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Careful, you said: "he knew", but in reality he thought* Non violence as its limits in term of activism and that's something MLK didn't understood. In fact, that's precisely why MLK is now quoted not only by simple liberals but also by the far right. MLK was what the system needed him to be: a symbol that could be recuperated.
Only to a certain point. In reality, change was possible because other people were pushing behind. (Black panthers, communist and black thinkers). Revolutionary change cannot happen by asking nicely. Power is not given, power is taken. Especially under capitalism where the material interest of the power do not align with marginalized.
And that's what you have been missing. You think that leftist don't take that into account. But I can assure you, that in reality we all do. In fact, France is a clear example where exemplarity doesn't align with success. And I think if you understood the importance of material interests, you would understand why I say all of that.
You are looking here at the leader of the main leftist movement in France, radical, but MUCH LESSER than I am. This guy is HATED by everyone else on its right (from communist to socialist to liberals to far rightist etc.) and yet he succeeds.. why? Because he scream? Nah.... Because he or his movement can be conflictual? Yeah... but naaaaaah. :
In reality, the guy & people inside the movement like Rima Hassan here are hated because they are the incarnation of a necessary rupture between liberalism and what should be socialism and overall different question like antiracism, anticolonialism etc. And here lies the truth: People vote for their material interest first in the hierarchy of gender, class and race
And under capitalism, today, the interests are clear: The model of society can't be questioned, white supremacy must be used a tool for the elite to keep the power, meritocracy must not be questionned, productivity must be pushed, Marginalization must be shut down, revolutionnary thinking must be suppressed.
THIS, is the result of non violence under neoliberalism and unchecked power. This is but a taste of what you are about to witness in the US in the next few years on non violent prostestor. There will be no such thing as a movement of change that take the power without anger or a form of violence, either vocal or physical.
Because it is not in the material interest of the power to allow what was allowed to MLK before. MLK wasn't a revolutionnary. He was the product of a system that pushed black people to conform. To assimilate. To be exemples and be later recuperated. MLK was convenient for the power... until he wasn't.
The reality is that MLK radicalized later in life and was probably heading toward something much more radical than me and you or many leftists. The reality is that "I have a dream" overshadowed everything, not by design, but by the power and targeted education. The reality is that MLK would have hated the imperialism of Obama.
The power needs "non violent" or "non radical" leftists to maintain itself.
Only to a certain point. In reality, change was possible because other people were pushing behind. (Black panthers, communist and black thinkers). Revolutionary change cannot happen by asking nicely. Power is not given, power is taken. Especially under capitalism where the material interest of the power do not align with marginalized.
And that's what you have been missing. You think that leftist don't take that into account. But I can assure you, that in reality we all do. In fact, France is a clear example where exemplarity doesn't align with success. And I think if you understood the importance of material interests, you would understand why I say all of that.
You are looking here at the leader of the main leftist movement in France, radical, but MUCH LESSER than I am. This guy is HATED by everyone else on its right (from communist to socialist to liberals to far rightist etc.) and yet he succeeds.. why? Because he scream? Nah.... Because he or his movement can be conflictual? Yeah... but naaaaaah. :
In reality, the guy & people inside the movement like Rima Hassan here are hated because they are the incarnation of a necessary rupture between liberalism and what should be socialism and overall different question like antiracism, anticolonialism etc. And here lies the truth: People vote for their material interest first in the hierarchy of gender, class and race
And under capitalism, today, the interests are clear: The model of society can't be questioned, white supremacy must be used a tool for the elite to keep the power, meritocracy must not be questionned, productivity must be pushed, Marginalization must be shut down, revolutionnary thinking must be suppressed.
THIS, is the result of non violence under neoliberalism and unchecked power. This is but a taste of what you are about to witness in the US in the next few years on non violent prostestor. There will be no such thing as a movement of change that take the power without anger or a form of violence, either vocal or physical.
Because it is not in the material interest of the power to allow what was allowed to MLK before. MLK wasn't a revolutionnary. He was the product of a system that pushed black people to conform. To assimilate. To be exemples and be later recuperated. MLK was convenient for the power... until he wasn't.
The reality is that MLK radicalized later in life and was probably heading toward something much more radical than me and you or many leftists. The reality is that "I have a dream" overshadowed everything, not by design, but by the power and targeted education. The reality is that MLK would have hated the imperialism of Obama.
The power needs "non violent" or "non radical" leftists to maintain itself.
https://www.newsweek.com/blue-collar-jobs-are-collapsing-under-trump-11127115
AI is stealing white collar jobs, intentionally suppressed wages are choking out blue collar workers, grocery and gas prices refuse to go down, and ICE crackdowns aren’t leading to an American productivity boom like the dumbest assholes thought they would…but at least your Starbucks cashier has to say “Merry Christmas” and kowtow to the six miserable MAGAt snowflakes who still get upset about that kind of thing!! @Ravagerblade Here’s hoping the brass at your insane asylum can afford to put a little cinnamon or nutmeg in your morning medications for that special holiday feeling
AI is stealing white collar jobs, intentionally suppressed wages are choking out blue collar workers, grocery and gas prices refuse to go down, and ICE crackdowns aren’t leading to an American productivity boom like the dumbest assholes thought they would…but at least your Starbucks cashier has to say “Merry Christmas” and kowtow to the six miserable MAGAt snowflakes who still get upset about that kind of thing!! @Ravagerblade Here’s hoping the brass at your insane asylum can afford to put a little cinnamon or nutmeg in your morning medications for that special holiday feeling
It’s a reference to the whole “War on Christmas” shit that Fox News has been shoving down everyone’s throats for the better part of 30 years…since conservatives love hyperfixating on minuscule shit that doesn’t actually impact anything, they’re always up in arms about retail/customer service workers saying “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas” because it makes them upset when other people’s feelings on any given thing are taken into account. Personally, I have never once been offended by someone wishing me a Merry Christmas - even if I don’t celebrate it myself, I recognize that the majority of folks in this country do and are (mostly) trying to be nice and kind by saying it. However, I also realize that those who don’t celebrate might not want to feel like their own holidays are being excluded, so unless you’re an overbearing douchebag like most righties, it’s not the worst thing to hedge your bets and use the all-inclusive term just to be safe. Still, Donnie and his goons wanna weaponize Christmas like they’ve done with so many otherwise benign “issues” to rile up the lowest common denominators, so every year we get to do this dumb fucking dance 
Here, I’ll throw an anti-woke bread crumb to our resident dipshit bootlickers…I worked in retail as a teenager and once said “Merry Christmas” to a customer after ringing them up, and they frowned and said, “You know, you should really say ‘Happy Holidays’ because some people DON’T celebrate Christmas”; I responded, “Yeah, I’m one of them, but it doesn’t bother me” and they left in a huff
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Here, I’ll throw an anti-woke bread crumb to our resident dipshit bootlickers…I worked in retail as a teenager and once said “Merry Christmas” to a customer after ringing them up, and they frowned and said, “You know, you should really say ‘Happy Holidays’ because some people DON’T celebrate Christmas”; I responded, “Yeah, I’m one of them, but it doesn’t bother me” and they left in a huff
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It’s a reference to the whole “War on Christmas” shit that Fox News has been shoving down everyone’s throats for the better part of 30 years…since conservatives love hyperfixating on minuscule shit that doesn’t actually impact anything, they’re always up in arms about retail/customer service workers saying “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas” because it makes them upset when other people’s feelings on any given thing are taken into account. Personally, I have never once been offended by someone wishing me a Merry Christmas - even if I don’t celebrate it myself, I recognize that the majority of folks in this country do and are (mostly) trying to be nice and kind by saying it. However, I also realize that those who don’t celebrate might not want to feel like their own holidays are being excluded, so unless you’re an overbearing douchebag like most righties, it’s not the worst thing to hedge your bets and use the all-inclusive term just to be safe. Still, Donnie and his goons wanna weaponize Christmas like they’ve done with so many otherwise benign “issues” to rile up the lowest common denominators, so every year we get to do this dumb fucking dance
Here, I’ll throw an anti-woke bread crumb to our resident dipshit bootlickers…I worked in retail as a teenager and once said “Merry Christmas” to a customer after ringing them up, and they frowned and said, “You know, you should really say ‘Happy Holidays’ because some people DON’T celebrate Christmas”; I responded, “Yeah, I’m one of them, but it doesn’t bother me” and they left in a huff
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Here, I’ll throw an anti-woke bread crumb to our resident dipshit bootlickers…I worked in retail as a teenager and once said “Merry Christmas” to a customer after ringing them up, and they frowned and said, “You know, you should really say ‘Happy Holidays’ because some people DON’T celebrate Christmas”; I responded, “Yeah, I’m one of them, but it doesn’t bother me” and they left in a huff
https://www.newsweek.com/blue-collar-jobs-are-collapsing-under-trump-11127115
AI is stealing white collar jobs, intentionally suppressed wages are choking out blue collar workers, grocery and gas prices refuse to go down, and ICE crackdowns aren’t leading to an American productivity boom like the dumbest assholes thought they would…but at least your Starbucks cashier has to say “Merry Christmas” and kowtow to the six miserable MAGAt snowflakes who still get upset about that kind of thing!! @Ravagerblade Here’s hoping the brass at your insane asylum can afford to put a little cinnamon or nutmeg in your morning medications for that special holiday feeling
AI is stealing white collar jobs, intentionally suppressed wages are choking out blue collar workers, grocery and gas prices refuse to go down, and ICE crackdowns aren’t leading to an American productivity boom like the dumbest assholes thought they would…but at least your Starbucks cashier has to say “Merry Christmas” and kowtow to the six miserable MAGAt snowflakes who still get upset about that kind of thing!! @Ravagerblade Here’s hoping the brass at your insane asylum can afford to put a little cinnamon or nutmeg in your morning medications for that special holiday feeling
Most of the stuff that was offshored is unproductive work
Not to mention that Blue Collar Heavily depends on the prosperity of White Collar, Machinists are way less likely to call plumbers for the smallest issues
Nazi/Russian propaganda. Couldn't expect less.
There was no land stole. It was all bought or given (public lands in control of British Empire).
None of it was debunked. Netanyahu walked around UN corridors exposing those FACTS. Like you need an agenda to be against a terrorist group like Hamas.
WTF are you talking dude.
If Hamas is the biggest, strongest group and in charge of control of Palestine how such militias could do such thing as claimed by you? You are very slow dude
Because they did no war crime, that's why no international justice court ever said they did.
There is no aggresion from Israel. It's always the arabs attacking them since day 1, and losing every single war by the way.
Talking about yourself as usual
There was no land stole. It was all bought or given (public lands in control of British Empire).
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None of it was debunked. Netanyahu walked around UN corridors exposing those FACTS. Like you need an agenda to be against a terrorist group like Hamas.
WTF are you talking dude.
If Hamas is the biggest, strongest group and in charge of control of Palestine how such militias could do such thing as claimed by you? You are very slow dude
Because they did no war crime, that's why no international justice court ever said they did.
There is no aggresion from Israel. It's always the arabs attacking them since day 1, and losing every single war by the way.
Talking about yourself as usual
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It was never the case, in terms of the "plural majority job" it was Always
Herding/Agriculture/whatever you wanna call pre Industrial farm stuff
To low skill Factory stuff that people who call themselves skilled Blue Collar workers will insult as for morons
To the current service focused stuff that's basically Blue Collar in everything but " masculine aesthetics"
The idea that people in the 50s were Rebel without a cause "cool traders" with Mullets is weird
Herding/Agriculture/whatever you wanna call pre Industrial farm stuff
To low skill Factory stuff that people who call themselves skilled Blue Collar workers will insult as for morons
To the current service focused stuff that's basically Blue Collar in everything but " masculine aesthetics"
The idea that people in the 50s were Rebel without a cause "cool traders" with Mullets is weird
The only time I remember is when Israrel got information they'd be attacked so they attacked first. That 6 days war. Otherwise would probably last much longer and have much more deaths from both sides.
You mean the lands that went into war against Israel? They EARNED. Not like they stole like bully. And don't forget that very recently they give away some lands, even taking by force Israeli that didn't wanted to leave, just in order to seek peace. And even that wasn't enough.
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You mean the lands that went into war against Israel? They EARNED. Not like they stole like bully. And don't forget that very recently they give away some lands, even taking by force Israeli that didn't wanted to leave, just in order to seek peace. And even that wasn't enough.
I would argue that the 80s lebanon war was stupid and Unprovoked, not attacking PLA, but the dumb Southern Lebanon State Stuff
Especially given the context that Shia believe that Omar was a Kaffir for building a Mosque in Jerusalem in the first place and thus didn't really care about Palestine anymore than for example Christian Baathists in Syria
Especially given the context that Shia believe that Omar was a Kaffir for building a Mosque in Jerusalem in the first place and thus didn't really care about Palestine anymore than for example Christian Baathists in Syria
I mean thinking America will get those large factory jobs back, it won’t happen because they are inefficient Af and even if we were to bring those factories to the U.S a lot of the processes are automated
every politician talks about reviving the rust belt when the truth is even if we were to reopen factories “low skilled” labor wouldn’t exist for the most part.
Israel definitely provoked the Arab forces, there isn’t much proof to the allegations that they were preemptive
every politician talks about reviving the rust belt when the truth is even if we were to reopen factories “low skilled” labor wouldn’t exist for the most part.
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Israel definitely provoked the Arab forces, there isn’t much proof to the allegations that they were preemptive