I'm not like other leftist, I'm a physicalist on top of being materialist. Most leftist believe in freewill (or are avoiding the subject) even the most radical. but the lack of belief in free will doesn't change the fact that I'm advocating for agency still. It's not really a paradox. But you on the other hand, must understand how you are the product of your environment much more than your "will". One Piece is not real life.
I understand the problem of free will like this: "Environment dictates our options and modulates (a very important word; modulation doesn't mean determination) our behavior." Individual agency is responsible for identifying what options are picked and what said individual will decide to do in response to the modulation of his behavior. Example: Young men living in favelas. They have no access to education and basic dignity. Their living conditions are humiliating. Organized crime often seduces youngsters to live a life of crime. The media spreads narratives that such men are justified to live a life of crime due to the conditions they live in. The judiciary doesn't punish men that do choose for a life of crime. So, their environment pushes them to feel humiliated and alienated from basic human dignity and to have a chip on their shoulder towards the hand they were given by life. A handful of them chose crime. The majority simply live humbly in poverty. So, the environment modulated their behavior to be stressed, sad, and angry about their current conditions, but individual agency ultimately decides what kind of life they will live. Granted, we have been simplistic here; sometimes extreme conditions happen, and our agency gets taken over—among other things—by feelings and impulse. Individual agency is definitely NOT absolute and can be taken over by multiple things: drugs, mental illness, feelings, and misguided beliefs, just to point out a couple of examples.
 
The Nation State is a Disease honestly

Even in Europe it didn't work, France and Germany and Russia basically had to commit cultural genocides for it to "work"

Myanmar, Mali, Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Nigeria

How many more people have to die untill we acknowledge that the Nation State system is not this natural absolute system
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
This is why Marxism and far leftism are failed ideologies. They treat humans as abstract concepts and not unique individuals who don't always act according to a formula. Poor people can be evil, just like rich people can be good, and vice-versa. Life is a mish-mash of genetics and environment. It's not either. It's both.
Marxism relies on the idea that oppressed workers will be empathetic to each other, and happily establish a society where everyone gets what they need. Marxist theory about class war was proven true with the Russian revolution, but it didn't anticipate the ease in which an authoritarian state will arise. Now why would the revolutionaries choose to eliminate each other in power struggles? Such a mystery.
 
but individual agency ultimately decides what kind of life they will live.
That's the thing. What you reduce to individual agency is in reality also influenced by hundreds of thousands of factors. Factors out of our control. When these people chose to live in poverty without resorting to crime, they actually had less environmental pressure to fall into it that the others. Sometimes, all it takes is one parameter, one moment. It's difficult to explain such complexity in only 3 lines.




These three video are fundamental to understand what I'm saying, and since we are at it @Bisoromi Bear and @Zenos7 , they are also fundamental to understand why I'm saying "all men are trash" or "All cops are bastard". They are short so you shouldn't have problem with them:




Once you start understanding systems, reality becomes much more interesting but also.. much clearer. A man under patriarchy will fataly depict sexism, simply because it's impossible to bypass such education. For the same reason, a cop will by design defend the system and since the system is oppressive, the cop will fataly depict oppressive behavior. We are product and actors of the systems.





Now.. there is something very important to understand and it is the notion of "material/class interests". We are the result of the material condition of our existence (class, race, gender, genes, physics etc.) as such we also each align with different class/gender/racial interests. A rich person will align with the interest of the bourgeoisie, but I, will mostly align with the interest of the working class for ex.




Being a leftist, is not being on the good or the bad side, it's understanding the principle that we are all the actor/product of systems, & we are sometimes benefiting from, thus pushed to reproduce. Some marxist will say that only class interest exist, but in reality there are many more. It's an intersection of domination (ableism/racism/patriarchy/Capitalism/Sanism/agism etc.)


Marxism relies on the idea that oppressed workers will be empathetic to each other, and happily establish a society where everyone gets what they need.
That why I said, in reality, some marxist lacks a fundamental which is intersectionality. I'm not going too much in detail, but basically, it's what I said above, Patriarchy/racism are not a product of capitalism but they are working in tandem. If capitalism disappear, systemic racism, ableism or patriarchy won't magically disappear, they will get weaken but the problem will remain. So we must think beyond.
 
Careful tho, because there are two form of intersectionality. The liberal one (the one that I explained and mentionned multiple time on this thread and in the leftist library) and the materialist one (the one current french marxist and anticolonial and antiracist are using).
 
The Nation State is a Disease honestly

Even in Europe it didn't work, France and Germany and Russia basically had to commit cultural genocides for it to "work"

Myanmar, Mali, Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Nigeria

How many more people have to die untill we acknowledge that the Nation State system is not this natural absolute system
The French Revolution and Napoleonic Era really messed up the world. The Russian Revolution was just the cherry on top of the cake.
Marxism relies on the idea that oppressed workers will be empathetic to each other and happily establish a society where everyone gets what they need. Marxist theory about class war was proven true with the Russian Revolution, but it didn't anticipate the ease in which an authoritarian state will arise. Now why would the revolutionaries choose to eliminate each other in power struggles? Such a mystery.
Did they? Many suspect that was the goal all along. The only logical conclusion to such concentration of power is a dictatorship.
Karl Marx was a certified gooner btw
Oh, really? Why do you say that?
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Did they? Many suspect that was the goal all along. The only logical conclusion to such concentration of power is a dictatorship.
It wasn't the goal. Marxism and Communism as standalone ideologies and economic systems got nothing to do with authorianism.

It's just that it is so easy for an authoritarian regime to emerge from the ashes of a marxist revolution, and that practically all attempts to bring about communism were through authoritarian states.

You can't forcibly overthrow a ruling system without extreme social and economic instability.
 
https://newrepublic.com/post/203357/donald-trump-defends-saudi-mbs-jamal-khashoggi
Nothing to see here, folks; just the “America First” president defending the country that masterminded the most devastating foreign terrorist attack on US soil for summarily assassinating an American journalist…imagine literally any Democrat doing something a tenth as offensive, Ravager would be foaming at the fucking mouth…but somehow, I doubt he’ll have anything to say here :DeepThink:
 
You are talking to someone who says biological sex isnt a thing
Still strugglin with this I see

:shocking:


Nothing to see here, folks; just the “America First” president defending the country that masterminded the most devastating foreign terrorist attack on US soil for summarily assassinating an American journalist…imagine literally any Democrat doing something a tenth as offensive, Ravager would be foaming at the fucking mouth…but somehow, I doubt he’ll have anything to say here :DeepThink:
:kayneshrug:
 
It wasn't the goal. Marxism and Communism as standalone ideologies and economic systems got nothing to do with authorianism.

It's just that it is so easy for an authoritarian regime to emerge from the ashes of a marxist revolution, and that practically all attempts to bring about communism were through authoritarian states.

You can't forcibly overthrow a ruling system without extreme social and economic instability.
Says that Marxism and Communism have nothing to do with authoritarianism. Also, it says it's easy for such regimes to emerge from Marxist revolutions... So, just correlation, not causation, even though all Marxist revolutions lead to such regimes. Sounds legit. Nothing to see here. Bro smoked the entire copium pipe
 
It wasn't the goal. Marxism and Communism as standalone ideologies and economic systems got nothing to do with authorianism.

It's just that it is so easy for an authoritarian regime to emerge from the ashes of a marxist revolution, and that practically all attempts to bring about communism were through authoritarian states.

You can't forcibly overthrow a ruling system without extreme social and economic instability.
Marxism and Communism go hand in hand with authoritarianism, because authoritarianism is the only way to implement Marxism and Communism.

The only way to make everyone 100% equal is to destroy the individual and make everyone poor.
 
Marxism and Communism go hand in hand with authoritarianism, because authoritarianism is the only way to implement Marxism and Communism.

The only way to make everyone 100% equal is to destroy the individual and make everyone poor.
Forget that shit. Marxists revolution are old news. Boomer shit. Now we have Gen Z revolutions. Picachu revolutions as I like to call them.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025...ed-by-gen-z-movement-draws-older-govt-critics
That's the thing. What you reduce to individual agency is in reality also influenced by hundreds of thousands of factors. Factors out of our control. When these people chose to live in poverty without resorting to crime, they actually had less environmental pressure to fall into it that the others. Sometimes, all it takes is one parameter, one moment. It's difficult to explain such complexity in only 3 lines.
Of course, all individual action boils down to the " invisible hand of society" in the end:suresure:
 
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