Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1169: I HAVE TO DIE NOW!

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It's just a couple bros who think he might get it, let them dream~

The benefits outweigh the risks lol
-They will either take a big W or a minor L. Big deal.

It's nothing anybody has to go betting their account on. If there's a will, there's also often a way, and this story is all about wills.
 
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Usopp is a Sniper guys he's not getting Ragnir and that's just one of the many reasons why he won't get it.
Why ignore the blatant Gallelia lore of powerful giants wielding warhammers and the fact that Loki is being tied to the plot of bringing them back into the storyline, as well as the fact that Loki himself has always wielded a hammer?
So has Usopp. I’d argue the hammer is just as iconic of a weapon to him as his slingshot as Usopp used hammers as the finishing blow for every opponent he faced pre timeskip.

Loki is just a minor character. Every time an EB Straw hat visits an island connected to their character they leave with a PU from it. Whether that’s Nami stealing Lightning from a witch who controls the weather and abuses children, Sanji gaining the Raid Suit from his childhood home, or Zoro getting a legendary sword from his ancestral home.

Idk why suddenly it’s far fetched when it’s Usopp getting an upgrade of one of his most iconic weapons in an island that’s been connected to his character arc since Little Garden.
 
So has Usopp. I’d argue the hammer is just as iconic of a weapon to him as his slingshot as Usopp used hammers as the finishing blow for every opponent he faced pre timeskip.

Loki is just a minor character. Every time an EB Straw hat visits an island connected to their character they leave with a PU from it. Whether that’s Nami stealing Lightning from a witch who controls the weather and abuses children, Sanji gaining the Raid Suit from his childhood home, or Zoro getting a legendary sword from his ancestral home.

Idk why suddenly it’s far fetched when it’s Usopp getting an upgrade of one of his most iconic weapons in an island that’s been connected to his character arc since Little Garden.
There's a lot wrong with the above.
For one you're suggesting to give the Ragnir, a sentient weapon with immense power to Usopp "for the sake of it". How would this work with his fighiting style? Will he completely forgo sniping? or will he only use "Ragnir" as a finisher? Isn't at all practical as a PU.
You either diminish Ragnir as a god-tier weapon or have Usopp give up sniping.

Next you're completely ignoring fundamentals of Usopps character which are 1.) he's a liar/bluffer that tricks his way to victory, 2.) he's the most human SH from a strength perspective specifically bcoz Oda has choosen to keep him that way and is intent on doing so.
Giving him the Ragnir will be equivalent to throwing Ussop's core character traits into the dustbin.

Then your argument about the hammer being just as iconic as the slignshot is cap and you know it.
Usopp's most iconic moments/feats in the series have revolved around using the slingshot. Whether it be with him burning down the WG flag on Enies Lobby with his slingshot or his fight with Luffy pre-ts (no hammer involved btw) or even taking out Sugar on DR. The man's second persona is Sogeking who is quite literally called the king of Snipers lol. Hell even his pre-ts training strongly revolved around enhancing his sniping abilities and his slingshot.

Lastly whether Loki will prove to be a minor character or not, we will know for sure by the end of this arc.
Also your argument on the SHs getting some sort of powerup from an island tied to their character is very forced. Nami has no relation to Wano for instance. Reality is much more simple, SHs get PUs in major arcs hence Nami's powerup.

I'm not against Usopp getting a PU from Elbaf btw, but is is certainly not going to be the Ragnir.


I've already given my arguments why Loki retaining the Ragnir is the obvious choice and yes saying Usopp will get the Ragnir is exremely far fetched.
 
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There's a lot wrong with the above.
For one you're suggesting to give the Ragnir, a sentient weapon with immense power to Usopp "for the sake of it". How would this work with his fighiting style? Will he completely forgo sniping? or will he only use "Ragnir" as a finisher? Isn't at all practical as a PU.
You either diminish Ragnir as a god-tier weapon or have Usopp give up sniping.

Next you're completely ignoring fundamentals of Usopps character which are 1.) he's a liar/bluffer that tricks his way to victory, 2.) he's the most human SH from a strength perspective specifically bcoz Oda has choosen to keep him that way and is intent on doing so.
Giving him the Ragnir will be equivalent to throwing Ussop's core character traits into the dustbin.

Then your argument about the hammer being just as iconic as the slignshot is cap and you know it.
Usopp's most iconic moments/feats in the series have revolved around using the slingshot. Whether it be with him burning down the WG flag on Enies Lobby with his slingshot or his fight with Luffy pre-ts (no hammer involved btw) or even taking out Sugar on DR. The man's second persona is Sogeking who is quite literally called the king of Snipers lol. Hell even his pre-ts training strongly revolved around enhancing his sniping abilities and his slingshot.

Lastly whether Loki will prove to be a minor character or not, we will know for sure by the end of this arc.
Also your argument on the SHs getting some sort of powerup from an island tied to their character is very forced. Nami has no relation to Wano for instance. Reality is much more simple, SHs get PUs in major arcs hence Nami's powerup.

I'm not against Usopp getting a PU from Elbaf btw, but is is certainly not going to be the Ragnir.


I've already given my arguments why Loki retaining the Ragnir is the obvious choice and yes saying Usopp will get the Ragnir is exremely far fetched.
IMO Usopp's hammer gag was meant to foreshadow Elbaf's events, not him personally wielding a real heavy hammer. Seeing how old Usopp's gag is I can't shake off the feeling that Oda had planned actual character development for him early on only to abandon it later.
IMO Usopp's hammer gag was meant to foreshadow Elbaf's events, not him personally wielding a real heavy hammer. Seeing how old Usopp's gag is I can't shake off the feeling that Oda had planned actual character development for him early on only to abandon it later.


Loki is just a minor character
Eeeh, I wouldn't call him that. Remember, Elbaf was one of the originally planned arcs. it only took him 20 years to enter Elbaf because of his writing choices and schedule issues. Elbaf was indended much earlier.
 
So has Usopp. I’d argue the hammer is just as iconic of a weapon to him as his slingshot as Usopp used hammers as the finishing blow for every opponent he faced pre timeskip.

Loki is just a minor character. Every time an EB Straw hat visits an island connected to their character they leave with a PU from it. Whether that’s Nami stealing Lightning from a witch who controls the weather and abuses children, Sanji gaining the Raid Suit from his childhood home, or Zoro getting a legendary sword from his ancestral home.

Idk why suddenly it’s far fetched when it’s Usopp getting an upgrade of one of his most iconic weapons in an island that’s been connected to his character arc since Little Garden.
Well, that hammer cant even be lifted by giants outside of loki, so idk on what pills u on to think usopp is doing shet
 
Oda is a sick man for leaving us on the biggest cliff hanger with this group and conquerors haki talk.

Already had this discussion with Sanji bros in Sanji FC but devil is in the details with those panels. Only realized this after re-reading the volume but key take away here is these two statements.

Gaban: ‘Seems like there is more than one of you with conqueror’s Haki’

Luffy: ‘What you didn’t know? It’s been oozing out of you’

Gaban has met Zoro prior so him being unsure about Zoro’s Haki given Luffy’s statement is very unlikely. In which case he was most likely referring to Sanji here.
 
Oooh, we got a Shonen Jump cover AND a neat bit of artwork of the Rocks Pirates. I like the stained glass window cover. And it looks like we're getting another a mini-magazine called Legend & Next? I wonder if there's going to be anything interesting in that. Rocks is petting a tiger. Hmm...could that mean Rocks has some connection to Fujitora? Eh, probably not. Ochaku is giving us the finger. Kind of fitting since he's probably the biggest traitor in the group. And Marlon is...smoking. Wait, was Marlon supposed to have Smoker's Devil Fruit? With how many old Devil Fruits this group had, I wouldn't be surprised if he did. I do NOT think that was clear, if that's what Oda was going for, but now I'm not sure.

14 years ago, Shanks finds out that Roger had a secret son. Wow. Roger is SURPRISINGLY good at keeping secrets. NO ONE had any idea he had a wife and son. And Shanks...doesn't really seem to have any ambition to claim the King of the Pirates title for himself, at least right now. Interesting. He's perfectly okay with Ace getting that title. I feel like this is telling with Shank's ultimate goals.

Harald is no longer in control of his own body, being forced to obey Imu's will. "The last 144 years of my life". A VERY specific number. Two "4"s isn't good, since "4" sounds like "death" in Japanese. Although, according to the Goroawase number-pun calculator I use, 144 can mean "will", which is interesting, given that Harald was using his "will" to make his dreams for Elbaph come true all this time.
https://seoi.net/goro/144
「144」を語呂合わせにすると「遺書」です。
144
1位
い し ょ
遺書

The pun for "144" is "will."
144
1st place
Isho
Will
So, Shanks and Harald talked after that scene we saw before. And it seems like Harald met the Red Hair Pirates before, in the past. So...Harald didn't recognize him from Roger's crew, but from Shank's own crew. Interesting. Oda's setting something up.

We're getting further clarification with these Contract level abilities. So, the Shallows Contract doesn't seem to actually DO anything? Just puts you slightly under Imu's (and probably the God's Knight's) command when you're close by, it sounds like. The Depths Contract is the one that gives you enhanced strength, and regeneration, and the ability to use the Abyss Pentagrams, with the drawback that Imu can command you from anywhere. Now, if only we can get word on what the Abyssal Contract gives you, we'll have a complete set!

And Harald actually wanted Loki to tell everyone about what a colossal screw up he was, and to warn everyone what Imu and the World Government has planned for Elbaph. So...what happened? It's definitely weird that Jarul didn't back Loki up, even with the brain damage he's about to receive.

So, Imu wants Harald to eat Elbaph's Legendary Devil Fruit. Interesting. So, whatever this Fruit actually is, Imu doesn't want it for themselves. Imu just wants to control whoever has it. And Jarul says Harald eating that Fruit would be the "end of the world". Also, interesting. Given how often Imu calls themselves "The World".

OOF! That scene of Harald stabbing Jarul in the head is brutal! And cool!

And Shanks and Scopper arrive...not QUITE in the nick of time, but close enough, I guess. Shanks...doesn't seem confident in his ability to stop Harald. So, I guess Shanks hasn't awakened his full Wifi-Haki powers, yet?

...Jarul sure SEEMS fine, right now. It doesn't SEEM like he forgot what Harald said before. So, again...why didn't he back up Loki? Why let Loki get hunted and chained up for years? It's something Loki CHOSE to do, isn't it? It's a sacrifice Loki chose to do, so his father wouldn't be remembered as a horrible failure, isn't it? Oof...wrong call, but if so, that should make for a good chapter later, if I'm right.

So, Loki was the shadow we saw before in Chapter 1152. And I had to check to be sure, but yeah...sure enough, Ragnir WAS right next to the Treasure Chest even back in Chapter 1152, and nobody really noticed it. Seems like this hammer and the Devil Fruit go together, somehow. Not sure if that means the hammer is a PRODUCT of the Devil Fruit power, or if it's just a piece of Ancient Technology that's programmed to protect and serve the User of this speicific Fruit. But, we should see...either next week or next year, depending on how the release schedule goes. I'm not sure if this is the last chapter of the year or not. Not a bad chapter to end the year on, if so.
 
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i think ochoku was a holy knight, or atleast a god's blade, couldn't have held pirate island for so long without governments assisstance. he also kidnapped shakky for garling. caribou will step into his footsteps.
Very likely but not a holy knight .
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So because of the Deep Sea Contract, Harald slowly ended up getting turned evil.

Not being possessed or being domi reverse, just simply turned evil, that would explain Gunko as well, she used to be good in the past but now that she is under Imu, she is now evil.

Oh no don't tell me that some of the Elders and Holy Knights used to be good, but because of the Deep Sea Contract and Abyss Contract, they are now evil.
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I hope that is not the case for all them, I don't want to suddenly turn out that Garling or Saturn in the past used to be good guys, but because of Imu, they are now evil.:mihugh:
Definitely Garling and Sommers are born evil they dont need Imu controlling them .
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I absolutely do feel the chapter opens up that the Gorosei or at least some of them, could be under control like Harald.
I mean thats true but I do feel their actions so far have been their own. They exactly k ow what they want to do .
 
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There's a lot wrong with the above.
For one you're suggesting to give the Ragnir, a sentient weapon with immense power to Usopp "for the sake of it". How would this work with his fighiting style? Will he completely forgo sniping? or will he only use "Ragnir" as a finisher? Isn't at all practical as a PU.
You either diminish Ragnir as a god-tier weapon or have Usopp give up sniping.

Next you're completely ignoring fundamentals of Usopps character which are 1.) he's a liar/bluffer that tricks his way to victory, 2.) he's the most human SH from a strength perspective specifically bcoz Oda has choosen to keep him that way and is intent on doing so.
Giving him the Ragnir will be equivalent to throwing Ussop's core character traits into the dustbin.

Then your argument about the hammer being just as iconic as the slignshot is cap and you know it.
Usopp's most iconic moments/feats in the series have revolved around using the slingshot. Whether it be with him burning down the WG flag on Enies Lobby with his slingshot or his fight with Luffy pre-ts (no hammer involved btw) or even taking out Sugar on DR. The man's second persona is Sogeking who is quite literally called the king of Snipers lol. Hell even his pre-ts training strongly revolved around enhancing his sniping abilities and his slingshot.

Lastly whether Loki will prove to be a minor character or not, we will know for sure by the end of this arc.
Also your argument on the SHs getting some sort of powerup from an island tied to their character is very forced. Nami has no relation to Wano for instance. Reality is much more simple, SHs get PUs in major arcs hence Nami's powerup.

I'm not against Usopp getting a PU from Elbaf btw, but is is certainly not going to be the Ragnir.


I've already given my arguments why Loki retaining the Ragnir is the obvious choice and yes saying Usopp will get the Ragnir is exremely far fetched.
You have a few things wrong here:
1. Your acting like a sentient hammer that moves of its own will doesn’t work with usopps sniping combat style. Due to the hammer being able to move on its own, it can be used as ammunition because it’ll return to Usopp post shot. Usopps sniping isn’t about him shooting a bullet out of a gun, it’s him shooting various abnormal and unique “Stars” at his opponent. And seeing how he’s used a “Hammer Shooting Star” in the past, idk why suddenly a hammer is now not aligned with his combat style.

2. This “god tier weapon” debate sounds like the same stuff people said about Zeus and Nami. Oda using top tier weaponry as a way of making the weak SHs viable in modern day combat is not out of the ordinary. Also I don’t think Ragnir is God Tier. Loki isn’t God Tier with it, despite having multiple other insane powers?

3. Ragnir in no way throws away Usopps core character, it enhances it. Usopps not going to become a head to head fighter with Ragnir, he’ll still be a liar, who can bluff his way to victory. A hammer that can be sniped, and hit an opponent on the return means that Usopp can set traps for his opponents using it. Such as shooting the hammer, having it “miss” to lower his opponents guard, then having the hammer knock them out by hitting his unsuspecting opponent from behind. Sounds like the perfect way to counter a teleporter like Van Augur as well. And none of these ideas are new, the Mjolnir theory’s been one of the oldest Usopp theories out there

4. Usopp Hammer being iconic is in no way cap. You mentioned two of Usopps most iconic scenes, now let’s not act like the pose with the 5/10 Ton Hammer isn’t up there as well. It certainly is because it’s one of the most famous poses for Usopp.

5. Loki is a minor character? He’s the arc royal that Luffy saves and befriends during the arc. And Nami got Zeus in an arc about a weather controlling witch, who Nami has been unknowingly connected to since Thriller Bark due to Lola.

I think you’re just misconstruing usopps fighting style where you don’t think Ragnir fits. But if you look back at it. A legendary hammer from the island connected to usopps dream that can be used as a shooting star and return to his hands or be swung with immense weight despite usopps physical weakness because it chose usopp for his heart and spirit is 100% aligned with his character and the perfect power up for someone who needs a sudden and immense boost like Usopp does going forward
 
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