Controversial General Political Discussion

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Indeed. You are currently defending imperialism.

Whether or not you are right or wrong is another matter.

Nah America did wrong too. but the life of the Venezuelan people will objectively be better even though wrong methods were used. That's how trash Maduro was. Trump is also an evil p3do pig that deserves to die. Multiple things can be true at once. Politics isn't black and white unlike what you'd wanna believe where anti-US = good.

So now. Answer my question. is maduro evil or not? If America hadn't done this then what solution would you have proposed? People's agency is being shown right now since the streets of the country are cheering like they won the WC.

 

[eamonpro]

Nah America did wrong too. but the life of the Venezuelan people will objectively be better even though wrong methods were used. That's how trash Maduro was. Trump is also an evil p3do pig that deserves to die. Multiple things can be true at once. Politics isn't black and white unlike what you'd wanna believe where anti-US = good.

So now. Answer my question. is maduro evil or not? If America hadn't done this then what solution would you have proposed? People's agency is being shown right now since the streets of the country are cheering like they won the WC.

>politics isn’t black and white

>everyone who doesn’t spend all day virtue signalling is a socialist dictator lover

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

When was the last time the prez explicitly said we are taking over oil reserves for corporate profits and ruling this nation until we can install someone we approve of lol

i dont care about “well its been a while so dont listen to what the guy says.” Let me guess, me listening to trumps words after taking over is another piece of proof that I’m a socialist dictator lover? Lmfao

He said the US is going be running it till there's a fair judicial process to determine the next leader. That's not instilling a dictator. It just means they're temporarily running the country until the elections are held. What else is he supposed to say? Let the country have a civil war over the power vacuum lmfao?

It's not like we don't know US did this for selfish reasons, it's for oil. But a regime chance through a fair election where the people's voices are heard isn't even the worst thing to say.

 

[eamonpro]

He said the US is going be running it till there's a fair judicial process to determine the next leader. That's not instilling a dictator. It just means they're temporarily running the country until the elections are held. What else is he supposed to say? Let the country have a civil war over the power vacuum lmfao?

It's not like we don't know US did this for selfish reasons, it's for oil. But a regime chance through a fair election where the people's voices are heard isn't even the worst thing to say.

What if they vote for someone who doesn’t give oil?

we both know this is bs. Do you think they will let legit elections take place if the reason to do this was to pillage and retain control?

This is such obvious bs and virtue signaling. Even the right wingers here aren’t pretending they’re waiting for fair and free elections lol.

and dictators can in fact be elected. If the USA pumps millions into a pro USA candidate, do you think that candidate or the USA will allow dissent to rise to the point they may be overthrown?

this is reality.the world, and South America, has a history riddled with this. But not speaking about everything in the most optimistic terms will be called being a socialist dictator lover.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

>everyone who doesn’t spend all day virtue signalling is a socialist dictator lover

Someone who only bitches about USA while ignoring the fact a socialist dictator was taken down while not criticising their regime is objectively a dictator lover. That's why commies over the internet are seething so bad and defending Maduro.

Y'all DID THE SAME WITH GADDAFI TOO. Now he's hailed as a god by the mass psychosis y'all have done when he was a piece of shit too.

 

[Logiko]

Multiple things can be true at once.

Not in the case of imperialism. > It's should not be done. Period.

There is no discussion to have on the subject. You don't discuss the legitimacy of rape in function of the situation, even if the person is horrible, right? It's the same thing here!

The discussion about Maduro is out of subject. It's not even relevant. There is now one big problem and it's the US.

So now. Answer my question. is maduro evil or not?

Again: discussing Maduro in this context is discussing about the legitimacy of imperialism.

So you will only get one anti-imperialist answer: The US are an imperialist problem.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

What if they vote for someone who doesn’t give oil?

What if they vote for someone who does give oil and US forces back down? And Venezuela does improve as a country based on what the people wanted? Hypotheticals can go both ways lol. We know US aren't saints here you don't need to state the obvious
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Not in the case of imperialism. > It's should not be done. Period.

There is no discussion to have on the subject. You don't discuss the legitimacy of rape in function of the situation, even if the person is horrible, right? It's the same thing here!

The discussion about Maduro is out of subject. It's not even relevant. There is now one big problem and it's the US.



Again: discussing Maduro in this context is discussing about the legitimacy of imperialism.

So you will only get one anti-imperialist answer: The US are an imperialist problem.

Maduro isn't relevant?

You commies are a cult lmfao. Have a good day. Or maybe a terrible one since you'll be crying all day in your first world countries while the actual Venezuelans celebrate

Nice duck of my other question btw. You don't wanna hold a dictator accountable

 

[RyoQ]

I mean, you asked if the guy you sent was wrong when he was lying about caring about or wishing the best for Venezuelans. Idk if I was supposed to say he’s right and being honest, because that would be a lie. He’s lying about his motives and lying about his goals, and lying about why he supports it and why the U.S. is doing it. Implying you support it for the same reason. But then admit it’s obvious bs, implying you support it for the real reason, power and control, rape and pillage.

It's better for both Venezuela and the US

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

bro y'all would be beaten up in venezuela rn lool you guys are pathetic

 

[eamonpro]

What if they vote for someone who does give oil and US forces back down? And Venezuela does improve as a country based on what the people wanted? Hypotheticals can go both ways lol. We know US aren't saints here you don't need to state the obvious

Idk, I need to state Maduro bad every post and focus only on that. Isn’t that the obvious?

So what if us forces back down? Venezuela will be ruled by the guy in charge. It won’t be purely us soldiers sent to crush dissent, the USA expects their puppets to keep them under the usa’s power. This isn’t a “USA bad” post; every country installing new leaders in the place they invade obviously wants their investment to stay

if the country is under a “yeah it’s democratic and our soldiers left, but that’s because someone close to us got elected,” the elections are now not really free. Everyone knows they get bombed if they don’t elect someone else. Everyone knows that if the U.S. is invading because they nationalized oil, they will do anything necessary to ensure it stays that way, and making Venezuela better and freer doesn’t necessarily lead to that. Making sure anti USA sentiment stays low is the only way.

 

[Logiko]

Maduro isn't relevant?

You commies are a cult lmfao. Have a good day. Or maybe a terrible one since you'll be crying all day in your first world countries while the actual Venezuelans celebrate

I'm not a communist genius

You're just a piece of shit

No pasaran. Imperialist bootlicker.

 

[eamonpro]

bro y'all would be beaten up in venezuela rn lool you guys are pathetic

Lmfao pussy ass comment. Not quoting anyone, just stepping outside the convo to say “reee no one can talk about this you’re weak” after people push back on your comments. Who gives a fuck? I should what, pretend the future is super optimistic because hopeful people in a nation that we just took over might hurt me if they heard me?

Shut the fuck up, pussy. Jesus.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

So what if us forces back down? Venezuela will be ruled by the guy in charge. It won’t be purely us soldiers sent to crush dissent, the USA expects their puppets to keep them under the usa’s power. This isn’t a “USA bad” post; every country installing new leaders in the place they invade obviously wants their investment to stay

The very fact that you're already calling a hypothetical fairly elected government US puppets just shows you're not willing to change your mind.

if the country is under a “yeah it’s democratic and our soldiers left, but that’s because someone close to us got elected,” the elections are now not really free. Everyone knows they get bombed if they don’t elect someone else. Everyone knows that if the U.S. is invading because they nationalized oil, they will do anything necessary to ensure it stays that way, and making Venezuela better and freer doesn’t necessarily lead to that. Making sure anti USA sentiment stays low is the only way.

Cool. I agree. And the international community should call out US when it happens.

 

[Natalija]

You are all going to play nice

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Lmfao pussy ass comment. Not quoting anyone, just stepping outside the convo to say “reee no one can talk about this you’re weak” after people push back on your comments. Who gives a fuck? I should what, pretend the future is super optimistic because hopeful people in a nation that we just took over might hurt me if they heard me?

Shut the fuck up, pussy. Jesus.

Wahhh wahhhh wahhh

 

[eamonpro]

The very fact that you're already calling a hypothetical fairly elected government US puppets just shows you're not willing to change your mind.


Cool. I agree. And the international community should call out US when it happens.

The longer it goes on and we pretend it won’t happen, the less calling it out means. Yeah, wait 25 years to assess if Trump is just bluffing

I mean, even in your response to me you admit the USA backs off only in exchange for oil. Which is not a one time deal, it’s a decades long relationship.

the very fact that you insist everyone and their mother is a Maduro lover shows that your mind is made up. Yeah my mind won’t be changed if all you can do is call me a Maduro lover. Really makes me think you don’t know good and well we will install a pro USA candidate at any cost when you parrot the “reee you’re all socialist dictator lovers if you dissent” line whenever the probability of it gets brought up.

How do you think invading a nation and ensuring they give you their resources works? You act blazé about it and let them choose to elect an anti USA candidate after live on tv saying you did this to get your corporate billionaires a shitload of money and are gonna rule over it until you decide someone can take over? Your hypotheticals are so unrealistic as to be obvious bullshit, bro, you know it.

 

[Natalija]

Not in the case of imperialism. > It's should not be done. Period.

There is no discussion to have on the subject. You don't discuss the legitimacy of rape in function of the situation, even if the person is horrible, right? It's the same thing here!

The discussion about Maduro is out of subject. It's not even relevant. There is now one big problem and it's the US.


Again: discussing Maduro in this context is discussing about the legitimacy of imperialism.

So you will only get one anti-imperialist answer: The US are an imperialist problem.

So, in your opinion, how would you get rid of imperialism?

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

The longer it goes on and we pretend it won’t happen, the less calling it out means. Yeah, wait 25 years to assess if Trump is just bluffing

I mean, even in your response to me you admit the USA backs off only in exchange for oil. Which is not a one time deal, it’s a decades long relationship.

the very fact that you insist everyone and their mother is a Maduro lover shows that your mind is made up. Yeah my mind won’t be changed if all you can do is call me a Maduro lover. Really makes me think you don’t know good and well we will install a pro USA candidate at any cost when you parrot the “reee you’re all socialist dictator lovers if you dissent” line whenever the probability of it gets brought up.
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More pussy shit.

Whatever. It'll be an objective + despite it being wrong because the lives of the Venezuelans will improve. As long as there isn't a war where innocents die. Which is the only thing I care about. Honestly, if things proceed smoothly then I will say Trump did a great thing. He deposed a dogshit govt and improved the lives of Venezuela. Alas, the chances of that is unknown and only the future knows about it. Better than pretending the country is already doomed when it's on track for improvement all things considered.
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So, in your opinion, how would you get rid of imperialism?

Write essays on worstgen talking about leftism. That'll do it and convince those evil dictators!

 

[eamonpro]

Whatever. It'll be an objective + despite it being wrong because the lives of the Venezuelans will improve. As long as there isn't a war where innocents die. Which is the only thing I care about. Honestly, if things proceed smoothly then I will say Trump did a great thing. He deposed a dogshit govt and improved the lives of Venezuela. Alas, the chances of that is unknown and only the future knows about it. Better than pretending the country is already doomed when it's on track for improvement all things considered.

how much will they improve, is a +1% increase in quality of life worth me being mandated to jerk off over it and pretend losing control of their biggest resource is a + for Venezuelans, or I’m a commie teenager?

hypothetical, you’ve already made it clear everyone who doesn’t jerk off over it is a commie teenager

“who knows what the future holds” = stop listening to the people who invaded when they’re honest about why. That’s been on repeat every day for a decade. Never listen to the leaders of the country or you’re a socialist dictator lover and a big meanie. P U S S Y shit

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

how much will they improve, is a +1% increase in quality of life worth me being mandated to jerk off over it and pretend losing control of their biggest resource is a + for Venezuelans, or I’m a commie teenager?

Yup. Even a slight improvement in the economy and the citizens not worrying about being killed for criticising the government is actually a huge +. Even if it benefits the US more.

Seems like you're more worried about Venezuela becoming pro-US rather than the actual lives of the citizens there. They can become the most pro-US country in the world for all I care about IF THEIR LIVES IMPROVE.

But alas, citizens suffering is fine as long as they're anti America amirite?