This would have some meaning maybe if i was the main focus of the topic, but that topic started with 2 other users, so you are not giving them the explanation over what i said on the topic?
100% bad faith provocateur, trapped in a logically incoherent script, too afraid to actually adress anything or follow up on what you said you will do. incredibly arrogant and ignorant, truly pathetic little troll.
you didnt learn anything while moving from being reactionary to being radically left, you are using the exact same tactics people like matt walsh, charlie kirk, jordan peterson, etc regularly use for their ideological agenda.
We all use the same tactics. You are no differents. Don't think that because you just learned what a strawman is you are somehow excluded from this paradigm. The differences lies in our ethics and understandings of reality, not the number of our logical fallacies.
I don't know if we know much, but there are some crowns mentioned:
James 1:12 - Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
2 Timothy 4:8 - Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
I will look into it more and let you know, to be sure, but
God didn't make people to send them to hell
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Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Hell is prepared for the devil and his angels
Which you know, if you're not already convinced that hell would suck, keep in mind it's prepared not for your torment, but for the torment of immortal beings who are more disgusting than any pedophile, any nazi, any dictator, any rapist, any murderer
the term immortal sounds kind of meaningless if we are talking about afterlife. wouldnt we also become immortal after our physical life ends? otherwise how does heaven and hell work? do i have a life span there? Or does god only torture me for so long until he gets bored?
and quite frankly, he did make people to send them to hell for the reasons i listed above. he knew every single act every single human would ever commit before the creation of matter and time and still went on with it. we had no chance at being anything else.
i would first need to know that he exists you know. and the scripture he supposedly inspired looks exactly like what fallible humans would come up with.
There's consequences in this life and in the afterlife
In the afterlife, you will lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ, when Jesus said to lay up treasures in heaven, he meant treasures, you're going to want them once you see them and losing them would suck
But hell is not one of those consequences and you will end up in heaven
There's a bunch of consequences though:
1. God scourgeth every son whom he receiveth so if you want God to discipline you more than he already would, go ahead and live in sin
2. God could make you sick or make you die
3. You will reap what you sow, being rude to people will not send you to hell if you're saved, but, it will probably lead to you reaping the reality that almost nobody would like you
4. You lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ
the term immortal sounds kind of meaningless if we are talking about afterlife. wouldnt we also become immortal after our physical life ends? otherwise how does heaven and hell work? do i have a life span there? Or does god only torture me for so long until he gets bored?
and quite frankly, he did make people to send them to hell for the reasons i listed above. he knew every single act every single human would ever commit before the creation of matter and time and still went on with it. we had no chance at being anything else.
I will, just not now, I feel no motivation to do it and I will just waste my time, with you or the others. Especially to explain the same things.
Nah, just a lack of dopamine at the moment. But go on, continue ridiculizing yourself, you don't need me for that.
We all use the same tactics. You are no differents. Don't think that because you just learned what a strawman is you are somehow excluded from this paradigm. The differences lies in our ethics and understandings of reality, not the number of our logical fallacies.
whatever my guy, its evident that whatever im saying isnt actually reaching you. just repeating the same accusations and lies about other users. *sigh*
pretty much, christopher hitchens had a funny way of putting it, comparing gods celestial dictatorship to north korea, only that with north korea you can at least escape the shit when you die, but with god the punishment only really begins afterwards.
Kings in Europe used to say they were ordained by God himself therefore opposing the king means to oppose God. They couldn't prove any of this was true.
You you prove your statements?
christians also believe jesus to be human. and they believe him to be god. for jesus, these are not mutually exclusive, he is fully human and fully god
1) this free get out of jail card is retarded and makes all the arguments about atheists just wanting to sin absolutely meaningless if you actually think you can sin as much as you want as long as you accept jesus as your savior. . .
2) i am rejecting it because scripture doesnt seem like anything that requires more than fallible humans and their delusions
3) Gods three omni-traits lead to me having no chance, because i couldnt have been any other way, since god knew that i was going to be this way and he still created me like this, knowing full well that i will be tortured by him
pretty much, christopher hitchens had a funny way of putting it, comparing gods celestial dictatorship to north korea, only that with north korea you can at least escape the shit when you die, but with god the punishment only really begins afterwards.
Because God made everything, is just and holy, and also gives out a get out of jail free card that you can't lose and then takes you to paradise with him and to reign with him
What North Korea is that?
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God literally took your own place, Jesus was treated as if he lived like you did, what room is there to say God is a dictator when he does that?
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Listen, Jesus Christ has nail holes in his hands
God is going to have nail holes in the hands of his physical body, for eternity, because he took your place and that's what he endured so he could fairly give out that get out of jail free card
pretty much, christopher hitchens had a funny way of putting it, comparing gods celestial dictatorship to north korea, only that with north korea you can at least escape the shit when you die, but with god the punishment only really begins afterwards.
Main difference is that spiritual dictatorships are not about the afterlife but about life on earth.
I'd call it spiritual abuse tho, conceptualized by worldly rulers to wield power over living humans and control their thoughts and behavior.
There's a reason those types of religions have gods that look and act like humans. Even the Greek gods were pretty much like humans but completely amoral and with personality disorders.
most of them, afaik only very few denominations dont think jesus was god as well as human.
it obviously took some time for it to be articulated as such, what im referring to is the articulation of the council of chalcedon in like the 5th century or something.
i do think the idea that jesus was god/considered himself to be god can be supported with the bible. Though cosmic skeptic recently published something where he wants to challenge the usual go-to passage of "before abraham was, i am". i didnt get around to watching it yet though
Main difference is that spiritual dictatorships are not about the afterlife but about life on earth.
I'd call it spiritual abuse tho, conceptualized by worldly rulers to wield power over living humans and control their thoughts and behavior.
There's a reason those types of religions have gods that look and act like humans. Even the Greek gods were pretty much like humans but completely amoral and with personality disorders.
Because God made everything, is just and holy, and also gives out a get out of jail free card that you can't lose and then takes you to paradise with him and to reign with him
the fact he eternally torments people that dont believe in him? and he isnt really putting in any effort to convince people. and he could convince literally every single person on this planet this very moment since he is omnipotent, but he doesnt.
so either he doesnt care that we are not going to paradise, in that case he isnt omnibenevolent, or he cant change any of this, in that case he isnt omnipotent, or he didnt know about our actions that lead to us not receiving salvation, in that case he isnt omniscient.
the fact he eternally torments people that dont believe in him? and he isnt really putting in any effort to convince people. and he could convince literally every single person on this planet this very moment since he is omnipotent, but he doesnt.
so either he doesnt care that we are not going to paradise, in that case he isnt omnibenevolent, or he cant change any of this, in that case he isnt omnipotent, or he didnt know about our actions that lead to us not receiving salvation, in that case he isnt omniscient.
And I don't really know what to say about this, but there is a fire theme with God, that may have to do with what hell is:
Hebrews 12:29
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
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1 Peter 1:7
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
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Revelation 19:12-13
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
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This is talking to christians:
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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1 Corinthians 3:13-15
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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1 John 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
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Look at what it says
Jesus Christ is a consuming fire, and he has eyes as a flame of fire
At the judgement seat of Christ, christians' work get judged
Their works are revealed by fire and the fire tries every man's work of what sort it is
If the work abides, they get a reward, if it gets burned, the person is still saved, yet so as by fire
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Psalms 104:1-4
1Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. 2Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: 3Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: 4Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Jeremiah 23:29 - Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jeremiah 20:9 - Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
Acts 2:1-4
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Exodus 3:2 - And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
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