Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love
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Well considering how the last year and half for me was really depressing and gloomy. I hope that now, returning to the present in OP story, Sanji will shine and get great moments (considering the Gyaban cut conversation). I know it's childish but at least I really want that a fictional character get some good moment that at least let me forget for a bit how shitty life can be.
Reposting cause we need some clarity on wtf Garp used against Xebec there, and what it means for Luffy's ability to ignite.
Oda has deliberately kept the nature of Sanji's flames secret and hinted at both in the manga and the SBS, as recent ch 1023 and SBS 105.
Swirls have some kind of meaning that have yet to be revealed, but I find it interesting Luffy's DF and GF have swirl patterns also. As does the Mother Flame. Oda's answer in SBS 7 is interesting at the very least.
I think Sanji's flames and his supposed passion by them have always been the product of the Power of Love, an ability owing to innate kindness and love for others.
I think the path to Sanji realising his full potential - whether that means unlocking Conqueror's Haki or not - has taken so long because he had lessons to learn about directing some of that love and kindness inwards.
Baratie is a masterclass introduction to Sanji and lays bare the part of him that doesn't value his own life much.
Sommers appears designed to be Sanji's ideological enemy in love. His power leverages the strength of emotions against his victims. I think he will force Sanji to evolve, and hopefully that comes with some clarity on the Power of Love, which has been confirmed as distinct from at least "regular" Haki as far back as in SBS 62 re ch 431.
Swirls have some kind of meaning that have yet to be revealed, but I find it interesting Luffy's DF and GF have swirl patterns also. As does the Mother Flame. Oda's answer in SBS 7 is interesting at the very least.
I think Sanji's flames and his supposed passion by them have always been the product of the Power of Love, an ability owing to innate kindness and love for others.
I think the path to Sanji realising his full potential - whether that means unlocking Conqueror's Haki or not - has taken so long because he had lessons to learn about directing some of that love and kindness inwards.
Baratie is a masterclass introduction to Sanji and lays bare the part of him that doesn't value his own life much.
Sommers appears designed to be Sanji's ideological enemy in love. His power leverages the strength of emotions against his victims. I think he will force Sanji to evolve, and hopefully that comes with some clarity on the Power of Love, which has been confirmed as distinct from at least "regular" Haki as far back as in SBS 62 re ch 431.
If Haki is will power, then Power of Love appears to represent the strongest of wills: the will to protect loved ones.
Like Haki, love is commonly described as transcending all. Conquering all. This evidently includes the laws of physics.
Sanji has the most notorious physics-defying feat using PoL, but he wasn't the first person to use PoL or to use it to defy the laws of physics - Garp was.
In SBS 62 Oda explicitly confirmed it was not Haki but "love" that Garp used to hurt Luffy, a rubber-man.
In hindsight, it would appear obvious Rouge could only endure her prolonged pregnancy because of PoL.
Vegapunk outright speculated Kuma managed protect Bonney because of it.
Thriller Bark also had a striking example.
I'm sure there are other instances we can speculate over, but the bottom line is that PoL is not only very much real, it's been a real part of One Piece for a very long time.
Fundamentally, I don't think PoL is Conqueror's Haki, but a lot of Conquerors have it because they have powerful wills that extend to those they love. I don't think Rouge or Kuma had CoC but the unyielding love of a parent for their child.
Sanji will likely awaken CoC and PoL will be what allows him to achieve feats with Haki others can't - like destroying lasers.
Like Haki, love is commonly described as transcending all. Conquering all. This evidently includes the laws of physics.
Sanji has the most notorious physics-defying feat using PoL, but he wasn't the first person to use PoL or to use it to defy the laws of physics - Garp was.
In SBS 62 Oda explicitly confirmed it was not Haki but "love" that Garp used to hurt Luffy, a rubber-man.
In hindsight, it would appear obvious Rouge could only endure her prolonged pregnancy because of PoL.
Vegapunk outright speculated Kuma managed protect Bonney because of it.
Thriller Bark also had a striking example.
I'm sure there are other instances we can speculate over, but the bottom line is that PoL is not only very much real, it's been a real part of One Piece for a very long time.
Fundamentally, I don't think PoL is Conqueror's Haki, but a lot of Conquerors have it because they have powerful wills that extend to those they love. I don't think Rouge or Kuma had CoC but the unyielding love of a parent for their child.
Sanji will likely awaken CoC and PoL will be what allows him to achieve feats with Haki others can't - like destroying lasers.
Been there, be strong
We still know nothing about the time Harald attacked Big Mom or what happened the night Loki killed Harald. Loki's pirate life and Shanks vs Loki are also quite mysterious. Elbaf fruit, Shanks returning to Marijoa, Mosa (?). And I wouldn't be surprised if next chapter is entirely focused on Xebec death. This flashback will never end, 15 chapters (6-7 months?) at the very least
We still know nothing about the time Harald attacked Big Mom or what happened the night Loki killed Harald. Loki's pirate life and Shanks vs Loki are also quite mysterious. Elbaf fruit, Shanks returning to Marijoa, Mosa (?). And I wouldn't be surprised if next chapter is entirely focused on Xebec death. This flashback will never end, 15 chapters (6-7 months?) at the very least
Been there, be strong
We still know nothing about the time Harald attacked Big Mom or what happened the night Loki killed Harald. Loki's pirate life and Shanks vs Loki are also quite mysterious. Elbaf fruit, Shanks returning to Marijoa, Mosa (?). And I wouldn't be surprised if next chapter is entirely focused on Xebec death. This flashback will never end, 15 chapters (6-7 months?) at the very least
We still know nothing about the time Harald attacked Big Mom or what happened the night Loki killed Harald. Loki's pirate life and Shanks vs Loki are also quite mysterious. Elbaf fruit, Shanks returning to Marijoa, Mosa (?). And I wouldn't be surprised if next chapter is entirely focused on Xebec death. This flashback will never end, 15 chapters (6-7 months?) at the very least
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Can see Shiryu and Laffite having two DFs each, Shiryu with his sword and Laffite with his cane but I'm not sure awakening is enough for end game villains tbh. There's gotta something special about the Blackbeard Pirate awakenings for it to be hype. Either that or we get another layer to awakening like we've been getting with Haki.
Otherwise, they don't really feel like that much of a threat in comparison to the Gorosei for example.
Mars for instance looks like something out a horror book lol. Has OD haki and a pletora of abilties, mofo can use both lightning and fire and also has flight
Otherwise, they don't really feel like that much of a threat in comparison to the Gorosei for example.
Mars for instance looks like something out a horror book lol. Has OD haki and a pletora of abilties, mofo can use both lightning and fire and also has flight
I still think the BBP gimmick is that they’ll weaken the SHP not that they’ll be that much stronger than them.
The Rox fight imo made this more evident. Rox was such a beast because he had the ability to cancel out others CoC using his own. Even if the attacks landed, the attacks were weaker because his CoC took away Garps and Roger’s greatest strength. I can see the exact same scenario occuring with BB and Luffy. Luffy will be forced to fight without his fruit for most of the fight greatly weakening him until Luffy gets a power up that’ll allow him to break through BBs darkness.
The Rox fight imo made this more evident. Rox was such a beast because he had the ability to cancel out others CoC using his own. Even if the attacks landed, the attacks were weaker because his CoC took away Garps and Roger’s greatest strength. I can see the exact same scenario occuring with BB and Luffy. Luffy will be forced to fight without his fruit for most of the fight greatly weakening him until Luffy gets a power up that’ll allow him to break through BBs darkness.
That pattern is fine for Luffy but would be very underwhelming if it's the same for all the other strawhats.
At that point, I'd rather the Gorosei as endgame opponents tbh.
Will also significantly cap how strong the SHs are percieved to be incomparison to the big guns in the verse.
If you want to rank god tier you have to beat a god tier or someone on the precipice of that.
A competitive fight due to a nerf against a decently strong opponent is not great tbh.
I'd rather Sanji fight a high top tier than a low top tier whilst nerfed for example.
At that point, I'd rather the Gorosei as endgame opponents tbh.
Will also significantly cap how strong the SHs are percieved to be incomparison to the big guns in the verse.
If you want to rank god tier you have to beat a god tier or someone on the precipice of that.
A competitive fight due to a nerf against a decently strong opponent is not great tbh.
I'd rather Sanji fight a high top tier than a low top tier whilst nerfed for example.
Zori fans that are desperate to separate Sanji from Luffy and Zoro for whatever reason love to bring up the fact the he doesn't have an ancient parallel like the latter two i.e. Joyboy/Ryuma but anyone that is actually paying attention to the story knows he will get one at some point in the story (remember the days when mofos argued that Scopper Gaban was a myth lol). Curious who y'all think that could be. Given the way Oda's written Sanji post-ts I reckon there's a strong possibility it'd could be a Vinsmoke that existed 300 years ago. What do y'all think?
I'm not ruling it out, but the mechanics of Foxfire Style appear rooted purely in swordsmanship, not emotions or Haki.
Garp and Sanji both have Power of Love, Zoro and Kine'mon don't, so it makes sense their fire-related techniques are distinct. That's assuming Garp really does have fire techniques, I think the jury is still out on that as well.
Garp and Sanji both have Power of Love, Zoro and Kine'mon don't, so it makes sense their fire-related techniques are distinct. That's assuming Garp really does have fire techniques, I think the jury is still out on that as well.