Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

[Zoinks52]

They Taste Bad lol

Hunger is the best seasoning

 

[GeneralP123]

Dancing for five years, becoming a joke to the very people he was trying to protect, and still saving lives in silence while being mocked, is one of the most heroic acts in this entire manga. He endured everything without saying a word. No matter how much people twist the situation, no one will convince me that this makes him foolish or idiotic. Much less a clown. He did what no one else would have the courage to do.

If only he gathered the forces of Wano to fight Kaido at his weakest, instead of dancing like a clown and trading his whole country for a few hostages that would eventually just become slaves.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Nik = Zori is # 1
Testicle supplier = Zoro is almost equal to Sanji

And that rat believes he's a better Zoro fan than you.

Which of us has Mihawk below Kaido and Oden above Rayleigh

 

[Monet]

Dancing for five years, becoming a joke to the very people he was trying to protect, and still saving lives in silence while being mocked, is one of the most heroic acts in this entire manga. He endured everything without saying a word. No matter how much people twist the situation, no one will convince me that this makes him foolish or idiotic. Much less a clown. He did what no one else would have the courage to do.

Idiots see Idiotic actions as chivalry

 

[SakazOuki]

"Tell me you are a schizo without telling me you are a schzio."

Fixed
Dude just wants attention, once he gets it he bites the hand that fed him

 

[The DevilMaster]

He had no reason to even believe the initial promise would be fulfilled, and no, he didn't save anyone, he just traded all the people in Wano for a few hostages.

He had a reason to believe it, because Orochi fulfilled the first part of the agreement by releasing hostages, proving the promise wasn’t completely empty. And Oden didn’t trade Wano for “a few hostages.” He prevented an immediate massacre that would have killed thousands and saved lives in a real, tangible way, day after day, while buying time to look for a better solution. As for the samurai, their loyalty or betrayal was not something Oden could control; each of them had their own choice. What was in his control was preventing deaths at that moment, and that’s exactly what he did.

 

[GeneralP123]

He had a reason to believe it, because Orochi fulfilled the first part of the agreement by releasing hostages, proving the promise wasn’t completely empty. And Oden didn’t trade Wano for “a few hostages.” He prevented an immediate massacre that would have killed thousands and saved lives in a real, tangible way, day after day, while buying time to look for a better solution. As for the samurai, their loyalty or betrayal was not something Oden could control; each of them had their own choice. What was in his control was preventing deaths at that moment, and that’s exactly what he did.

He had no reason to even agree to the initial hostage release deal, only a brainless moron would risk his whole country for a couple of hostages without any guarantee.
Buying time=Turning Wano's people into malnourished slaves.

 

[Kumathegoat]

A part of the agreement was being fulfilled, which kept Oden’s hope alive that Kaidou would eventually leave the country. As Kaidou himself pointed out, Oden had changed. He used to act recklessly and didn’t care about losses, but he returned from the sea a different man. He tried to solve things without bloodshed, and instead of sacrificing people, he chose to spare them and sacrifice himself by dancing so they could be saved.
On top of that, when Oden decided to confront Orochi in the castle, he was completely alone. He wasn’t even remotely prepared to face Kaidou at that moment, so agreeing to a peaceful approach was the better option.

He wasn’t losing much by doing so. People were being saved while he danced, and even though Wano changed visually, the samurai were still there, ready to be used against Kaidou at any time. The problem is that Kaidou made his move first by killing Hyogoro’s family, who was one of Oden’s strongest allies.

After that, Oden decided to go to war against Kaidou, but Orochi had already anticipated this and had a spy among the Red Scabbards, something completely outside Oden’s control. Who could imagine that among his most loyal retainers, one of them would betray him?

His plan was good: kill Kaidou while he was drunk and asleep on the island, without causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.

At no point was he foolish.

Oden was a complete fool.

He had very powerful allies, Roger and Whitebeard. If he asked for help, Wano would be saved.

Oden believed in Kaido and Orochi and was a horrible leader trying to save his world alone

 

[nik87]

Who will be zolo first victim that taste the real coc ?! Somers kilingham imu or dorry and brogy ?!

Imu is about to have a taste of the actual Pinnacle of Existence.

Fixed
Dude just wants attention, once he gets it he bites the hand that fed him

 

[The DevilMaster]

Idiots see Idiotic actions as chivalry

Luffy and Zoro risked the entire plan to defeat Kaidou and save a country just to protect a single life, Otama’s. Think about that. Even Luffy, who many call an idiot, made the same choice back in chapter 923.

A lot of people would do exactly what Oden did in that situation. Law would risk everything to save Bepo and his crew, just like countless other characters would do for their own.
So no, Oden is not a fool.
Oden is a damn hero. If he had not lost to Kaido, Nika, the one who is truly going to change the world, would never have reappeared. LOL

Oden left his mark on the world. LOL

 

[Kumathegoat]

Luffy is a fool, too

 

[GeneralP123]

Oden was a complete fool.

He had very powerful allies, Roger and Whitebeard. If he asked for help, Wano would be saved.

Oden believed in Kaido and Orochi and was a horrible leader trying to save his world alone

Any other option he chose would be better than what he did.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Who will be zolo first victim that taste the real coc ?! Somers kilingham imu or dorry and brogy ?!

Dorry

 

[The DevilMaster]

Oden was a complete fool.

He had very powerful allies, Roger and Whitebeard. If he asked for help, Wano would be saved.

Oden believed in Kaido and Orochi and was a horrible leader trying to save his world alone

Wano was fully capable at that time of overthrowing Kaidou’s rule and removing Orochi from the position of Shogun. Kaidou himself admitted he had no idea what would happen if Oden chose to unite with Hyogoro and all the samurai of the country. It would have been a tough battle, but completely possible. That’s why asking for outside help wasn’t necessary, and this alone already breaks your first argument. And Oden’s choice to dance so the hostages could be saved, even while he became a laughingstock in Wano and destroyed his own reputation, is the kind of act only a true hero commits.

On top of that, the idea that Wano needs external forces to deal with its enemies is something both Oden and his son reject outright. Momonosuke made that very clear in front of Green Bull as he shouted multiple times for Yamato not to interfere. They need to be able to defend themselves, because Luffy won’t always be there.

Their pride in this context isn’t a flaw at all.
And to reinforce this, Hyogoro himself wondered what could have happened if, back then, he had joined forces with Oden against Kaidou. His reflection shows that, yes, they truly had a real chance of winning.

.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Who will be zolo first victim that taste the real coc ?! Somers kilingham imu or dorry and brogy ?!

Dory the strongest swordsman on Elbaf

 

[fanboy]

Every blade can turn into a black blade if you have the abyssal seal from Imu.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Wano was fully capable at that time of overthrowing Kaidou’s rule and removing Orochi from the position of Shogun. Kaidou himself admitted he had no idea what would happen if Oden chose to unite with Hyogoro and all the samurai of the country. It would have been a tough battle, but completely possible. That’s why asking for outside help wasn’t necessary, and this alone already breaks your first argument. And Oden’s choice to dance so the hostages could be saved, even while he became a laughingstock in Wano and destroyed his own reputation, is the kind of act only a true hero commits.

On top of that, the idea that Wano needs external forces to deal with its enemies is something both Oden and his son reject outright. Momonosuke made that very clear in front of Green Bull as he shouted multiple times for Yamato not to interfere. They need to be able to defend themselves, because Luffy won’t always be there.

Their pride in this context isn’t a flaw at all.
And to reinforce this, Hyogoro himself wondered what could have happened if, back then, he had joined forces with Oden against Kaidou. His reflection shows that, yes, they truly had a real chance of winning.

Why not just kill their asses off the rip? Who cares about hostages when you could just save the whole country

 

[Kumathegoat]

Oden was a horrible shogun, just admit it

 

[GeneralP123]

.

If a criminal takes over my home and I'm captured by a that criminal, please don't dance for 5 years while my whole home suffers and my family slowly dies, I'd already accept the fact that I'm dead anyway in that situation.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Oden was a horrible shogun, just admit it

This was sort of the point, but the problem is his decisions are WAY too dumb and people dickride him in verse too much considering that.