Future Events When Sanji unlocks Conqueror's Haki, would that affect people's opinions on Sanji's character?
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Apologies for the lazy reply but I already responded to most of these same questions.
Luffy has never once given up on being pirate king. To say that he couldn't become PK without his friends would only be giving up if he gave up on said friends. Obviously, we had WCI for one thing because he'd never do that.
And that was the end of it, right? He didn't want to marry her?
Luffy has never once given up on being pirate king. To say that he couldn't become PK without his friends would only be giving up if he gave up on said friends. Obviously, we had WCI for one thing because he'd never do that.
He literally rejected her upon their first meeting?
He didn’t. Her happiness was at best a consolation prize for him. Literally he told her that if he has to stay here the least he can do is make her happy and that’s how he would be able to stomach living like this.
At no point was this Sanjis desired option. To the end he didn’t want to marry pudding he wanted to return to the sunny
At no point was this Sanjis desired option. To the end he didn’t want to marry pudding he wanted to return to the sunny
Disagreeing with facts is your prerogative.
It's rude to try and pretend you're not though.
I didn't have to say it.
I always @ people when I mention them or reference their post, that's just good manners. You "invited a response" but mine would be no different from @Doggo - which is to point out the obvious in that Harald contradicts your silly argument about subservience.
You keep running from the simple fact your position boils down to a disagreement with facts, not about them.
It's rude to try and pretend you're not though.
I didn't have to say it.
I always @ people when I mention them or reference their post, that's just good manners. You "invited a response" but mine would be no different from @Doggo - which is to point out the obvious in that Harald contradicts your silly argument about subservience.
You keep running from the simple fact your position boils down to a disagreement with facts, not about them.
Disagreeing with facts is your prerogative.
It's rude to try and pretend you're not though.
I didn't have to say it.
I always @ people when I mention them. You "invited a response" but mine would be no different from @Doggo - which is to point out the obvious in that Harald contradicts your silly argument about subservience.
You keep running from the simple fact your position boils down to with facts, not about them. :suresure;
It's rude to try and pretend you're not though.
I didn't have to say it.
I always @ people when I mention them. You "invited a response" but mine would be no different from @Doggo - which is to point out the obvious in that Harald contradicts your silly argument about subservience.
You keep running from the simple fact your position boils down to with facts, not about them. :suresure;
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So why did her betrayal make him cry?
Do you think he would have ever made a plan to see All Blue if Luffy didn't break out to go get him?
Harald is Conqueror that offered his own enslavement enthusiastically and in all seriousness.
That's all that matters. The fact you keep running away from it just means you know you're cooked.
On more respectable forums with standards, where undesirables like @Doggo could never be mod, your kind of disingenuous, pussyfooting time wasting would be a bannable offense.
That's all that matters. The fact you keep running away from it just means you know you're cooked.
On more respectable forums with standards, where undesirables like @Doggo could never be mod, your kind of disingenuous, pussyfooting time wasting would be a bannable offense.
On more respectable forums with standards, where undesirables like @Doggo could never be mod,
Harald is Conqueror that offered his own enslavement enthusiastically and in all seriousness.
That's all that matters. The fact you keep running away from it just means you know you're cooked.
On more respectable forums with standards, where undesirables like @Doggo could never be mod, your kind of disingenuous, pussyfooting time wasting would be a bannable offense.
That's all that matters. The fact you keep running away from it just means you know you're cooked.
On more respectable forums with standards, where undesirables like @Doggo could never be mod, your kind of disingenuous, pussyfooting time wasting would be a bannable offense.
Harald was stupid but Imu and the Gorosei knew he had to be placated, not disrespected, even after they'd taken out Rocks.
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"He had nothing else to live for." Right. So as a conqueror, to whom are we comparing him?
Dude is unironically arguing as if Harald had the upper hand at any point of this negotiation.
LMAO.
Harald is the one that wanted to make Elbaph join the WG in order to better elbaph's relationships with the rest of the world. It wasn't the other way around.
THey made him basically work as a semi-Shichibukai and attack pirates. He became a SUBORDINATE of the HKs.
And you want to argue that the WG was the one trying to appease Harald?
No wonder you bring the baratie panel as an argument.
Absolutely NEGATIVE reading comprehension.
LMAO.
Harald is the one that wanted to make Elbaph join the WG in order to better elbaph's relationships with the rest of the world. It wasn't the other way around.
THey made him basically work as a semi-Shichibukai and attack pirates. He became a SUBORDINATE of the HKs.
And you want to argue that the WG was the one trying to appease Harald?
No wonder you bring the baratie panel as an argument.
Absolutely NEGATIVE reading comprehension.
Dude is unironically arguing as if Harald had the upper hand at any point of this negotiation.
LMAO.
Harald is the one that wanted to make Elbaph join the WG in order to better elbaph's relationships with the rest of the world. It wasn't the other way around.
THey made him basically work as a semi-Shichibukai and attack pirates. He became a SUBORDINATE of the HKs.
And you want to argue that the WG was the one trying to appease Harald?
No wonder you bring the baratie panel as an argument.
Absolutely NEGATIVE reading comprehension.
LMAO.
Harald is the one that wanted to make Elbaph join the WG in order to better elbaph's relationships with the rest of the world. It wasn't the other way around.
THey made him basically work as a semi-Shichibukai and attack pirates. He became a SUBORDINATE of the HKs.
And you want to argue that the WG was the one trying to appease Harald?
No wonder you bring the baratie panel as an argument.
Absolutely NEGATIVE reading comprehension.
Dude will argue "but harald is king of giants" as if it does him any favors, but in reality, it favors our arguments that EVEN someone like Harald was still put in a "subservient" situation and it didnt stop him from being "coc worthy".
But, again. What to expect from someone that uses the baratie thing in almost 2026? Something that is "debunked" in the very same arc?
Mfers complain about no "character growth" when "growth" for them is nothing but powerscaling gains and then go into fucking blue screen mode when a character growth happens in the story.
Who would've thought that presenting challenging situations for characters to spin around and overcome is a thing, right?
Nah. We in the "aura farming" business. And any L is career ending.
But, again. What to expect from someone that uses the baratie thing in almost 2026? Something that is "debunked" in the very same arc?
Mfers complain about no "character growth" when "growth" for them is nothing but powerscaling gains and then go into fucking blue screen mode when a character growth happens in the story.
Who would've thought that presenting challenging situations for characters to spin around and overcome is a thing, right?
Nah. We in the "aura farming" business. And any L is career ending.
No worries, I could see after my reply that other Sanji fans brought up similar points and I get it can be wearing to debate with many people at once.
Sanji never gave up on his dream, I don't see it that way. He simply sacrificed his life, big difference. The fact he didn't sacrifice himself physically, doesn't mean it wasn't a sacrifice of his life. It wasn't about abandoning his dream, it was about doing a selfless act so the people he cared about could keep living/fulfill their own dreams. That was the whole point of WCI, showing his kindness and selflessness. He never claimed or implied that finding All Blue was too hard or anything like that, it wasn't about his dream per se.
What Luffy did for him wasn't meant to show Sanji lacked resolve compared to him, it only showed Luffy wouldn't leave his friends behind, no matter what.
Sanji never gave up on his dream, I don't see it that way. He simply sacrificed his life, big difference. The fact he didn't sacrifice himself physically, doesn't mean it wasn't a sacrifice of his life. It wasn't about abandoning his dream, it was about doing a selfless act so the people he cared about could keep living/fulfill their own dreams. That was the whole point of WCI, showing his kindness and selflessness. He never claimed or implied that finding All Blue was too hard or anything like that, it wasn't about his dream per se.
What Luffy did for him wasn't meant to show Sanji lacked resolve compared to him, it only showed Luffy wouldn't leave his friends behind, no matter what.
Not the question. Which one of them had nothing to live for? Did Ace give up on WB becoming the PK? Did he lose interest in Wano or state he'd return? Did Oden give up on saving Wano? Has Gaban given up on saving Elbaf despite the hostages? Has Garp given up on saving Marines? Has Zoro given up on becoming the best or making Luffy PK? Rocks wanted them to kill him when he was possessed, did he stop caring about the survival of his son?
I don't actually care what randoms on a Japanese comic book think about me. That's not why I post lol.
He did have the upper hand: nothing in the manga tells us that Rocks would have been wrong to believe that Harald on his side couldn't prevail. The endgame characters all understand that the strength of Elbaf is a factor in the final battle.
Harald was unfortunately a very bad judge of the long game, but that describes most characters in the series. If you want Sanji to measure up, you have to realize that the people who captured him had no actual interest in what he has to offer. Judge left without even understanding it.
There's no way you type this shit and think people believe you could be sincere and smart. Shoo.
Shoo.
Dude is unironically arguing as if Harald had the upper hand at any point of this negotiation.
LMAO.
Harald is the one that wanted to make Elbaph join the WG in order to better elbaph's relationships with the rest of the world. It wasn't the other way around.
THey made him basically work as a semi-Shichibukai and attack pirates. He became a SUBORDINATE of the HKs.
And you want to argue that the WG was the one trying to appease Harald?
No wonder you bring the baratie panel as an argument.
Absolutely NEGATIVE reading comprehension.
LMAO.
Harald is the one that wanted to make Elbaph join the WG in order to better elbaph's relationships with the rest of the world. It wasn't the other way around.
THey made him basically work as a semi-Shichibukai and attack pirates. He became a SUBORDINATE of the HKs.
And you want to argue that the WG was the one trying to appease Harald?
No wonder you bring the baratie panel as an argument.
Absolutely NEGATIVE reading comprehension.
Harald was unfortunately a very bad judge of the long game, but that describes most characters in the series. If you want Sanji to measure up, you have to realize that the people who captured him had no actual interest in what he has to offer. Judge left without even understanding it.
