Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

Negativity is not inevitable. That's a fatalist stance. And since you like the word, it's not a "rational" one. There are no reason to accept negativity and negativity is not something that must necessarily appear. It's a social construct. If you have accepted negativity, good for you, I'm not that kind of person.

If you think you (or anyone for that matter) can change the world in a way where no single human individual is ever negative again, that is completely idealistic and utopian and detached from reality.

maybe i didnt articulate it properly and you thought i was saying that every single human is negative to an extent? i definitely didnt try to say that.


and yeah no, i didnt "accept" negativity, i accepted that many people are negative on a regular basis and i have to deal with it somehow without the negativity making me negative, if that makes any sense.

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Indeed, it is. You could call it the "One Piss" ideology. After 15 years, it has now become a complex and coherent belief system with fake information, rumors, sub beliefs, behaviors, social pattern, groups with ideological interests and conflict etc. On a sociological basis, it would be interesting to analyze it, but for me, it's an horror that I've been watching grow bigger & bigger over the years, helplessly.

so everyone that thinks one piece lost quality after the time skip subscribes to this ideology?

 

[Roo]

Man you guys are so unserious lmao

 

[Zenos7]

Man you guys are so unserious lmao

 

[Roo]

The “One Piss ideology”

man this is what happens when you’re into pop politics and the only other hobby you have is one piece

 

[Zenos7]

The “One Piss ideology”

man this is what happens when you’re into pop politics and the only other hobby you have is one piece

so im unserious by extension because im talking to logiko?

 

[Roo]

so im unserious by extension because im talking to logiko?

No I was mainly referring to logiko

 

[Zenos7]

No I was mainly referring to logiko

 

[Logiko]

If you think you (or anyone for that matter) can change the world in a way where no single human individual is ever negative again, that is completely idealistic and utopian and detached from reality.

Nice strawman. That's not what I meant.

and yeah no, i didnt "accept" negativity, i accepted that many people are negative on a regular basis and i have to deal with it somehow without the negativity making me negative, if that makes any sense.

Good for you. I'm myself I'm sick of "having to deal with it". I have been doing that for years and I would love for this fanbase to be healthy instead of a ragefest. And if you are wondering why I'm not finding a new place it's because : A - ALL the fanbase is corrupted by this behavior as this is something not related to One Piece, B - I don't know why I should be the one to leave. I don't accept that paradigm

so everyone that thinks one piece lost quality after the time skip subscribes to this ideology?

They at least have a foot in it. The affirmation stands on an analysis of the manga, analysis that implies others sub beliefs that can vary (Changes of editors has affected Y, X arc is bad, Strawhats are irrelevant now etc.). I could depict an entire mindmap of this ideology just to show how coherent is is. In fact it's so coherent that in whole cake I remember predicting what people would say in Wano.

man this is what happens when you’re into pop politics and the only other hobby you have is one piece

I must admit I wouldn't say all of that if I could focus on something else lmao

 

[Uncle Van]

I suppose believing Carrot would be a SH or sneaking onto their ship after Wano doesn't count as having false expectations.

 

[Zenos7]

Nice strawman. That's not what I meant.

sentence starts with "IF"
logiko: NiCe StRaWmAn

cant make this shit up

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Good for you. I'm myself I'm sick of "having to deal with it". I have been doing that for years and I would love for this fanbase to be healthy instead of a ragefest. And if you are wondering why I'm not finding a new place it's because : A - ALL the fanbase is corrupted by this behavior as this is something not related to One Piece, B - I don't know why I should be the one to leave. I don't accept that paradigm

its not that you should leave, but if you expect people to not be negative and voice their negative opinion, then you are also at fault for having illegitimate expectations that lead to your own negativity about the negativity of others.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

People are truly dense in America. Never have I seen of a president blatantly willing to starve his country.

It’s not even a hypothetical even for a MAGA voter anymore. He is and always was about the billionaires and the rich. Doesn’t matter if you agree with his hateful rhetoric and they are finding out the the hard way.

But yeah people fucking told them. Now are they going to sit out elections or vote in favor of a government that bare minimum…bare minimum believes nobody should starve?

This will be normalized, and next middle and lower class will just be treated subhuman to the wealthy. Thats what they want to do slowly.

It’s just crazy how “Poor people should have access to food” is a radical stance to brainless conservatives, most of whom are also forced to live well below their means…like, you are SO much closer to living on the street than living in a gold-encrusted high-rise apartment, you’ll NEVER be able to pull your bootstrings high enough to live like the greedy billionaires who stole your hard earned money from you. MAGAts just don’t realize that Donnie and his ilk are telling them to fear their neighbors precisely so they can rob them blind while they’re looking the other way, and when you try to open their eyes, they think YOU’RE the problem…you just can’t train that kind of stupidity out of someone, it can’t be done.

 

[Logiko]

I suppose believing Carrot would be a SH or sneaking onto their ship after Wano doesn't count as having false expectations.

I never really expected Carrot to join. I rather "thought" she would join and I made a clear hypothesis/affirmation. There is here a big nuance that most people never got (even Carrot fans whom I tried to explain this). Expecting is knowing and adjusting our enjoyment based on the expectation, something happens. Thinking is different, the enjoyment is not affected if what we believe don't happen.

sentence starts with "IF"
logiko: NiCe StRaWmAn

cant make this shit up

It's still a strawman mate. You are making an affirmation and comparison based on a deformation of my own reasoning. Don't be surprised.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I never really expected Carrot to join.

Get over it, the nakama thread users aren't reading it😭🤣

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[Zenos7]

It's still a strawman mate. You are making an affirmation and comparison based on a deformation of my own reasoning. Don't be surprised.

"if X is what you are saying, you are wrong".

Logiko "you claimed i said X"

thats not how this shit works, but this explains alot we had to deal with the last couple days.

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I never really expected Carrot to join. I rather "thought" she would join and I made a clear hypothesis/affirmation. There is here a big nuance that most people never got (even Carrot fans whom I tried to explain this). Expecting is knowing and adjusting our enjoyment based on the expectation, something happens. Thinking is different, the enjoyment is not affected if what we believe don't happen.

i expected her to join

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It’s just crazy how “Poor people should have access to food” is a radical stance to brainless conservatives, most of whom are also forced to live well below their means…like, you are SO much closer to living on the street than living in a gold-encrusted high-rise apartment, you’ll NEVER be able to pull your bootstrings high enough to live like the greedy billionaires who stole your hard earned money from you. MAGAts just don’t realize that Donnie and his ilk are telling them to fear their neighbors precisely so they can rob them blind while they’re looking the other way, and when you try to open their eyes, they think YOU’RE the problem…you just can’t train that kind of stupidity out of someone, it can’t be done.

🙄2nd amendment tools
Muricans what are you waiting for? It's already too late to be sleeping and waiting for Donnie's gest.apo to abduct you or anyone else randomly.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

🙄2nd amendment tools
Muricans what are you waiting for? It's already too late to be sleeping and waiting for Donnie's gest.apo to abduct you or anyone else randomly.

It’s the ONLY thing in the Bill of Rights that they give one steaming shit about; they’ll sit idly by while their government censors anything less than full-throated support for their rampant theft, they’ll ignore the part about removing incompetent/senile old fucks from making decisions for the entire country, and they’ll cheer for disenfranchisement that revokes voting rights from minorities and women in deep red states…but by God, you even think about suggesting that they might not need an high-powered automatic rifle for home security and they will DEMAND you stop trampling all over their rights!!!

 

[Logiko]

Get over it, the nakama thread users aren't reading it😭🤣

Over what? lol

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Logiko™

Logiko "you claimed i said X"

Never said that. Do you wanna keep making fallacies or we move on?

thats not how this shit works, but this explains alot we had to deal with the last couple days.

Learn what a strawman is and move on. I'm sick of arguing with you on a formalism you do not even master.

i expected her to join

I did not. This is why I never got mad when my theory was proven wrong. This is what I mean by not having "illegitimate expectations". If something is not prepared and announced CLEARLY in the story, it's dangerous to have these expectations because One Piece is a week-to-week story. So it can literally ruin the fun in the long term. And this parameter participates in the overall negativity.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Over what? lol



Logiko™




Never said that. Do you wanna keep making fallacies or we move on?





Learn what a strawman is and move on. I'm sick of arguing with you on a formalism you do not even master.


I did not. This is why I never got mad when my theory was proven wrong. This is what I mean by not having "illegitimate expectations". If something is not prepared and announced CLEARLY in the story, it's dangerous to have these expectations because One Piece is a week-to-week story. So it can literally ruin the fun in the long term. And this parameter participates in the overall negativity.

 

[Zenos7]

Get over it, the nakama thread users aren't reading it😭🤣

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Logiko - The Last Wordbender

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Logiko - The Last Wordbender

Someone edit this as a gif and make the finger move