Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion
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I donât care about odas justification, the fact that the reason Orochi and Kanjuro as villains existed was because the phrase âKurozumi are born to burnâ where all of Wano was punishing an entire clan of mostly innocents for the actions of a few
This is just trash tier writing. Perfect ending for the worst arc in the big 3
This is just trash tier writing. Perfect ending for the worst arc in the big 3
A part of the agreement was being fulfilled, which kept Odenâs hope alive that Kaidou would eventually leave the country. As Kaidou himself pointed out, Oden had changed. He used to act recklessly and didnât care about losses, but he returned from the sea a different man. He tried to solve things without bloodshed, and instead of sacrificing people, he chose to spare them and sacrifice himself by dancing so they could be saved.
On top of that, when Oden decided to confront Orochi in the castle, he was completely alone. He wasnât even remotely prepared to face Kaidou at that moment, so agreeing to a peaceful approach was the better option.
He wasnât losing much by doing so. People were being saved while he danced, and even though Wano changed visually, the samurai were still there, ready to be used against Kaidou at any time. The problem is that Kaidou made his move first by killing Hyogoroâs family, who was one of Odenâs strongest allies.
After that, Oden decided to go to war against Kaidou, but Orochi had already anticipated this and had a spy among the Red Scabbards, something completely outside Odenâs control. Who could imagine that among his most loyal retainers, one of them would betray him?
His plan was good: kill Kaidou while he was drunk and asleep on the island, without causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
At no point was he foolish.
On top of that, when Oden decided to confront Orochi in the castle, he was completely alone. He wasnât even remotely prepared to face Kaidou at that moment, so agreeing to a peaceful approach was the better option.
He wasnât losing much by doing so. People were being saved while he danced, and even though Wano changed visually, the samurai were still there, ready to be used against Kaidou at any time. The problem is that Kaidou made his move first by killing Hyogoroâs family, who was one of Odenâs strongest allies.
After that, Oden decided to go to war against Kaidou, but Orochi had already anticipated this and had a spy among the Red Scabbards, something completely outside Odenâs control. Who could imagine that among his most loyal retainers, one of them would betray him?
His plan was good: kill Kaidou while he was drunk and asleep on the island, without causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
At no point was he foolish.
Blaming the entire clan and saying all should be killed because of one manâs action is what caused the whole Wano arc.
Oda thinking that using the slogan that was used as a slogan for the attempted genocide of a clan and thinking itâs good writing is pretty indicative of why people say oda fell off in Wano.
Oda thinking that using the slogan that was used as a slogan for the attempted genocide of a clan and thinking itâs good writing is pretty indicative of why people say oda fell off in Wano.
When he was twerking on the street for 5 years instead of asking for help. 
On top of that, the idea that Wano needs external forces to deal with its enemies is something both Oden and his son reject outright. Momonosuke made that very clear in front of Green Bull as he shouted multiple times for Yamato not to interfere. They need to be able to defend themselves, because Luffy wonât always be there.
Their pride in this context isnât a flaw at all.
And to reinforce this, Hyogoro himself wondered what could have happened if, back then, he had joined forces with Oden against Kaidou. His reflection shows that, yes, they truly had a real chance of winning.
Dancing for five years, becoming a joke to the very people he was trying to protect, and still saving lives in silence while being mocked, is one of the most heroic acts in this entire manga. He endured everything without saying a word. No matter how much people twist the situation, no one will convince me that this makes him foolish or idiotic. Much less a clown. He did what no one else would have the courage to do.
