Controversial General Political Discussion

[eamonpro]

These type of people legit root for anyone as long as its not the west espically US

And you know that because instead of engaging with me and listening to what I say, you take his word for it. Because you were never interested in engaging with talking about what may happen next. just jerking off and virtue signaling about how we have to pretend this means much for venezuelans. Knowing maduro is bad doesn't mean we have to pretend trump didn't just say he was gonna install a pro USA dictator next. Why pretend right wing dictators and left wing dictators aren't both, yknow... dictators?

next you’ll say this actually affected the U.S. drug problem lol

 

[Apollo]

the S in there should have been replaced a long time ago tbh, Nigeria should have replaced SA

I'd argue using the initials of the countries is wrong in general. Imagine if NATO was gonna include the initials of every country in it.

 

[TheAncientGorosei]

It was less worse than the civil wars that overthrew hussein and gadaffi

I thought it would be more bloodier Maduro downfall

The issue is;
Trump plans on running the country and repairing/revitalizing the oil industry to pay for it
Was not in contact with any neighboring country
Was not in contact with the Nobel prize lady (I believe she’s the legitimate government in exile) and outright said she wouldn’t be involved in the transition government since she does not have wide spread support

Im hopeful for the best but it seems like he expects people there to listen to him with the threat of a 25 kill streak perk if they don’t

 

[Logiko]

Was Maduro evil as fuck or not? Lol. As usual you never criticise your socialist idols

Venezuela is part of a coIonial and imperialist history and currently chocked to death by american imperialism.

It's not up to me, a westerner (or US marines), to push any kind of imperialist judgment and impose a leader or a politic. The basis for anti-imperialism (and leftism btw) is to consider the agency of populations, especially when they were subjugated in the past by our ancestors.

Anti-imperialism means "NO to imperialism" As such, it does not matter who we consider as "proper" or not. It's not up for us to decide for these people.

Any consideration of the people in this matter is a false flag and a strawman. Venezuela was not attacked because of the reign of Maduro but because of the concurrence for the USA created by Venezuela on Oil.

This aggression should be denounced no matter what we think about Maduro. Simply because what can happen here for Venezuela, can happen anywhere else. That's imperialism and that's something people do not get.

 

[RyoQ]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007494133326434439

 

[Apollo]

Even then, I’m just not sure practically, what the court is supposed to do? I don’t think the U.S. is going to have strong and legitimate ties to link Maduro of criminality in the country.

It happened before when Noriega was captured and tried. Then they can move him to another country that will convict him.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Venezuela is part of a coIonial and imperialist history and currently chocked to death by american imperialism.

It's not up to me, a westerner (or US marines), to push any kind of imperialist judgment and impose a leader or a politic. The basis for anti-imperialism (and leftism btw) is to consider the agency of populations, especially when they were subjugated in the past by our ancestors.

As such, it does not matter who we consider as "proper" or not. It's not up for us to decide for these people.

Doing anything but answering the question that your precious socialist leader was evil?

The people are very happy. Does that change your answer? Why are you complaining so much on their behalfs if they're happy if you value their agency so much?

 

[eamonpro]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007494133326434439

Any chance you can post some non neo nazis saying this lol

Im sure there are plenty, idk why you chose ol buddy rich (we all know why lol)

 

[TheAncientGorosei]

It happened before when Noriega was captured and tried. Then they can move him to another country that will convict him.

So they just put a court on, go through the process and then send them off?

 

[Logiko]

Doing anything but answering the question that your precious socialist leader was evil?

The people are very happy. Does that change your answer? Why are you complaining so much on their behalfs if they're happy if you value their agency so much?

>> Read better.

You have your answer here.

Venezuela is part of a coIonial and imperialist history and currently chocked to death by american imperialism.

It's not up to me, a westerner (or US marines), to push any kind of imperialist judgment and impose a leader or a politic. The basis for anti-imperialism (and leftism btw) is to consider the agency of populations, especially when they were subjugated in the past by our ancestors.

Anti-imperialism means "NO to imperialism" As such, it does not matter who we consider as "proper" or not. It's not up for us to decide for these people.

Any consideration of the people in this matter is a false flag and a strawman. Venezuela was not attacked because of the reign of Maduro but because of the concurrence for the USA created by Venezuela on Oil.

This aggression should be denounced no matter what we think about Maduro. Simply because what can happen here for Venezuela, can happen anywhere else. That's imperialism and that's something people do not get.

"leftist"

 

[eamonpro]

Doing anything but answering the question that your precious socialist leader was evil?

The people are very happy. Does that change your answer? Why are you complaining so much on their behalfs if they're happy if you value their agency so much?

The people are happy and it happened when, last night, a couple nights ago?

This is why people think you're just a virtue signalling guy. No one honestly thinks people being happy because of a regime change yesterday they are assuredly going to have good lives now, be real. Even if its better for them, openly admitting he wants to install a USA puppet doesn't bode well for the future of dictatorial practices exercised upon the people there. All it takes is any knowledge of how we have used puppet leaders in the past to know dissenters will still be jailed and killed and corruption will be ignored as everyone sees it, because we can't risk someone who isn't beholden running the nation

Why, again, instead of honestly discussing the future are you so concerned that we all virtue signal all day and night? thats all the "look they're cheering" is, its you saying "you can't talk about this because desperate people have hope"

 

[NikaInParis]

Nobody’s upset Maduro is gone, it’s more the way it was done and the plans for the country afterward that has people irate.

Exactly. American intervention didn't happen here because of their dislike of Maduro's regime but because of their own economic interests (oil). Capitalist colonialism, simple as.

 

[Apollo]

So they just put a court on, go through the process and then send them off?

We already got precedent from the Noriega case, so why not ? I doubt Maduro's lawyers will come up with any loopholes that weren't tried back then.

 

[RyoQ]

Any chance you can post some non neo nazis saying this lol

Im sure there are plenty, idk why you chose ol buddy rich (we all know why lol)

is he wrong? i didn't ask what you think about him personally. Lol

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Exactly. American intervention didn't happen here because of their dislike of Maduro's regime but because of their own economic interests (oil). Capitalist colonialism, simple as.

Ik, i'm not a us defender. Ik they are doing that for geopolitical and economic reasons.

But we know that maduro stole last election and we know he put venezuela in a shithole. And we know people from there couldn't do nothing against him. I just think his downfall is good thing per se (but that doesnt mean it will not have some bad consequences). But I think the people from there will have more freedom without maduro

 

[eamonpro]

is he wrong? i didn't ask what you think about him personally. Lol

Well yeah he’s bullshitting, it’s not about keeping foreign influence out but about making America an empire who owns a bunch of other countries and people. You know it, I know it, he knows it. The idea that this is to break up a bloc so we had to do it is a clear smokescreen about the fact that it’s purely because Americans want to be a raping pillaging empire, they and you see it as your right. Richard Spencer clearly does if you know anything about him (we all know you do). Guy has said whites should enslave haitians and you think we trust that this isn’t just an easy way for you to pretend you’re heroic for being pro pillaging.

of course the neo Nazi will bullshit to further his goals of white supremacy. And of course the guy who posts him will brush it off because you’re a white supremacist too.

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Ik, i'm not a us defender. Ik they are doing that for geopolitical and economic reasons.

But we know that maduro stole last election and we know he put venezuela in a shithole. And we know people from there couldn't do nothing against him. I just think his downfall is good thing per se (but that doesnt mean it will not have some bad consequences). But I think the people from there will have more freedom without maduro

“More freedom” meaning what? How much more? I don’t see a point in virtue signaling about how we might treat them a wee bit better under our approved dictator. Feels like massive copium.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Well yeah he’s bullshitting, it’s not about keeping foreign influence out but about making America an empire who owns a bunch of other countries and people. You know it, I know it, he knows it. The idea that this is to break up a bloc so we had to do it is a clear smokescreen about the fact that it’s purely because Americans want to be a raping pillaging empire, they and you see it as your right.

of course the neo Nazi will bullshit to further his goals of white supremacy. And of course the guy who posts him will brush it off because you’re a white supremacist too.

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“More freedom” meaning what? How much more? I don’t see a point in virtue signaling about how we might treat them a wee bit better under our approved dictator. Feels like massive copium.

Who is this hypothetical new approved dictator? What is his name?

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But again, I dont think us are the good and i really believe that us intervention won't stop in venezuela.

Colombia is one of us target

 

[eamonpro]

Who is this hypothetical new approved dictator? What is his name?

Trump has said we will rule over Venezuela until a “proper transition” and it’s for the oil and that American companies will make a lot of money.

Are you honestly saying we should pretend this isn’t “we will install a loyalist regime and ensure no non loyalists get in power?” Why? Give me a good reason and maybe I will pretend for you.

but this “no one is named, stop being mean by making probable predictions with foresight, you have to have hope and not say things that aren’t assured yet” argument is tired. What, do you think we will install a democratically elected leader and let them elect someone who will turn their back on the USA?

 

[RyoQ]

it’s not about keeping foreign influence out but about making America an empire who owns a bunch of other countries and people

keeping Chinese and Russian influence out of the western hemisphere is a key part of that

This is absolutely about power and control. have I ever denied that? Lol

 

[Midnight Delight]

keeping Chinese and Russian influence out of the western hemisphere is a key part of that

China already practically owns Brazil tbh