In the afterlife, you will lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ, when Jesus said to lay up treasures in heaven, he meant treasures, you're going to want them once you see them and losing them would suck
so its not perfect for everyone, there are levels to heaven depending on my deeds and their consequences?
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2. God could make you sick or make you die
as an omnibenevolent being would of course, totally not petty and spiteful
 
what about people who are not aware of the gospel due to their birth location or upbringing in a different religion?

and i dont know, i think its a very simple thought that an omnibenevolent god wouldnt create most humans to torture them eternally. that is, again, kind of wicked.
I will look into it more and let you know, to be sure, but

God didn't make people to send them to hell



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Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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Hell is prepared for the devil and his angels

Which you know, if you're not already convinced that hell would suck, keep in mind it's prepared not for your torment, but for the torment of immortal beings who are more disgusting than any pedophile, any nazi, any dictator, any rapist, any murderer
 
3. You will reap what you sow, being rude to people will not send you to hell if you're saved, but, it will probably lead to you reaping the reality that almost nobody would like you
IRL i happen to be extremely nice and polite to people, so much so that some of my friends constantly tell me that i am too nice. . . even to people i dont like myself
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Here, I'll say it: Jesus was a human being.
You may burn me at the stake now.
christians also believe jesus to be human. and they believe him to be god. for jesus, these are not mutually exclusive, he is fully human and fully god
 
What business do you have being tormented in the same place with immortal beings who are that evil and disgusting?

You have a get out of jail free card, just tell God that he's right and you're wrong and ask him to save you and trust him for it
 
This would have some meaning maybe if i was the main focus of the topic, but that topic started with 2 other users, so you are not giving them the explanation over what i said on the topic?
I will, just not now, I feel no motivation to do it and I will just waste my time, with you or the others. Especially to explain the same things.

100% bad faith provocateur, trapped in a logically incoherent script, too afraid to actually adress anything or follow up on what you said you will do. incredibly arrogant and ignorant, truly pathetic little troll.
Nah, just a lack of dopamine at the moment. But go on, continue ridiculizing yourself, you don't need me for that.

you didnt learn anything while moving from being reactionary to being radically left, you are using the exact same tactics people like matt walsh, charlie kirk, jordan peterson, etc regularly use for their ideological agenda.
We all use the same tactics. You are no differents. Don't think that because you just learned what a strawman is you are somehow excluded from this paradigm. The differences lies in our ethics and understandings of reality, not the number of our logical fallacies.

I really hope you can understand that one day.

if this wouldnt be coming from a guy who denies that biological sex is a thing maybe it would mean something.
And you keep digging
 
I don't know if we know much, but there are some crowns mentioned:

James 1:12 - Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

2 Timothy 4:8 - Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

1 Peter 5:1-4
The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.


2 Timothy 2:5 - And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
 
I will look into it more and let you know, to be sure, but

God didn't make people to send them to hell



.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

.

Hell is prepared for the devil and his angels

Which you know, if you're not already convinced that hell would suck, keep in mind it's prepared not for your torment, but for the torment of immortal beings who are more disgusting than any pedophile, any nazi, any dictator, any rapist, any murderer
the term immortal sounds kind of meaningless if we are talking about afterlife. wouldnt we also become immortal after our physical life ends? otherwise how does heaven and hell work? do i have a life span there? Or does god only torture me for so long until he gets bored?

and quite frankly, he did make people to send them to hell for the reasons i listed above. he knew every single act every single human would ever commit before the creation of matter and time and still went on with it. we had no chance at being anything else.
 
Well I mean

There's consequences in this life and in the afterlife

In the afterlife, you will lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ, when Jesus said to lay up treasures in heaven, he meant treasures, you're going to want them once you see them and losing them would suck

But hell is not one of those consequences and you will end up in heaven



There's a bunch of consequences though:
1. God scourgeth every son whom he receiveth so if you want God to discipline you more than he already would, go ahead and live in sin

2. God could make you sick or make you die

3. You will reap what you sow, being rude to people will not send you to hell if you're saved, but, it will probably lead to you reaping the reality that almost nobody would like you

4. You lose rewards at the judgement seat of Christ
So according to you, God acts like a human being, a dictator to be precise.
 
the term immortal sounds kind of meaningless if we are talking about afterlife. wouldnt we also become immortal after our physical life ends? otherwise how does heaven and hell work? do i have a life span there? Or does god only torture me for so long until he gets bored?

and quite frankly, he did make people to send them to hell for the reasons i listed above. he knew every single act every single human would ever commit before the creation of matter and time and still went on with it. we had no chance at being anything else.
How do you have no chance if you have a free get out of jail free card that you can not lose?

You're literally rejecting that and then throwing yourself into hell saying God made you to go there because you had no chance at being anything else
 
I will, just not now, I feel no motivation to do it and I will just waste my time, with you or the others. Especially to explain the same things.


Nah, just a lack of dopamine at the moment. But go on, continue ridiculizing yourself, you don't need me for that.


We all use the same tactics. You are no differents. Don't think that because you just learned what a strawman is you are somehow excluded from this paradigm. The differences lies in our ethics and understandings of reality, not the number of our logical fallacies.

I really hope you can understand that one day.


And you keep digging
whatever my guy, its evident that whatever im saying isnt actually reaching you. just repeating the same accusations and lies about other users. *sigh*
 
So according to you, God acts like a human being, a dictator to be precise.
Dictators do bad stuff and steal, God made everything, it's his property, so he's the king, and he's also holy, just, good, etc
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How do you have no chance if you have a free get out of jail free card that you can not lose?

You're literally rejecting that and then throwing yourself into hell saying God made you to go there because you had no chance at being anything else
Dude

You have a 100% guaranteed chance at going to heaven, if you trust Jesus to save you
 
So according to you, God acts like a human being, a dictator to be precise.
pretty much, christopher hitchens had a funny way of putting it, comparing gods celestial dictatorship to north korea, only that with north korea you can at least escape the shit when you die, but with god the punishment only really begins afterwards.
 
Dictators do bad stuff and steal, God made everything, it's his property, so he's the king, and he's also holy, just, good, etc
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Dude

You have a 100% guaranteed chance at going to heaven, if you trust Jesus to save you
Kings in Europe used to say they were ordained by God himself therefore opposing the king means to oppose God. They couldn't prove any of this was true.
You you prove your statements?

christians also believe jesus to be human. and they believe him to be god. for jesus, these are not mutually exclusive, he is fully human and fully god
Which of the multiple Christian denominations that came to existence after Jesus' death are you talking about?

You have a get out of jail free card, just tell God that he's right and you're wrong and ask him to save you and trust him for it
Yea absolutely doesn't sound threatening or like a dictatorship

whatever im saying isnt actually reaching you
Because bot
 
How do you have no chance if you have a free get out of jail free card that you can not lose?

You're literally rejecting that and then throwing yourself into hell saying God made you to go there because you had no chance at being anything else
1) this free get out of jail card is retarded and makes all the arguments about atheists just wanting to sin absolutely meaningless if you actually think you can sin as much as you want as long as you accept jesus as your savior. . .

2) i am rejecting it because scripture doesnt seem like anything that requires more than fallible humans and their delusions

3) Gods three omni-traits lead to me having no chance, because i couldnt have been any other way, since god knew that i was going to be this way and he still created me like this, knowing full well that i will be tortured by him
 
pretty much, christopher hitchens had a funny way of putting it, comparing gods celestial dictatorship to north korea, only that with north korea you can at least escape the shit when you die, but with god the punishment only really begins afterwards.
Because God made everything, is just and holy, and also gives out a get out of jail free card that you can't lose and then takes you to paradise with him and to reign with him

What North Korea is that?
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God literally took your own place, Jesus was treated as if he lived like you did, what room is there to say God is a dictator when he does that?
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Listen, Jesus Christ has nail holes in his hands

God is going to have nail holes in the hands of his physical body, for eternity, because he took your place and that's what he endured so he could fairly give out that get out of jail free card

What right do you have to complain?
 
pretty much, christopher hitchens had a funny way of putting it, comparing gods celestial dictatorship to north korea, only that with north korea you can at least escape the shit when you die, but with god the punishment only really begins afterwards.
Main difference is that spiritual dictatorships are not about the afterlife but about life on earth.
I'd call it spiritual abuse tho, conceptualized by worldly rulers to wield power over living humans and control their thoughts and behavior.
There's a reason those types of religions have gods that look and act like humans. Even the Greek gods were pretty much like humans but completely amoral and with personality disorders.
 
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