Controversial General Political Discussion

[Etzel Andergast]

Trump has said we will rule over Venezuela until a “proper transition” and it’s for the oil and that American companies will make a lot of money.

Are you honestly saying we should pretend this isn’t “we will install a loyalist regime and ensure no non loyalists get in power?” Why? Give me a good reason and maybe I will pretend for you.

but this “no one is named, stop being mean by making probable predictions with foresight, you have to have hope and not say things that aren’t assured yet” argument is tired. What, do you think we will install a democratically elected leader and let them elect someone who will turn their back on the USA?

I agree with you. The next regimes in venezuela will be loyalist to us. I just see as good maduro downfall.

And pay attention to this: i'm not saying regime against us interests doesnt deserve to exist. If I'm not wrong Hugo Chaves was well approved by Venezuela population and he was a dictator against us. I'm just talking about Maduro.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Maduro is a huge piece of shit and so was the rest of the chaves regime

This attack on venezuala is bad and we should push for less regime change operations that destabilize the regions

You can hold more than 1 opinion at once

Yeah the US is clearly engaging in neo-colonialism

 

[eamonpro]

keeping Chinese and Russian influence out of the western hemisphere is a key part of that

This is absolutely about power and control. have I ever denied that? Lol

I mean, you asked if the guy you sent was wrong when he was lying about caring about or wishing the best for Venezuelans. Idk if I was supposed to say he’s right and being honest, because that would be a lie. He’s lying about his motives and lying about his goals, and lying about why he supports it and why the U.S. is doing it. Implying you support it for the same reason. But then admit it’s obvious bs, implying you support it for the real reason, power and control, rape and pillage.

you didn’t post him saying he was bullshitting, you posted him and said he was right. But he was openly bullshitting and you admit that later. You are one flip flopping mf. I was just trying to honestly engage with the tweet, not this “gotcha” game you like to play.

I agree with you. The next regimes in venezuela will be loyalist to us. I just see as good maduro downfall.

And pay attention to this: i'm not saying regime against us interests doesnt deserve to exist. If I'm not wrong Hugo Chaves was well aproved by Venezuela population and he was a dictator against us. I'm just talking about Maduro.

I didn’t say you were saying that, I just said we will install a dictator, you said that’s hypothetical, I said it’s obvuous

 

[Etzel Andergast]

I mean, you asked if the guy you sent was wrong when he was lying about caring about or wishing the best for Venezuelans. Idk if I was supposed to say he’s right and being honest, because that would be a lie. He’s lying about his motives and lying about his goals, and lying about why he supports it and why the U.S. is doing it. Implying you support it for the same reason. But then admit it’s obvious bs, implying you support it for the real reason, power and control, rape and pillage.

you didn’t post him saying he was bullshitting, you posted him and said he was right. But he was openly bullshitting and you admit that later. You are one flip flopping mf.

I didn’t say you were saying that, I just said we will install a dictator, you said that’s hypothetical, I said it’s obvuous

I dont think will be a dictator, but I can be wrong and take the L if it is the case

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

>> Read better.

You have your answer here.

"leftist"

So no answer

I don't rlly care if im leftist or not according to you. Im not a tribalist neandethal to blindly defend something just cause others with similar beliefs do it. That's cult behaviour. I defend or criticise shit I find correct/wrong. Most of my views happen to align with mostly leftist stuff so I guess I am one. That's not to say I don't have centrist or even right wing views on certain topics but most political tests would place me leftist.

 

[eamonpro]

I dont think will be a dictator, but I can be wrong and take the L if it is the case

Just a U.S. loyalist who we won’t let be replaced even if voted out? Ok lol

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

The people are happy and it happened when, last night, a couple nights ago?

This is why people think you're just a virtue signalling guy. No one honestly thinks people being happy because of a regime change yesterday they are assuredly going to have good lives now, be real. Even if its better for them, openly admitting he wants to install a USA puppet doesn't bode well for the future of dictatorial practices exercised upon the people there. All it takes is any knowledge of how we have used puppet leaders in the past to know dissenters will still be jailed and killed and corruption will be ignored as everyone sees it, because we can't risk someone who isn't beholden running the nation

Why, again, instead of honestly discussing the future are you so concerned that we all virtue signal all day and night? thats all the "look they're cheering" is, its you saying "you can't talk about this because desperate people have hope"

Yeah almost like I have said USA isn't correct in this matter. Lol

All I'm saying is that there's a high probability that they will be a BETTER (not good) regime than the Maduro dictatorship which you're so scared of calling out because you're part of a cult scared to call out dictators simply because they identify as socialist.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Just a U.S. loyalist who we won’t let be replaced even if voted out? Ok lol

I think it will have elections, but all candidates will be loyalists, thats my point

 

[eamonpro]

Yeah almost like I have said USA isn't correct in this matter. Lol

Yes, but you’ve also basically said we can’t talk about the future because people are cheering rn and it’s mean to them to not pretend we won’t install a new dictator. So I still class you as bullshitter or sheep

Still trying this “you’re so scared of calling maduro out because you’re a commie dictator lover” bs lol. Jesus you’re a massive pussy. Is this what you do for everyone all the time? It’s an easy way to crush dissent, I get that.

No, again, I just don’t value virtue signalling. We don’t need to say “yeah we will install a dictator but he will probably be marginally better” or we secretly love maduro. Why can’t we just be honest and say this “our dictator will be better” bs is virtue signalling and/or copium? Still will be a dictator. Coughing every statement in “of course we must remember maduro was worse” doesn’t mean we won’t install a dictator who will still be bad. Not seeing this as heroic or a major change for Venezuelans isn’t being pro maduro, it’s recognizing that we are only doing this to harvest resources for billionaire rancompanies and will ensure Venezuela has a non democratic future.

Not jerking off for Trump because he got maduro and being honest about this probably not saving your avg Venezuelans from their problems will never be me saying “FUCK YES MADURO I WANT YOUR DICK” like you are fantasizing about me saying.

 

[Roo]

when was the last time the U.S inserted a dictator after a regime change? Lybia has had a democratic process and so has Iraq

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Yes, but you’ve also basically said we can’t talk about the future because people are cheering rn and it’s mean to them to not pretend we won’t install a new dictator. So I still class you as bullshitter or sheep

Damn you're really running away from any criticism of your precious socialist right? Cult behaviour

You have no right to call out people for celebrating when they've starved and had family members killed for 3 decades while living in a shithole because there's a possibility their life will only marginally improve instead of tremendously while you sit in the comfort of your first world country with no exposure to anything of what life is like under actual evil dictators. People like you reek of privilege.

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You're probably the same type of person that brands Trump on the same level as the Nazis because you want to be a victim of something historical so bad. Sorry babe but America, as trash as it is currently, is still better than 99% of dictatorships that have existed. So please don't call out people who've ACTUALLY suffered the consequences of one. You're not that big of a victim.

 

[eamonpro]

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Damn you're really running away from any criticism of your precious socialist right? Cult behaviour

You have no right to call out people for celebrating when they've starved and had family members killed for 3 decades while living in a shithole because there's a possibility their life will only marginally improve instead of tremendously while you sit in the comfort of your first world country with no exposure to anything of what life is like under actual evil dictators. People like you reek of privilege.

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You're probably the same type of person that brands Trump on the same level as the Nazis because you want to be a victim of something historical so bad. Sorry babe but America, as trash as it is currently, is still better than 99% of dictatorships that have existed. So please don't call out people who've ACTUALLY suffered the consequences of one. You're not that big of a victim.

“Call out people for celebrating?”

are you actually stupid? Where did I do that? No, you’re a knowing bullshitter

all I said was that people cheering rn doesn’t mean much for their future. You are now insisting that I was somehow against them cheering. All I’m saying is just because desperate people have hope we don’t need to ignore the probable future. You are very mad that I don’t refuse to discuss the future and it not being perfect because you think I should shut up and pretend the future is super hopeful because some desperate people think so.

theyre allowed to cheer, and I even wish above all that they will be right, I just doubt it. What im against isn’t that, its you saying that them cheering and having hope means its verboten to discuss if the U.S. will install a loyalist dictator because we need to spend all day and night virtue signaling.

Im sure I’ll just get “REEE YOU SOUND LIKE A SOCIALIST” in response, so idk why I bothered

Not even gonna engage on the Trump non sequitur. Have whatever narrative you want about me. I will I guess say that thinking we will install a pro us dictator doesn’t = calling us all the Nazis, it’s just saying we will probably install a dictator. You love throwing wild accusations to slander all dissent though. I’m a socialist dictator loving hater of all the Venezuelan citizens all because I was mean to Trump. The whole “you haven’t even been under a dictator” is more virtue signalling irrelevant bs from you.

If I suck your dick and repeat Maduro bad the whole time will you calm down

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

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“Call out people for celebrating?”

are you actually stupid? Where did I do that? No, you’re a knowing bullshitter

all I said was that people cheering rn doesn’t mean much for their future. You are now insisting that I was somehow against them cheering. All I’m saying is just because desperate people have hope we don’t need to ignore the probable future. You are very mad that I don’t refuse to discuss the future and it not being perfect because you think I should shut up and pretend the future is super hopeful because some desperate people think so.

theyre allowed to cheer. What im against isn’t that, its you saying that them cheering and having hope means its verboten to discuss if the U.S. will install a loyalist dictator because we need to spend all day and night virtue signaling.

Im sure I’ll just get “REEE YOU SOUND LIKE A SOCIALIST” in response, so idk why I bothered

When was the last time America installed a loyalist dictator into a country anyway? Have they even done so since the cold war?

 

[Logiko]

I defend or criticise shit I find correct/wrong

Indeed. You are currently defending imperialism.

Whether or not you are right or wrong is another matter.

Most of my views happen to align with mostly leftist stuff

That's not to say I don't have centrist or even right wing views on certain topics but most political tests would place me leftist.

I mean, technically Biden is on the left of Hitler....

 

[eamonpro]

When was the last time America installed a loyalist dictator into a country anyway? Have they even done so since the cold war?

When was the last time the prez explicitly said we are taking over oil reserves for corporate profits and ruling this nation until we can install someone we approve of lol

i dont care about “well its been a while so dont listen to what the guy says.” Let me guess, me listening to trumps words after taking over is another piece of proof that I’m a socialist dictator lover? Lmfao

 

[Fn Lucci]

Sheesh, they're really showing out in Caracas

Spoiler

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Indeed. You are currently defending imperialism.

Whether or not you are right or wrong is another matter.

Nah America did wrong too. but the life of the Venezuelan people will objectively be better even though wrong methods were used. That's how trash Maduro was. Trump is also an evil p3do pig that deserves to die. Multiple things can be true at once. Politics isn't black and white unlike what you'd wanna believe where anti-US = good.

So now. Answer my question. is maduro evil or not? If America hadn't done this then what solution would you have proposed? People's agency is being shown right now since the streets of the country are cheering like they won the WC.

 

[eamonpro]

Nah America did wrong too. but the life of the Venezuelan people will objectively be better even though wrong methods were used. That's how trash Maduro was. Trump is also an evil p3do pig that deserves to die. Multiple things can be true at once. Politics isn't black and white unlike what you'd wanna believe where anti-US = good.

So now. Answer my question. is maduro evil or not? If America hadn't done this then what solution would you have proposed? People's agency is being shown right now since the streets of the country are cheering like they won the WC.

>politics isn’t black and white

>everyone who doesn’t spend all day virtue signalling is a socialist dictator lover

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

When was the last time the prez explicitly said we are taking over oil reserves for corporate profits and ruling this nation until we can install someone we approve of lol

i dont care about “well its been a while so dont listen to what the guy says.” Let me guess, me listening to trumps words after taking over is another piece of proof that I’m a socialist dictator lover? Lmfao

He said the US is going be running it till there's a fair judicial process to determine the next leader. That's not instilling a dictator. It just means they're temporarily running the country until the elections are held. What else is he supposed to say? Let the country have a civil war over the power vacuum lmfao?

It's not like we don't know US did this for selfish reasons, it's for oil. But a regime chance through a fair election where the people's voices are heard isn't even the worst thing to say.

 

[eamonpro]

He said the US is going be running it till there's a fair judicial process to determine the next leader. That's not instilling a dictator. It just means they're temporarily running the country until the elections are held. What else is he supposed to say? Let the country have a civil war over the power vacuum lmfao?

It's not like we don't know US did this for selfish reasons, it's for oil. But a regime chance through a fair election where the people's voices are heard isn't even the worst thing to say.

What if they vote for someone who doesn’t give oil?

we both know this is bs. Do you think they will let legit elections take place if the reason to do this was to pillage and retain control?

This is such obvious bs and virtue signaling. Even the right wingers here aren’t pretending they’re waiting for fair and free elections lol.

and dictators can in fact be elected. If the USA pumps millions into a pro USA candidate, do you think that candidate or the USA will allow dissent to rise to the point they may be overthrown?

this is reality.the world, and South America, has a history riddled with this. But not speaking about everything in the most optimistic terms will be called being a socialist dictator lover.