Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

You don’t get it. I’m not being judgmental but he still looks like an idiot to many many many people no matter what. This video is gonna remain on the internet for ever and make him look like an idiot all his life.

His social and professional life are screwed but at least he made us laugh hard


He should become an influencer asap.

Yeah.. it's a risk lol

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What is wrong with extreme viewpoints ?

A lot of them are very self destructive.

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this is unbearable

Especially when it’s abundantly clear the 2nd amendment is the only part of the constitution they care about and even still, they read it selectively because the text literally states that the purpose of the 2A is for a well regulated militia

 

[Daniel]

A lot of them are very self destructive.

There are too many changes to this forum all at once, with unrealistic expectations.

Maybe don't let events that are happening IRL directly affect this forum either?

I made a more detailed post on this topic in my previous post.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

There are too many changes to this forum all at once, with unrealistic expectations.

Maybe don't let events that are happening IRL directly affect this forum either?

I made a more detailed post on this topic in my previous post.

Not really talking about this forum

more-so stuff like Nazism, blackpill, jihadism, etc.

 

[Roo]

It was a Alawite from Lebanon who stopped the Shooter

Another Batini Classic Gem

Of course the Western media called him a Muslim....

common islam hater quick to take credit away from a muslimun

anyways where did you see this? most news article have him as a muslim man

 

[Mathias]

common islam hater quick to take credit away from a muslimun

anyways where did you see this? most news article have him as a muslim man

Alawites are muslim ! It’s just a skirmish of Sunni vs Shia and whatnot. Carry on, nothing to see there, just another Tejas.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Alawites are muslim ! It’s just a skirmish of Sunni vs Shia and whatnot. Carry on, nothing to see there, just another Tejas.

Well, they aren’t standard Muslims

from what I read they seem to be the Mormons of Islam, if that is an apt comparison

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Like they believe in reincarnation and believe Ali was an avatar of god

 

[Midnight Delight]

Like they believe in reincarnation and believe Ali was an avatar of god

They believe in a lot more unorthodox things than that

They curse the Ka'aba and see Ramadan as Pagan for example

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

The internet needs to be nuked. People using a mass shooting as internet brownie points for their own racist mess.

Some far right Muslims openly celebrating this shooting because it was intended against Jews (while having the Palestine flag and fighting for “humanity”)…

while other disgusting far right accounts using this tragedy to label all Muslims as terrorists because one psychopath decided to go crazy.

No one actually cares about the poor victims that were killed or the hundreds of people that are deeply scarred and traumatised by this event. They actually are probably excited as this is is the perfect tool to push their racist propaganda.

The far right Christians are hopeless. They’ve been doing this forever. Going radio silent whenever the shooter is white (so like every other day in the US) and suddenly calling for the deportation of all Muslims and browns when the perpetrator is of colour by one chance. I don’t really expect anything from those mongrels.

But I’m very disappointed in the Muslims (especially the ones with Palestine flags in their bio) celebrating this. They’re no better than Zionists. You can’t oppose a genocide then celebrate a shooting intended at killing a people of a certain religion. You’re literally just as bad, if not worse since you’re a piece of shit hypocrite as well. I guess humanity only matters to these fools when it’s Muslims being oppressed. They don’t really care about the poor Palestinians suffering a genocide either. They just want to use it as an excuse to be anti Semitic against Jews. They hate Jews more than they care for victims of a genocide.

I really sincerely hope that anyone reading this realises you don’t have to adopt a “us vs them” mentality and choose one camp. You really don’t. You can oppose the evil war crimes Israel are doing and criticise their evil regime for committing a genocide while also not celebrating terrorist psychopaths that want to kill all Jews. It’s not something that’s hard to do. This is basic humanity.

 

[Midnight Delight]

The internet needs to be nuked

Why?
I for one am Glad to see Christians and Muslims(Brothers in Saturnism) saying what's on their mind without hiding Behind Politically Correct Taqiyya drivel, saying what we knew all along but were gaslit into believing it's just conspiracy theories or "extremists"

I know Arabic so I Always knew that the whole "We hate Israel not the Jews" was ALWAYS Taqiyya that was said in front of Westerners

Just like how the Antiracism and Fairness in the west was Always Performative shit said by people in gated Communities, Champagne Socialists if you must

I am glad to see people being honest about their feelings, instead of lying and being two faced

 

[Zenos7]

The internet needs to be nuked. People using a mass shooting as internet brownie points for their own racist mess.

Some far right Muslims openly celebrating this shooting because it was intended against Jews (while having the Palestine flag and fighting for “humanity”)…

while other disgusting far right accounts using this tragedy to label all Muslims as terrorists because one psychopath decided to go crazy.

No one actually cares about the poor victims that were killed or the hundreds of people that are deeply scarred and traumatised by this event. They actually are probably excited as this is is the perfect tool to push their racist propaganda.

The far right Christians are hopeless. They’ve been doing this forever. Going radio silent whenever the shooter is white (so like every other day in the US) and suddenly calling for the deportation of all Muslims and browns when the perpetrator is of colour by one chance. I don’t really expect anything from those mongrels.

But I’m very disappointed in the Muslims (especially the ones with Palestine flags in their bio) celebrating this. They’re no better than Zionists. You can’t oppose a genocide then celebrate a shooting intended at killing a people of a certain religion. You’re literally just as bad, if not worse since you’re a piece of shit hypocrite as well. I guess humanity only matters to these fools when it’s Muslims being oppressed. They don’t really care about the poor Palestinians suffering a genocide either. They just want to use it as an excuse to be anti Semitic against Jews. They hate Jews more than they care for victims of a genocide.

I really sincerely hope that anyone reading this realises you don’t have to adopt a “us vs them” mentality and choose one camp. You really don’t. You can oppose the evil war crimes Israel are doing and criticise their evil regime for committing a genocide while also not celebrating terrorist psychopaths that want to kill all Jews. It’s not something that’s hard to do. This is basic humanity.

Mo hijab isnt the most popular muslim apologist online by accident

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Why?

because it's done far more bad than it has good

 

[Logiko]

@Uncle Van @AL sama @TheAncientCenturion

Let's say that I create a form of petition about the state of Worstgen and a list potential change.

How many people would need to sign the petition (reasonnably) for the staff to consider potential change?

A lot of them are very self destructive.

Far right one yeah. Authoritarian one yeah. Religious one also yeah. But that's not because of the radicalization, that's because of the values that such radicalization creates.

The better question would rather be: Is it ethical to radicalize and if yes, in which context?

There are too many changes to this forum all at once, with unrealistic expectations.

Maybe don't let events that are happening IRL directly affect this forum either?

I made a more detailed post on this topic in my previous post.

A prime rule of politics is that a space where reactionaries and fascist can talk freely can only adopt these values over time.

This means that in a fascist world, a forum such as this one, with only basic rules of conduct, will eventually let fascist and reactionaries enter the space, which will eventually push the space toward reactionarism and toxicity. This is not an invention, this is a basic political and social process.

If you want this place to be positive place, then this forum needs to contain the trashtalking behavior and adopt an ethical stance. Then it must be protected from the reactionnarism. I'm really not overestimating the importance of having progressive an ethical space on the internet in the current geopolitical context (fascism rising everywhere).

But I’m very disappointed in the Muslims (especially the ones with Palestine flags in their bio) celebrating this. They’re no better than Zionists. You can’t oppose a genocide then celebrate a shooting intended at killing a people of a certain religion. You’re literally just as bad, if not worse since you’re a piece of shit hypocrite as well. I guess humanity only matters to these fools when it’s Muslims being oppressed. They don’t really care about the poor Palestinians suffering a genocide either. They just want to use it as an excuse to be anti Semitic against Jews. They hate Jews more than they care for victims of a genocide.

Careful. Don't essentialize.

As you said, there might be muslim rejoicing, but they are reactionaries like you said. It's important to keep the nuance especially now, this is what prevent us from separating zionists from jews.

And no, the internet must not be nuke. Without the internet, we wouldn't even be aware of the genocide.

Just like how the Antiracism and Fairness in the west was Always Performative shit said by people in gated Communities, Champagne Socialists if you must

I know Arabic so I Always knew that the whole "We hate Israel not the Jews" was ALWAYS Taqiyya that was said in front of Westerners

You really should stop talking now

because it's done far more bad than it has good

Without internet, there would be no me too, feminism would still be stuck in the 90', there would no awareness of genocides and massacres, imperialism would be hands free, racism would be hands free. There would be no representations, the world would be slow down by decades in term of protests and human rights.

Yeah, internet accelerated the rise of fascist ideas, but it also accelerated the rise of progressive one too.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I know Arabic so I Always knew that the whole "We hate Israel not the Jews" was ALWAYS Taqiyya that was said in front of Westerners

it’s not “taqiyya”, different Muslims simply have different beliefs

some just hate Israel, others are legitimately antisemitic

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Uncle Van @AL sama @TheAncientCenturion

Let's say that I create a form of petition about the state of Worstgen and a list potential change.

How many people would need to sign the petition (reasonnably) for the staff to consider potential change?

Far right one yeah. Authoritarian one yeah. Religious one also yeah. But that's not because of the radicalization, that's because of the values that such radicalization creates.

The better question would rather be: Is it ethical to radicalize and if yes, in which context?



A prime rule of politics is that a space where reactionaries and fascist can talk freely can only adopt these values over time.

This means that in a fascist world, a forum such as this one, with only basic rules of conduct, will eventually let fascist and reactionaries enter the space, which will eventually push the space toward reactionarism and toxicity. This is not an invention, this is a basic political and social process.

If you want this place to be positive place, then this forum needs to contain the trashtalking behavior and adopt an ethical stance. Then it must be protected from the reactionnarism. I'm really not overestimating the importance of having progressive an ethical space on the internet in the current geopolitical context (fascism rising everywhere).



Careful. Don't essentialize.

As you said, there might be muslim rejoicing, but they are reactionaries like you said. It's important to keep the nuance especially now, this is what prevent us from separating zionists from jews.

And no, the internet must not be nuke. Without the internet, we wouldn't even be aware of the genocide.




You really should stop talking now


Without internet, there would be no me too, feminism would still be stuck in the 90', there would no awareness of genocides and massacres, imperialism would be hands free, racism would be hands free. There would be no representations, the world would be slow down by decades in term of protests and human rights.

Yeah, internet accelerated the rise of fascist ideas, but it also accelerated the rise of progressive one too.

You act like there won't be any devices at all?
There'd still be TVs, radios, newspapers, etc.
These movements don't NEED the internet. The internet just helps those movements. But it doesn't take away the fact that the internet has still done more bad on average than it has good.
Think of all the people who've been harassed by racists, or creeps, or misogynists, or more. And some people even get pushed to suicide because of that.
There's also a ton of gore, child pornography, and more all over the internet. Especially on sites like Twitter.
I gotta say, I really don't think the internet was a good idea. At the very most it should have stayed the way it was over a decade ago

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

@Uncle Van @AL sama @TheAncientCenturion

Let's say that I create a form of petition about the state of Worstgen and a list potential change.

How many people would need to sign the petition (reasonnably) for the staff to consider potential change?

Far right one yeah. Authoritarian one yeah. Religious one also yeah. But that's not because of the radicalization, that's because of the values that such radicalization creates.

The better question would rather be: Is it ethical to radicalize and if yes, in which context?



A prime rule of politics is that a space where reactionaries and fascist can talk freely can only adopt these values over time.

This means that in a fascist world, a forum such as this one, with only basic rules of conduct, will eventually let fascist and reactionaries enter the space, which will eventually push the space toward reactionarism and toxicity. This is not an invention, this is a basic political and social process.

If you want this place to be positive place, then this forum needs to contain the trashtalking behavior and adopt an ethical stance. Then it must be protected from the reactionnarism. I'm really not overestimating the importance of having progressive an ethical space on the internet in the current geopolitical context (fascism rising everywhere).



Careful. Don't essentialize.

As you said, there might be muslim rejoicing, but they are reactionaries like you said. It's important to keep the nuance especially now, this is what prevent us from separating zionists from jews.

And no, the internet must not be nuke. Without the internet, we wouldn't even be aware of the genocide.




You really should stop talking now


Without internet, there would be no me too, feminism would still be stuck in the 90', there would no awareness of genocides and massacres, imperialism would be hands free, racism would be hands free. There would be no representations, the world would be slow down by decades in term of protests and human rights.

Yeah, internet accelerated the rise of fascist ideas, but it also accelerated the rise of progressive one too.

I meant the Muslims celebrating it all, not all. It’d be hypocritical of me to generalise in a post calling out generalisation.

The nuke the internet bit was obviously an exaggeration gang. I don’t seriously mean it. It just means I’m hella pissed at the scumbags using a mass shooting in my city to push their racist propaganda.

 

[Logiko]

You act like there won't be any devices at all?
There'd still be TVs, radios, newspapers, etc.

This is nothing compared to internet. Internet allowed the creation of instantly accessible Hubs of influences. This is not something that can be reproduced with TV radios or newspaper. This configuration created the acceleration of society that we know today.

Without internet, worldwide societies would be completely different.

But it doesn't take away the fact that the internet has still done more bad on average than it has good.

And on what evidences are you basing this affirmation ?

Think of all the people who've been harassed by racists, or creeps, or misogynists, or more. And some people even get pushed to suicide because of that.

Think of all the people who find someone, who found their vocation, who felt represented, who were saved because of the internet.

You remember the bad without taking the good into account. Just because you want the bad to overshadow the good.

I gotta say, I really don't think the internet was a good idea. At the very most it should have stayed the way it was over a decade ago

The problem of internet is not internet, it's capitalism and the other domination system that pushes the system toward necrosis.

Internet is necessary, without it, we wouldn't be able to fight back systematically on a worldwide scale. There are reasons to be pessimist, but there we have an ethical duty to be optimist, for Internet too.

The nuke the internet bit was obviously an exaggeration gang. I don’t seriously mean it. It just means I’m hella pissed at the scumbags using a mass shooting in my city to push their racist propaganda

I get your frustration

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This is nothing compared to internet. Internet allowed the creation of instantly accessible Hubs of influences. This is not something that can be reproduced with TV radios or newspaper. This configuration created the acceleration of society that we know today.

Without internet, worldwide societies would be completely different.



And on what evidences are you basing this affirmation ?



Think of all the people who find someone, who found their vocation, who felt represented, who were saved because of the internet.

You remember the bad without taking the good into account. Just because you want the bad to overshadow the good.


The problem of internet is not internet, it's capitalism that pushes the system toward necrosis.

Internet is necessary, without it, we wouldn't be able to fight back systematically on a worldwide scale. There are reasons to be pessimist, but there we have an ethical duty to be optimist, for Internet too.


I get your frustration

Social media turns you into an obsessed zombie. You crave dopamine from constant scrolling and engagement. You want to keep watching videos no matter what. You just need to look the next meme before you quit and you can do that easily as it's just a quick swipe of your finger away.
But news flash, people rarely quit once they've started. Because all these algorithms are meant to be addictive. That's why so many people's dopamine receptors are just fried beyond belief now and why so many people get hooked on porn or fall down tiktok/instagram/twitter rabbit holes.

 

[Logiko]

Social media turns you into an obsessed zombie.

Not necessarily. Without social media I would still believe in weird stuff.

You crave dopamine from constant scrolling and engagement. You want to keep watching videos no matter what. You just need to look the next meme before you quit and you can do that easily as it's just a quick swipe of your finger away.

Yeah. You are talking to someone whose entiere situation is mainly due to a dopamine problem. So yeah, this is true. But this doesn't mean that you can't create barrier. And again, withotu capitalism, there would be less of an emphasis for you to consume content and therefore, Internet would feel a lot better.

You are targeting the wrong problem.

That's why so many people's dopamine receptors are just fried beyond belief now and why so many people get hooked on porn or fall down tiktok/instagram/twitter rabbit holes.

Actually there are no evidence for porn to be addictive. On the other hand Tiktok and some social media can be addictive yea. That's why there must be a push to render these app, less addictive.

The solution is not end internet, this would be disaster on a global scale, the solution is to target the problem creating all these symptoms: The main one being capitalism.

You wanna create a better society? I can help you discover how.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Actually there are no evidence for porn to be addictive.