Current Events Sanji vs King or Zoro vs King? Pros and cons.
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Laying aside powerscaling for a bit (justified as Oda seems to care much less than the fandom about consistent powerscaling) and looking just at the story, last chapter caused me to make a significant update in the direction of King being Sanji's main 1 vs 1 opponent.
The hypothesis that King is Zoro's main solo fight did not predict last chapter (it would have judged it unlikely). Thus, last chapter was significant evidence against King being Zoro's main solo fight.
On the other hand, the hypothesis that King is Sanji's main fight would have predicted a chapter like the last one (it would have judged it likely). Thus, last chapter was significant evidence for King being Sanji's main solo fight.
There are still significant chances that King is indeed Zoro's solo fight (the fight is interrupted, Sanji is used as a hypetool, etc.), so it's far from a foregone conclusion that Sanji will face King as his main 1 vs 1 fight.
That said, regardless of your priors on the two matchups, last chapter should have caused a significant update in the direction of Sanji vs King (and away from Zoro vs King) due to the aforementioned reasons. Of course it's still possible to believe that King will be Zoro's main 1 vs 1 fight, but you should be less confident than you were before.
If you read last chapter and you're just as confident as you were before that King will not be Sanji's main 1 vs 1 fight, or that King will be Zoro's main 1 vs 1 fight, then you're doing something very wrong.
The hypothesis that King is Zoro's main solo fight did not predict last chapter (it would have judged it unlikely). Thus, last chapter was significant evidence against King being Zoro's main solo fight.
On the other hand, the hypothesis that King is Sanji's main fight would have predicted a chapter like the last one (it would have judged it likely). Thus, last chapter was significant evidence for King being Sanji's main solo fight.
There are still significant chances that King is indeed Zoro's solo fight (the fight is interrupted, Sanji is used as a hypetool, etc.), so it's far from a foregone conclusion that Sanji will face King as his main 1 vs 1 fight.
That said, regardless of your priors on the two matchups, last chapter should have caused a significant update in the direction of Sanji vs King (and away from Zoro vs King) due to the aforementioned reasons. Of course it's still possible to believe that King will be Zoro's main 1 vs 1 fight, but you should be less confident than you were before.
If you read last chapter and you're just as confident as you were before that King will not be Sanji's main 1 vs 1 fight, or that King will be Zoro's main 1 vs 1 fight, then you're doing something very wrong.
I'd be be a lot more confident of Sanji vs King if it wasn't for the fact that in the last eight years we've had:
-Sanji vs Vergo. awesome moment, comes flying in, badass line, saves the girl, Vergo isn't the main villain so there's no reason he can't beat him. Result, broken leg and Smoker and Law vs Vergo
-Sanji vs Doflamingo. okay, nobody except the most deluded thought this was going anywhere. Result, Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo
-Sanji vs Judge. Sanji's evil swine of a father, murders his own men, threatens Zeff and Sanji's hands, aerial combat expert like Sanji. Result, Sanji actually saves him, then he saves Sanji.
-Sanji vs Niji. Utter scumbag, beat up a woman and disrespects food (Sanji's two big no no's), tormented Sanji in his youth, emphasis on his speed, another of Sanji's areas of expertise. Result, Sanji actually saves him, then Niji saves Sanji.
-Sanji vs Katakuri. Not one many thought would happen, but Sanji dodged his attack and the two were CoO specialists, so this was obviously going to happen while Luffy (snort, giggle) defeated Big Mom. Result, Luffy vs Katakuri
-Sanji vs Daifuku. Third son vs Third son! Daifuku slaps a woman, Pudding, who Sanji is trying to save! The two then have a clash where Sanji is sent flying (sound familiar?). Surely, a sign for revenge! Result, uh, Carrot dodges around him and Sanji blocks an attack.
-Sanji vs Oven. Heat powers vs heat powers! The two have a clash that Sanji comes on top of, but Oven then reveals himself to be actually competent and organises the plot to capture Luffy. Sanji has a plan to rescue Luffy. This is clearly Sanji's moment to shine! Result, Sanji needs saved by Germa and Ichiji holds off Oven.
-Sanji vs Page One. TBH most of us thought that Sanji had actually won that one, but alas. Result, to be determined?
-Sanji vs Drake. North Blue vs North Blue! Germa fanboy vs Germa hater/member! Both victims of the Happiness Punch! Result, to be determined.
History just isn't in Sanji's favour here. Nor is the fact that there are at least four (not counting Luffy) stronger allies who are setup to have a bigger role in the end of the arc than Sanji is. So when I see "why would Oda clash with King if he wasn't going to beat him?" I just look at the nine examples above and think "well, why did they happen?"
-Sanji vs Vergo. awesome moment, comes flying in, badass line, saves the girl, Vergo isn't the main villain so there's no reason he can't beat him. Result, broken leg and Smoker and Law vs Vergo
-Sanji vs Doflamingo. okay, nobody except the most deluded thought this was going anywhere. Result, Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo
-Sanji vs Judge. Sanji's evil swine of a father, murders his own men, threatens Zeff and Sanji's hands, aerial combat expert like Sanji. Result, Sanji actually saves him, then he saves Sanji.
-Sanji vs Niji. Utter scumbag, beat up a woman and disrespects food (Sanji's two big no no's), tormented Sanji in his youth, emphasis on his speed, another of Sanji's areas of expertise. Result, Sanji actually saves him, then Niji saves Sanji.
-Sanji vs Katakuri. Not one many thought would happen, but Sanji dodged his attack and the two were CoO specialists, so this was obviously going to happen while Luffy (snort, giggle) defeated Big Mom. Result, Luffy vs Katakuri
-Sanji vs Daifuku. Third son vs Third son! Daifuku slaps a woman, Pudding, who Sanji is trying to save! The two then have a clash where Sanji is sent flying (sound familiar?). Surely, a sign for revenge! Result, uh, Carrot dodges around him and Sanji blocks an attack.
-Sanji vs Oven. Heat powers vs heat powers! The two have a clash that Sanji comes on top of, but Oven then reveals himself to be actually competent and organises the plot to capture Luffy. Sanji has a plan to rescue Luffy. This is clearly Sanji's moment to shine! Result, Sanji needs saved by Germa and Ichiji holds off Oven.
-Sanji vs Page One. TBH most of us thought that Sanji had actually won that one, but alas. Result, to be determined?
-Sanji vs Drake. North Blue vs North Blue! Germa fanboy vs Germa hater/member! Both victims of the Happiness Punch! Result, to be determined.
History just isn't in Sanji's favour here. Nor is the fact that there are at least four (not counting Luffy) stronger allies who are setup to have a bigger role in the end of the arc than Sanji is. So when I see "why would Oda clash with King if he wasn't going to beat him?" I just look at the nine examples above and think "well, why did they happen?"
Yeah, the above is the reason why I'm not yet bought on Sanji vs King despite my argument that the last chapter was significant evidence in its favour:
I now think Sanji vs King is substantially more likely than I thought before, but it's not yet at the point where I think Sanji vs King is significantly more likely than not. I wouldn't bet that King will be Sanji's main solo fight (and that it would end in a decisive victory) at this point in time.
The major thing I'm watching currently is King's bounty. If King is indeed revealed to have a bounty of 1.33B (I think this is unlikely), I would further make a substantial update in favour of Sanji vs King.
I now think Sanji vs King is substantially more likely than I thought before, but it's not yet at the point where I think Sanji vs King is significantly more likely than not. I wouldn't bet that King will be Sanji's main solo fight (and that it would end in a decisive victory) at this point in time.
The major thing I'm watching currently is King's bounty. If King is indeed revealed to have a bounty of 1.33B (I think this is unlikely), I would further make a substantial update in favour of Sanji vs King.
▪The Last chapter we saw a clash between Sanji with RS and King where Sanji got overpowered in a clash of leg from base King who wanted to catch Momo 
and what's insane is when King used his most useless Zoan Form while he is a swordman confirmed in the magazine and in the Fb of Oden when he used a stance to fight Raiso special for swordmen Sanji was sweating and trying to push the beak from his belly implying he will die from that attack and even he showed King he can't disappear in a sense of teleportation like what King thought just to let him go and what will show that actually is sanji screaming when that attack landed on the tower and Luffy himself sweating and implying it to be dangerous while against PO he never screamed like that after he got overpowered by PO's hybrid Form 
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▪Sanji PostTS was used a lot as hype tool to hype characters :
● when he attacked Cracken but he got counterattacked by him just to see Zoro's using a santoryu Ogi fastly so he was used to hype Zoro's attack speed postts .
● he was used against law's ability.
● he was used against Vergo .
● he was used against Doffy .
● he was used against Judge .
● he was used to hype RS speed in WCI when he helped Luffy there .
● he was used against PO and didn't put him down just to hype his DF's durability and strength .
● he was used to hype Drake's slowest form .
● he was used to hype Zoro when he tamed enma and the second case when he tried the coastline .
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▪So this time using him as hype tool is totally expected especially when he said to king to let him go
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● Another Case can be made and this is the Act 3 where King will get a lot of hype especially if we follow the pattern of :
☆ act 1 : Jack
• Law each time remined SHs about jack
• he can fight in base form against Asura Doji on equal footing who is portrayed to be one of the top scabbards and stronger than Kinemon who injured Kaido with Kiku and survived the fight against him with denjiro as appeared when he wanted to recruit him and he is the same guy who said Doffy is a weakling .
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☆ Act 2 : Queen
▪he wasn't afraid of Luffy who defeated Kuri a fs user and when he saw him using Fs / Coc also Hygoro using barrier Coa against Fodder he was never impressed by it which speaks for him .
▪he tanked two hits from Big Mom a legit Yonko while using his useless and slowest form he could make big mom fainting .
☆ Act 3 : King
▪ his bounty Never was revealed which speak for him .
......... ????
What i mean is each one of the commanders get an act special for them to hype them so it won't be a surprise to have Act 3 to hype King and using sanji as hype tool to hype him .
■ Another Point can be made is Sanji and King landed near the entrance of onigashima and just to let u know Marco and perospero appeared to be there and both of them are having something related to King :
☆ Perospero is angry about what King did to him .
☆ Marco / King have a similar portrayal ( CoC clash ) and similar feat ( pushing big mom crew's ship away ) so that speaks for a clash between them happening not to mention Oda can use this scene to hype Marco using his healing ability to sanji to show his ability to be a Great Card that can be used in this war against two Yonko .
☆ Or we can have a clash between luffy and King showing a clash between Gear 4 and an ancient zoan user who can fly not to mention it's high likely to have King mastering the gamma knife Haki so showing a fight between them can be expected tbh especially after having big mom being hit by Franky.
☆ My point of this thread is we are too early to have SHs fighting their final opponents even in this Act especially if we can see that Wano arc is following kakubi theme with these acts :
1. The jo is a slow opening which introduces the characters and plot.
2.,3.,4. In the ha, the events speed up, usually with a dramatic or tragic moment in the third act, and a battle in the second or fourth.
5. The kyu is a quick, satisfying conclusion.
As u can see above the Act 4 is one where battles start and not this Act 3 which is related to show a tragic moment but where is this tragic moment ?
☆ Finally u can see that Tobi roppo are going to appear We have Ulti fighting yamato while WsW and Sasaki are going to appear and finally PO who has some unfinished business with Sanji who didn't defeat him and who didn't use his Coa nor his named attack like sanji who didn't show his named attack with DJ and his basic Coa even when they were fighting PO wasn't bleeding or anything so it can be expected from him to fight PO to finish the fight between them .
and what's insane is when King used his most useless Zoan Form while he is a swordman confirmed in the magazine and in the Fb of Oden when he used a stance to fight Raiso special for swordmen Sanji was sweating and trying to push the beak from his belly implying he will die from that attack and even he showed King he can't disappear in a sense of teleportation like what King thought just to let him go and what will show that actually is sanji screaming when that attack landed on the tower and Luffy himself sweating and implying it to be dangerous while against PO he never screamed like that after he got overpowered by PO's hybrid Form .▪Sanji PostTS was used a lot as hype tool to hype characters :
● when he attacked Cracken but he got counterattacked by him just to see Zoro's using a santoryu Ogi fastly so he was used to hype Zoro's attack speed postts .
● he was used against law's ability.
● he was used against Vergo .
● he was used against Doffy .
● he was used against Judge .
● he was used to hype RS speed in WCI when he helped Luffy there .
● he was used against PO and didn't put him down just to hype his DF's durability and strength .
● he was used to hype Drake's slowest form .
● he was used to hype Zoro when he tamed enma and the second case when he tried the coastline .
...................
▪So this time using him as hype tool is totally expected especially when he said to king to let him go
.● Another Case can be made and this is the Act 3 where King will get a lot of hype especially if we follow the pattern of :
☆ act 1 : Jack
• Law each time remined SHs about jack
• he can fight in base form against Asura Doji on equal footing who is portrayed to be one of the top scabbards and stronger than Kinemon who injured Kaido with Kiku and survived the fight against him with denjiro as appeared when he wanted to recruit him and he is the same guy who said Doffy is a weakling .
.☆ Act 2 : Queen
▪he wasn't afraid of Luffy who defeated Kuri a fs user and when he saw him using Fs / Coc also Hygoro using barrier Coa against Fodder he was never impressed by it which speaks for him .
▪he tanked two hits from Big Mom a legit Yonko while using his useless and slowest form he could make big mom fainting .
☆ Act 3 : King
▪ his bounty Never was revealed which speak for him .
......... ????
What i mean is each one of the commanders get an act special for them to hype them so it won't be a surprise to have Act 3 to hype King and using sanji as hype tool to hype him .
■ Another Point can be made is Sanji and King landed near the entrance of onigashima and just to let u know Marco and perospero appeared to be there and both of them are having something related to King :
☆ Perospero is angry about what King did to him .
☆ Marco / King have a similar portrayal ( CoC clash ) and similar feat ( pushing big mom crew's ship away ) so that speaks for a clash between them happening not to mention Oda can use this scene to hype Marco using his healing ability to sanji to show his ability to be a Great Card that can be used in this war against two Yonko .
☆ Or we can have a clash between luffy and King showing a clash between Gear 4 and an ancient zoan user who can fly not to mention it's high likely to have King mastering the gamma knife Haki so showing a fight between them can be expected tbh especially after having big mom being hit by Franky.
☆ My point of this thread is we are too early to have SHs fighting their final opponents even in this Act especially if we can see that Wano arc is following kakubi theme with these acts :
1. The jo is a slow opening which introduces the characters and plot.
2.,3.,4. In the ha, the events speed up, usually with a dramatic or tragic moment in the third act, and a battle in the second or fourth.
5. The kyu is a quick, satisfying conclusion.
As u can see above the Act 4 is one where battles start and not this Act 3 which is related to show a tragic moment but where is this tragic moment ?
☆ Finally u can see that Tobi roppo are going to appear We have Ulti fighting yamato while WsW and Sasaki are going to appear and finally PO who has some unfinished business with Sanji who didn't defeat him and who didn't use his Coa nor his named attack like sanji who didn't show his named attack with DJ and his basic Coa even when they were fighting PO wasn't bleeding or anything so it can be expected from him to fight PO to finish the fight between them .
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For now I still think that it will be Zoro who will be King's main opponent.
Sanji having a confrontation with him may be cool and allows to show more of Sanji's progress and of the Raid Suit but I don't think it will last really long and that Sanji will do anything major to King before he faces another foe.
Sanji having a confrontation with him may be cool and allows to show more of Sanji's progress and of the Raid Suit but I don't think it will last really long and that Sanji will do anything major to King before he faces another foe.
i know it would be a different situation where doesn’t involve flying
he fought Blueno but later on he fought Jyabura
