Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
No, what you're trying to imply is that the left cannot, by definition by Authoritative, Which is wrong by how they act. You are hiding behind definitions. Very C4N like, snake ish. They try to remake definitions to suit their agenda.
They are Authoritative, just not Nationalistic. I'll call them Fascist in name, Does that make you feel better? smh.

Supression of Opposition, also something they do.
1. My post does not say nor imply that the left cannot be authoritarian. You are strawmanning to make a point.

2. C4N's gimmick was not using terms correctly by defintion and changing them. Since when was his thing hiding behind factual defintions? Assuming more things to justify a strawman?

3. Leftists cannot be fascist by defintion. Fascism is factually, by definition, a far right ideology. Mentioning other people is irrelevant.

It's like claiming right wing captalists are communist. And it sounds like that you don't know that fascism is a type of authoritarianism, since apparently saying the left cant be fascist = can't be authoritarian somehow.
 
By nature, ethnonationalism is fascism and colonialism. You don't like that? Accept it, because I won't budge.
I mean it literally isn’t though

China is ethnonationalist, but they are communists, not fascists
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No, just a colonist.
I mean, the same way you can call any American a colonizer. You’re not really saying much here.
 
I do believe my post didn't say that
That's why I'm asking. Can you clarify?


I mean it literally isn’t though

China is ethnonationalist, but they are communists, not fascists
You are mistaking me here. I didn't say that because Israel is ethnonationalist, therefore Israel is Fascist. Ethnonationalism is a fascist idea, be it for State communist china or Israel, but China doesn't rely on this to fund its entire politics. And that's what Israel does. You see Israel's ethnonationalism is the CORNERSTONE of the existence of this state. Without it, it has no legitimacy.


I mean, the same way you can call any American a colonizer. You’re not really saying much here.
Well yeah... Colonialism never really ended there (like in many places in the world as well really) and there were never real reparations for the native. So yeah. Some people and systems in the US could still be considered as colonizers and the US as a colonizing country. It's a different form of colonialism, it's settler colonialism still at work, an advanced form of what is happening in the Israel right now.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
That's why I'm asking. Can you clarify?
How about a real lfie example to show what I'm talking about. Martin Luther King Jr. preached nonviolence not to be the better person, but because he knew any act of retaliation will be used against them. The media was already portraying them as a violent mob to justify police action. He encouraged those of the civil rights movement to keep each other strong and in check. Nonviolence would hold the mirror up to the real monsters oppressing them. This is one of the reasons the Civil Rights movement was so successful, as the media had no real evidence to fuel their lies.

Leftism is infamously disorganized and fractured. They dont act with the media being against them in mind, and the media and politicians can use facts to tell lies. There is no shortage of dumbass leftist and liberals to give free content and paint the movement as a whole.
 
To be honest all political parties in the UK support this "Big Brother" tier policies

Leftists liberals conservatives, all support stuff that would cause riots in America

Funny thing is that this is because of Blair, even Thatcher avoided it , Blair who is Clinton's friend destroyed the UK
 
To be honest all political parties in the UK support this "Big Brother" tier policies

Leftists liberals conservatives, all support stuff that would cause riots in America

Funny thing is that this is because of Blair, even Thatcher avoided it , Blair who is Clinton's friend destroyed the UK
So you're not just a dating advice expert, you're also a political analyst? Interesting :PepeReport:
 
Martin Luther King Jr. preached nonviolence not to be the better person, but because he knew any act of retaliation will be used against them.
Careful, you said: "he knew", but in reality he thought* Non violence as its limits in term of activism and that's something MLK didn't understood. In fact, that's precisely why MLK is now quoted not only by simple liberals but also by the far right. MLK was what the system needed him to be: a symbol that could be recuperated.

Nonviolence would hold the mirror up to the real monsters oppressing them. This is one of the reasons the Civil Rights movement was so successful, as the media had no real evidence to fuel their lies.
Only to a certain point. In reality, change was possible because other people were pushing behind. (Black panthers, communist and black thinkers). Revolutionary change cannot happen by asking nicely. Power is not given, power is taken. Especially under capitalism where the material interest of the power do not align with marginalized.

Leftism is infamously disorganized and fractured. They dont act with the media being against them in mind, and the media and politicians can use facts to tell lies.
And that's what you have been missing. You think that leftist don't take that into account. But I can assure you, that in reality we all do. In fact, France is a clear example where exemplarity doesn't align with success. And I think if you understood the importance of material interests, you would understand why I say all of that.



You are looking here at the leader of the main leftist movement in France, radical, but MUCH LESSER than I am. This guy is HATED by everyone else on its right (from communist to socialist to liberals to far rightist etc.) and yet he succeeds.. why? Because he scream? Nah.... Because he or his movement can be conflictual? Yeah... but naaaaaah. :



In reality, the guy & people inside the movement like Rima Hassan here are hated because they are the incarnation of a necessary rupture between liberalism and what should be socialism and overall different question like antiracism, anticolonialism etc. And here lies the truth: People vote for their material interest first in the hierarchy of gender, class and race



And under capitalism, today, the interests are clear: The model of society can't be questioned, white supremacy must be used a tool for the elite to keep the power, meritocracy must not be questionned, productivity must be pushed, Marginalization must be shut down, revolutionnary thinking must be suppressed.



THIS, is the result of non violence under neoliberalism and unchecked power. This is but a taste of what you are about to witness in the US in the next few years on non violent prostestor. There will be no such thing as a movement of change that take the power without anger or a form of violence, either vocal or physical.



Because it is not in the material interest of the power to allow what was allowed to MLK before. MLK wasn't a revolutionnary. He was the product of a system that pushed black people to conform. To assimilate. To be exemples and be later recuperated. MLK was convenient for the power... until he wasn't.




The reality is that MLK radicalized later in life and was probably heading toward something much more radical than me and you or many leftists. The reality is that "I have a dream" overshadowed everything, not by design, but by the power and targeted education. The reality is that MLK would have hated the imperialism of Obama.



The power needs "non violent" or "non radical" leftists to maintain itself.
 
To be honest all political parties in the UK support this "Big Brother" tier policies

Leftists liberals conservatives, all support stuff that would cause riots in America

Funny thing is that this is because of Blair, even Thatcher avoided it , Blair who is Clinton's friend destroyed the UK
I haven’t seen any riots in the US in decades of Patriot Act and even after the Snowden revelations but yeah okay it’s America Freedom Über Alles all day everyday for ever :suresure:
 
Leftist can't be fascist by definition.
Just saying, these pseudoscientific definitions were saying a lot of mad shit about black people in a not so distant past. You gotta take what academia says with a grain with salt.
1. My post does not say nor imply that the left cannot be authoritarian. You are strawmanning to make a point.

2. C4N's gimmick was not using terms correctly by defintion and changing them. Since when was his thing hiding behind factual defintions? Assuming more things to justify a strawman?

3. Leftists cannot be fascist by defintion. Fascism is factually, by definition, a far right ideology. Mentioning other people is irrelevant.

It's like claiming right wing captalists are communist. And it sounds like that you don't know that fascism is a type of authoritarianism, since apparently saying the left cant be fascist = can't be authoritarian somehow.
Fascism has more in common with left-wing ideologies than conservative ones. We already had this conversation. Sociology and political science aren't really scientific, btw. These definitions are broad and inaccurate. Fascism can mean multiple things. All fascist regimes had characteristics that were unique to them too. "Fascist" doesn't really mean shit.
 
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Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Just saying, these pseudoscientific definitions were saying a lot of mad shit about black people in a not so distant past. You gotta take what academia says with a grain with salt.

Fascism has more in common with left-wing ideologies than conservative ones. We already had this conversation. Sociology and political science aren't really scientific, btw. These definitions are broad and inaccurate. Fascism can mean multiple things. All fascist regimes had characteristics that were unique to them too. "Fascist" doesn't really mean shit.
Fascism is a far right ideology. Nazism is a far right ideology. Saying "the textbook definition could be wrong" isn't an argument, especially since Fascism came to be defined by far right regimes, follows extreme right wing ideologies, and is accurately defined as one. It is nothing like the factually false rhetoric used by racists against black people. Ain't nothing psudeoscientific about a far right ideology being a far right ideology.
 
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