Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

Most H1B jobs are in jobs that require physical presence and cannot be offshored. You can look at reports from the DHS which show what jobs occupy the greatest share for H1B applicants and they are not remote roles so to speak lol, maybe 5-10% of them could get offshored and that being generous

labor is a resource

deporting hundreds of thousands of skilled workers is needlessly wasting said resource.

There is no way that this benefits Americans. If you actually want to ensure Americans have access to jobs, I genuinely don’t know why you oppose expanding government work. That way we can do work that actually benefits the American people and not some egotistical billionaire.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

this is how we helped fight unemployment during the depression

Something like this would benefit the American workers far more than a witch hunt against immigrants

 

[RyoQ]

labor is a resource

deporting hundreds of thousands of skilled workers is needlessly wasting said resource.

There is no way that this benefits Americans. If you actually want to ensure Americans have access to jobs, I genuinely don’t know why you oppose expanding government work. That way we can do work that actually benefits the American people and not some egotistical billionaire.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

this is how we helped fight unemployment during the depression

Something like this would benefit the American workers far more than a witch hunt against immigrants

Nice you had to drop the overseas argument and concede that the majority of H1B jobs would go to Americans. That's literal hundreds of thousands of new jobs if legal immigration was targeted

You have to be completely insane to have no issues with the current system with H1B and how it's being abused by foreigner and big capitalist joint effort.

 

[Zenos7]

It isn't "dancing around" it is split within the voterbase. Some legitimately have no issue with the mass legal migration from India & China and only have issue with the mass illegal migration from Latin America

yes and some are lying little bitches who are against immigration in general but dont have the balls to say so in public
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white nationalist.

disgusting
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Hundreds of thousands of jobs opening up for college STEM grads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You care about helping people, no, you care about helping foreigners and the big companies which grift off of them at the expense of the natives who are in a losing competition with them

i dont know the specifics of your education system, but if its as good as germanys, it sucks and needs some improvement. your point is kinda valid, but do you have enough people who are able to do these stem grads?

 

[RyoQ]

your point is kinda valid, but do you have enough people who are able to do these stem grads?

Yes. Obviously
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yes and some are lying little bitches who are against immigration in general but dont have the balls to say so in public

No in America conservatives are just that tame, I got into an argument with one the other day that wants to deport illegals but supports mass migration from India because it boost economy. Lol

Trust me, there's no confusion about it. Some (most) conservatives zero in on the legality/economics of immigration and so are against illegal, pro-legal. The minority is against illegal + legal, usually due to STEM job theft + white nat leanings

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Nice you had to drop the overseas argument and concede that the majority of H1B jobs would go to Americans. That's literal hundreds of thousands of new jobs if legal immigration was targeted

Maybe. Or the companies will just go elsewhere.

you’re advocating for a level of immigration restriction unseen in most western or developed countries.

If you deport thousands of workers, why would any of the big tech companies continue to invest in the US? Why wouldn’t they go somewhere like Canada, Germany, or elsewhere?

 

[RyoQ]

Maybe. Or the companies will just go elsewhere.

How the hell are companies headquartered here supposed to go elsewhere you dumbass the majority of h1b jobs are not able to be offshored, that is a fantastical delusion not possible at all, and why would they do that rather than just hire domestically


there is no "maybe" they would just be forced to not hire foreign labor anymore

If you deport thousands of workers, why would any of the big tech companies continue to invest in the US? Why wouldn’t they go somewhere like Canada, Germany, or elsewhere?

no?

holy shit, you think if H1B would be banned Meta, Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet would just pack up and restation where all the Indians and Chinese go such as Canada or Germany as if such migrants are actually worth that


Geez, some people seriously overestimating the worth of some visa workers. Yes they save companies money and are an easy pool for labor but that is about it.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

holy shit, you think if H1B would be banned Meta, Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet would just pack up and restation where all the Indians and Chinese go such as Canada or Germany as if such migrants are actually worth that


Geez, some people seriously overestimating the worth of some visa workers. Yes they save companies money and are an easy pool for labor but that is about it.

Do you think that America is only as wealthy as it is, not because of our actual policies or values, but rather due to some mystical value inherent to (white) Americans?
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If we make it harder for companies to do business, they will obviously invest more elsewhere. It’s common sense.

 

[RyoQ]

Do you think that America is only as wealthy as it is, not because of our actual policies or values, but rather due to some mystical value inherent to (white) Americans

I'm not sure what your point is

I never said a shit about white people or that even whites ought fill the vacuum in the wake of an H1B ban and visa revocation.

Of course the positions would be filled by Americans so it would be a mix of white American, blacks, hispanics and other minority groups here

I also never said America would become "wealthier" if H1B was banned (although it would be beneficial economically for the common American as a flood of new positions would open for STEM work)
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If we make it harder for companies to do business, they will obviously invest more elsewhere. It’s common sense

My point is what you are positing companies will do as an alternative to H1B ban is completely extreme and not at all possible for the majority of positions lol.

 

[NAMELESS]

Or they would just hire natives

Lmao at some of these points "why wouldn't they just invest more in countries that have more exploitable-", yes because companies would just pack their bags and leave to the 3rd world after H1B is banned. Seriously, wtf are you talking about man

The entire reason China got so powerfull is because Westerns moved their factories there for the cheap labour.

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

Who else is going on a road trip to Minnesota this weekend?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1996664263327338525

 

[RyoQ]

Who else is going on a road trip to Minnesota this weekend?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1996664263327338525

Why you invite me here than ignore me? We both don't like Blumpf...dont shut me out

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

Why you invite me here than ignore me? We both don't like Blumpf...dont shut me out

Yeah we both say fuck Trump but for completely different reasons

 

[Ravagerblade]

The entire reason China got so powerfull is because Westerns moved their factories there for the cheap labour.

You aren't wrong and shame on these companies.
Business should stick to helping their home countries first.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I'm not sure what your point is

I never said a shit about white people or that even whites ought fill the vacuum in the wake of an H1B ban and visa revocation.

Of course the positions would be filled by Americans so it would be a mix of white American, blacks, hispanics and other minority groups here

I also never said America would become "wealthier" if H1B was banned (although it would be beneficial economically for the common American as a flood of new positions would open for STEM work)
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My point is what you are positing companies will do as an alternative to H1B ban is completely extreme and not at all possible for the majority of positions lol.

my point is that America’s wealth is in large part due to its capitalistic policies.

We set policies that are good for business and businesses continue to invest in America.

if we started making drastic actions like deporting thousands of engineers, yes companies wouldn’t automatically make a complete exit from the states, but they would look towards investing elsewhere.

You say the migrants aren’t actually worth that, but they’re outcompeting American workers for a reason.
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A lot of folks on the right hate Indians and H1-Bs, if there was really no kickback to deporting them, Trump would have no reason not to do it.

The reason he hasn’t is because it’s bad for business.

 

[RyoQ]

my point is that America’s wealth is in large part due to its capitalistic policies.

You say the migrants aren’t actually worth that, but they’re outcompeting American workers for a reason.

Because they save companies money. Lol
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Yeah we both say fuck Trump but for completely different reasons

Wuh wut...?! Dont hurt my feelings, you saying my reasons for fuck Trump are wrong?!

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if we started making drastic actions like deporting thousands of engineers, yes companies wouldn’t automatically make a complete exit from the states, but they would look towards investing elsewhere

Your whole point just sucks and is a failing battle. Who gives a shit if some few jobs are made remote? Thousands of jobs would be opened up and companies would be forced to stop relying on foreign labor. Sounds like an objectively good deal to me (it is)

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Because they save companies money. Lol
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Wuh wut...?! Dont hurt my feelings, you saying my reasons for fuck Trump are wrong?!

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Your whole point just sucks and is a failing battle. Who gives a shit if some few jobs are made remote? Thousands of jobs would be opened up and companies would be forced to stop relying on foreign labor. Sounds like an objectively good deal to me (it is)

why don't you like trump

 

[RyoQ]

why don't you like trump

Primary reasons is he is money whore and the most zionist president in history; he has followed through on very little of his promises with regards to trade, war, immigration, fighting globalism, and draining the swamp. What, really, for the right has come in his 10 year reign, beginning in 2015 that time he had first stepped off the escalator?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Because they save companies money. Lol

You don’t think they would want to continue saving money?

You don’t think making it harder for them will cause them to look towards investing in operations in other countries?

there’s nothing that compels these companies to continue to invest in America.

 

[NAMELESS]

You aren't wrong and shame on these companies.
Business should stick to helping their home countries first.

Business need to stick to making money first. Everything else is secondary.

 

[RyoQ]

You don’t think they would want to continue saving money?

You don’t think making it harder for them will cause them to look towards investing in operations in other countries?

there’s nothing that compels these companies to continue to invest in America.

OK, you are just here to argue rhetoric, not reality. There are many tens of reasons American companies such as Apple, Microsoft, Amazon cannot simply "move abroad" and it would be impossible without losing trillions and probably collapsing.

They would be forced to intern, train and hire American but apparently multimillion/billion dollar companies are like a food truck that can just pack their equipment and move to another country