Controversial General Political Discussion

[RyoQ]

tbh that level of nativism is impossible to implement on a national scale in the US. America has always been a nation of immigrants.

the only way nativists can fully achieve their goals is if they advocate secession.

Instead of going for some overarching point about the end goal of nativists, you should meet my point where it's at which is that Trump could end H1B tomorrow and revoke those on it, and ban immigration from China/India.

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Conservatives dance around this and claim they are only against illegal immigration and not immigration generally.

Except for shitheads like nick fuentes

What "conservatives" there is no hegemony on this topic, some conservatives are against all immigration and some against merely legal migration

It isn't "dancing around" it is split within the voterbase. Some legitimately have no issue with the mass legal migration from India & China and only have issue with the mass illegal migration from Latin America

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Conservatives dance around this and claim they are only against illegal immigration and not immigration generally.

Except for shitheads like nick fuentes

It’s not even really conservative. It’s white nationalist.

Folks like Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush jr were all pro legal immigration.

 

[RyoQ]

It’s not even really conservative. It’s white nationalist.

Folks like Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush jr were all pro legal immigration.

Well, yes, white nationalism is one branch of conservatism, another is a more civic nationalist tendency which the greater amount of conservatives have that actually has no issue with legal migration and only with illegal

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Gen Z is probably worse

I wouldn’t even say “probably,” they’re drinking rotten milk from the same YouTuber teats as Ravager so you know they’re irretrievably brainwashed like him…if anything, Millennials are more technologically literate than generations before AND after, I think we know how to recognize manipulative media better than the rest and are more likely to seek out slightly more legitimate sources to help form our opinions. Regardless, it sucks to think that nobody’s coming to save us from the senior racists, we’ve just got more energetic ones coming up from behind

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Instead of going for some overarching point about the end goal of nativists, you should meet my point where it's at which is that Trump could end H1B tomorrow and revoke those on it, and ban immigration from China/India.

The thing is, the US economy is structured on free market capitalism.

We need American companies to be globally competitive. Part of that involves utilizing global talent.

If you get rid of hundreds of thousands of doctors, engineers, and other skilled workers, there will be a fall out. Which is why Trump hasn’t done it yet. If America isn’t utilizing global talent, other countries will, which will allow them to outcompete us.

The best way to stop mass migration is to disassemble American capitalism. But conservatives don’t want that. They don’t want immigrants but they want the benefits that immigrants bring.

Which is why Trump keeps needing to course correct his policies.

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This is why Trump targets people like the Somalis btw.

they are an easy target because they don’t have as much of an economic impact as Indians or Chinese.

they are a weaker group, which makes it easier for Trump to bully them without a major pushback.

Indian and Chinese companies actually invest in the US economy. Imagine what would happen to those relationships if Trump talked about them the same way he talked about Somalis.

 

[RyoQ]

The thing is, the US economy is structured on free market capitalism.

We need American companies to be globally competitive. Part of that involves utilizing global talent.

If you get rid of hundreds of thousands of doctors, engineers, and other skilled
workers, there will be a fall out. .

I don't see any proof there would be some catastrophe should H1B be banned and the very oversaturated migration from India/China be halted and they be sent home.

Although, even if the US economy took some hit, this would be a good thing right? Since these exploitative companies, who are evidently using migration because foreign labor is cheaper and it saves company cost, would have their profits damaged

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Since these exploitative companies, who are evidently using migration because foreign labor is cheaper and it saves company cost, would have their profits damaged

the issue is they won’t stop seeking to lower costs just because you ban foreign workers.

you send these people back to Asia then they’ll further offshoring. Other developed countries will create more visas to attract the talent we are deporting and the companies will invest in those countries instead of the US.

the end result is we’ll all be poorer

It will further nationalist goals, but it won’t actually solve any of the real problems American workers face.

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Really you need more than racial/national identity politics to actually help people. We need competent leaders that actually care about the American people.

Not some rich pedophile grifter

 

[RyoQ]

the issue is they won’t stop seeking to lower costs just because you ban foreign workers.

you send these people back to Asia then they’ll further offshoring. Other developed countries will create more visas to attract the talent we are deporting and the companies will invest in those countries instead of the US.

the end result is we’ll all be poorer

It will further nationalist goals, but it won’t actually solve any of the real problems American workers face.

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Really you need more than racial/national identity politics to actually help people. We need competent leaders that actually care about the American people.

Not some rich pedophile grifter

Hundreds of thousands of jobs opening up for college STEM grads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You care about helping people, no, you care about helping foreigners and the big companies which grift off of them at the expense of the natives who are in a losing competition with them

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Hundreds of thousands of jobs opening up for college STEM grads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why would companies do this?

Why wouldn’t they just relocate their H1-B employees elsewhere and have them work remotely?

Why wouldn’t they just invest more in countries that have a more exploitable labor force?

the reason why I advocated expanding government work to give more people jobs is because the government actually is beholden to the populace while private companies aren’t.

 

[RyoQ]

Why would companies do this?

Why wouldn’t they just relocate their H1-B employees elsewhere and have them work remotely?

Why wouldn’t they just invest more in countries that have a more exploitable labor force?

the reason why I advocated expanding government work to give more people jobs is because the government actually is beholden to the populace while private companies aren’t.

Or they would just hire natives

Lmao at some of these points "why wouldn't they just invest more in countries that have more exploitable-", yes because companies would just pack their bags and leave to the 3rd world after H1B is banned. Seriously, wtf are you talking about man

 

[Monkey D Theories]

, yes because companies would just pack their bags and leave to the 3rd world after H1B is banned.

Actually, yes
https://www.reuters.com/sustainabil...b-visa-fees-move-spurs-offshoring-2025-09-23/

 

[eamonpro]

Those who say it's about oil are the some communists who said that Irak was an oil war. Their existence are a threat to the free world.

“Daddy Trump says it’s because he’s a hero for justice, anyone who sees past his bs is a COMMIE!!!”

 

[Mathias]

“Daddy Trump says it’s because he’s a hero for justice, anyone who sees past his bs is a COMMIE!!!”

Nice profile picture and tag.

 

[RyoQ]

Actually, yes
https://www.reuters.com/sustainabil...b-visa-fees-move-spurs-offshoring-2025-09-23/

Most H1B jobs are in jobs that require physical presence and cannot be offshored. You can look at reports from the DHS which show what jobs occupy the greatest share for H1B applicants and they are not remote roles so to speak lol, maybe 5-10% of them could get offshored and that being generous

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Most H1B jobs are in jobs that require physical presence and cannot be offshored. You can look at reports from the DHS which show what jobs occupy the greatest share for H1B applicants and they are not remote roles so to speak lol, maybe 5-10% of them could get offshored and that being generous

labor is a resource

deporting hundreds of thousands of skilled workers is needlessly wasting said resource.

There is no way that this benefits Americans. If you actually want to ensure Americans have access to jobs, I genuinely don’t know why you oppose expanding government work. That way we can do work that actually benefits the American people and not some egotistical billionaire.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

this is how we helped fight unemployment during the depression

Something like this would benefit the American workers far more than a witch hunt against immigrants

 

[RyoQ]

labor is a resource

deporting hundreds of thousands of skilled workers is needlessly wasting said resource.

There is no way that this benefits Americans. If you actually want to ensure Americans have access to jobs, I genuinely don’t know why you oppose expanding government work. That way we can do work that actually benefits the American people and not some egotistical billionaire.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

this is how we helped fight unemployment during the depression

Something like this would benefit the American workers far more than a witch hunt against immigrants

Nice you had to drop the overseas argument and concede that the majority of H1B jobs would go to Americans. That's literal hundreds of thousands of new jobs if legal immigration was targeted

You have to be completely insane to have no issues with the current system with H1B and how it's being abused by foreigner and big capitalist joint effort.

 

[Zenos7]

It isn't "dancing around" it is split within the voterbase. Some legitimately have no issue with the mass legal migration from India & China and only have issue with the mass illegal migration from Latin America

yes and some are lying little bitches who are against immigration in general but dont have the balls to say so in public

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white nationalist.

disgusting

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Hundreds of thousands of jobs opening up for college STEM grads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You care about helping people, no, you care about helping foreigners and the big companies which grift off of them at the expense of the natives who are in a losing competition with them

i dont know the specifics of your education system, but if its as good as germanys, it sucks and needs some improvement. your point is kinda valid, but do you have enough people who are able to do these stem grads?

 

[RyoQ]

your point is kinda valid, but do you have enough people who are able to do these stem grads?

Yes. Obviously

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yes and some are lying little bitches who are against immigration in general but dont have the balls to say so in public

No in America conservatives are just that tame, I got into an argument with one the other day that wants to deport illegals but supports mass migration from India because it boost economy. Lol

Trust me, there's no confusion about it. Some (most) conservatives zero in on the legality/economics of immigration and so are against illegal, pro-legal. The minority is against illegal + legal, usually due to STEM job theft + white nat leanings

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Nice you had to drop the overseas argument and concede that the majority of H1B jobs would go to Americans. That's literal hundreds of thousands of new jobs if legal immigration was targeted

Maybe. Or the companies will just go elsewhere.

you’re advocating for a level of immigration restriction unseen in most western or developed countries.

If you deport thousands of workers, why would any of the big tech companies continue to invest in the US? Why wouldn’t they go somewhere like Canada, Germany, or elsewhere?

 

[RyoQ]

Maybe. Or the companies will just go elsewhere.

How the hell are companies headquartered here supposed to go elsewhere you dumbass the majority of h1b jobs are not able to be offshored, that is a fantastical delusion not possible at all, and why would they do that rather than just hire domestically


there is no "maybe" they would just be forced to not hire foreign labor anymore

If you deport thousands of workers, why would any of the big tech companies continue to invest in the US? Why wouldn’t they go somewhere like Canada, Germany, or elsewhere?

no?

holy shit, you think if H1B would be banned Meta, Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet would just pack up and restation where all the Indians and Chinese go such as Canada or Germany as if such migrants are actually worth that


Geez, some people seriously overestimating the worth of some visa workers. Yes they save companies money and are an easy pool for labor but that is about it.