God could make you sick or make you die
3. You will reap what you sow, being rude to people will not send you to hell if you're saved, but, it will probably lead to you reaping the reality that almost nobody would like you
4. You lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ
I will look into it more and let you know, to be sure, but
God didn't make people to send them to hell
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Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Hell is prepared for the devil and his angels
Which you know, if you're not already convinced that hell would suck, keep in mind it's prepared not for your torment, but for the torment of immortal beings who are more disgusting than any pedophile, any nazi, any dictator, any rapist, any murderer
God didn't make people to send them to hell
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Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Hell is prepared for the devil and his angels
Which you know, if you're not already convinced that hell would suck, keep in mind it's prepared not for your torment, but for the torment of immortal beings who are more disgusting than any pedophile, any nazi, any dictator, any rapist, any murderer
IRL i happen to be extremely nice and polite to people, so much so that some of my friends constantly tell me that i am too nice. . . even to people i dont like myself
christians also believe jesus to be human. and they believe him to be god. for jesus, these are not mutually exclusive, he is fully human and fully god
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christians also believe jesus to be human. and they believe him to be god. for jesus, these are not mutually exclusive, he is fully human and fully god