Controversial General Political Discussion

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

>everyone who doesn’t spend all day virtue signalling is a socialist dictator lover

Someone who only bitches about USA while ignoring the fact a socialist dictator was taken down while not criticising their regime is objectively a dictator lover. That's why commies over the internet are seething so bad and defending Maduro.

Y'all DID THE SAME WITH GADDAFI TOO. Now he's hailed as a god by the mass psychosis y'all have done when he was a piece of shit too.

 

[Logiko]

Multiple things can be true at once.

Not in the case of imperialism. > It's should not be done. Period.

There is no discussion to have on the subject. You don't discuss the legitimacy of rape in function of the situation, even if the person is horrible, right? It's the same thing here!

The discussion about Maduro is out of subject. It's not even relevant. There is now one big problem and it's the US.

So now. Answer my question. is maduro evil or not?

Again: discussing Maduro in this context is discussing about the legitimacy of imperialism.

So you will only get one anti-imperialist answer: The US are an imperialist problem.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

What if they vote for someone who doesn’t give oil?

What if they vote for someone who does give oil and US forces back down? And Venezuela does improve as a country based on what the people wanted? Hypotheticals can go both ways lol. We know US aren't saints here you don't need to state the obvious

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Not in the case of imperialism. > It's should not be done. Period.

There is no discussion to have on the subject. You don't discuss the legitimacy of rape in function of the situation, even if the person is horrible, right? It's the same thing here!

The discussion about Maduro is out of subject. It's not even relevant. There is now one big problem and it's the US.



Again: discussing Maduro in this context is discussing about the legitimacy of imperialism.

So you will only get one anti-imperialist answer: The US are an imperialist problem.

Maduro isn't relevant?

You commies are a cult lmfao. Have a good day. Or maybe a terrible one since you'll be crying all day in your first world countries while the actual Venezuelans celebrate

Nice duck of my other question btw. You don't wanna hold a dictator accountable

 

[RyoQ]

I mean, you asked if the guy you sent was wrong when he was lying about caring about or wishing the best for Venezuelans. Idk if I was supposed to say he’s right and being honest, because that would be a lie. He’s lying about his motives and lying about his goals, and lying about why he supports it and why the U.S. is doing it. Implying you support it for the same reason. But then admit it’s obvious bs, implying you support it for the real reason, power and control, rape and pillage.

It's better for both Venezuela and the US

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

bro y'all would be beaten up in venezuela rn lool you guys are pathetic

 

[eamonpro]

What if they vote for someone who does give oil and US forces back down? And Venezuela does improve as a country based on what the people wanted? Hypotheticals can go both ways lol. We know US aren't saints here you don't need to state the obvious

Idk, I need to state Maduro bad every post and focus only on that. Isn’t that the obvious?

So what if us forces back down? Venezuela will be ruled by the guy in charge. It won’t be purely us soldiers sent to crush dissent, the USA expects their puppets to keep them under the usa’s power. This isn’t a “USA bad” post; every country installing new leaders in the place they invade obviously wants their investment to stay

if the country is under a “yeah it’s democratic and our soldiers left, but that’s because someone close to us got elected,” the elections are now not really free. Everyone knows they get bombed if they don’t elect someone else. Everyone knows that if the U.S. is invading because they nationalized oil, they will do anything necessary to ensure it stays that way, and making Venezuela better and freer doesn’t necessarily lead to that. Making sure anti USA sentiment stays low is the only way.

 

[Logiko]

Maduro isn't relevant?

You commies are a cult lmfao. Have a good day. Or maybe a terrible one since you'll be crying all day in your first world countries while the actual Venezuelans celebrate

I'm not a communist genius

You're just a piece of shit

No pasaran. Imperialist bootlicker.

 

[eamonpro]

bro y'all would be beaten up in venezuela rn lool you guys are pathetic

Lmfao pussy ass comment. Not quoting anyone, just stepping outside the convo to say “reee no one can talk about this you’re weak” after people push back on your comments. Who gives a fuck? I should what, pretend the future is super optimistic because hopeful people in a nation that we just took over might hurt me if they heard me?

Shut the fuck up, pussy. Jesus.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

So what if us forces back down? Venezuela will be ruled by the guy in charge. It won’t be purely us soldiers sent to crush dissent, the USA expects their puppets to keep them under the usa’s power. This isn’t a “USA bad” post; every country installing new leaders in the place they invade obviously wants their investment to stay

The very fact that you're already calling a hypothetical fairly elected government US puppets just shows you're not willing to change your mind.

if the country is under a “yeah it’s democratic and our soldiers left, but that’s because someone close to us got elected,” the elections are now not really free. Everyone knows they get bombed if they don’t elect someone else. Everyone knows that if the U.S. is invading because they nationalized oil, they will do anything necessary to ensure it stays that way, and making Venezuela better and freer doesn’t necessarily lead to that. Making sure anti USA sentiment stays low is the only way.

Cool. I agree. And the international community should call out US when it happens.

 

[Natalija]

You are all going to play nice

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Lmfao pussy ass comment. Not quoting anyone, just stepping outside the convo to say “reee no one can talk about this you’re weak” after people push back on your comments. Who gives a fuck? I should what, pretend the future is super optimistic because hopeful people in a nation that we just took over might hurt me if they heard me?

Shut the fuck up, pussy. Jesus.

Wahhh wahhhh wahhh

 

[eamonpro]

The very fact that you're already calling a hypothetical fairly elected government US puppets just shows you're not willing to change your mind.


Cool. I agree. And the international community should call out US when it happens.

The longer it goes on and we pretend it won’t happen, the less calling it out means. Yeah, wait 25 years to assess if Trump is just bluffing

I mean, even in your response to me you admit the USA backs off only in exchange for oil. Which is not a one time deal, it’s a decades long relationship.

the very fact that you insist everyone and their mother is a Maduro lover shows that your mind is made up. Yeah my mind won’t be changed if all you can do is call me a Maduro lover. Really makes me think you don’t know good and well we will install a pro USA candidate at any cost when you parrot the “reee you’re all socialist dictator lovers if you dissent” line whenever the probability of it gets brought up.

How do you think invading a nation and ensuring they give you their resources works? You act blazé about it and let them choose to elect an anti USA candidate after live on tv saying you did this to get your corporate billionaires a shitload of money and are gonna rule over it until you decide someone can take over? Your hypotheticals are so unrealistic as to be obvious bullshit, bro, you know it.

 

[Natalija]

Not in the case of imperialism. > It's should not be done. Period.

There is no discussion to have on the subject. You don't discuss the legitimacy of rape in function of the situation, even if the person is horrible, right? It's the same thing here!

The discussion about Maduro is out of subject. It's not even relevant. There is now one big problem and it's the US.


Again: discussing Maduro in this context is discussing about the legitimacy of imperialism.

So you will only get one anti-imperialist answer: The US are an imperialist problem.

So, in your opinion, how would you get rid of imperialism?

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

The longer it goes on and we pretend it won’t happen, the less calling it out means. Yeah, wait 25 years to assess if Trump is just bluffing

I mean, even in your response to me you admit the USA backs off only in exchange for oil. Which is not a one time deal, it’s a decades long relationship.

the very fact that you insist everyone and their mother is a Maduro lover shows that your mind is made up. Yeah my mind won’t be changed if all you can do is call me a Maduro lover. Really makes me think you don’t know good and well we will install a pro USA candidate at any cost when you parrot the “reee you’re all socialist dictator lovers if you dissent” line whenever the probability of it gets brought up.

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More pussy shit.

Whatever. It'll be an objective + despite it being wrong because the lives of the Venezuelans will improve. As long as there isn't a war where innocents die. Which is the only thing I care about. Honestly, if things proceed smoothly then I will say Trump did a great thing. He deposed a dogshit govt and improved the lives of Venezuela. Alas, the chances of that is unknown and only the future knows about it. Better than pretending the country is already doomed when it's on track for improvement all things considered.

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So, in your opinion, how would you get rid of imperialism?

Write essays on worstgen talking about leftism. That'll do it and convince those evil dictators!

 

[eamonpro]

Whatever. It'll be an objective + despite it being wrong because the lives of the Venezuelans will improve. As long as there isn't a war where innocents die. Which is the only thing I care about. Honestly, if things proceed smoothly then I will say Trump did a great thing. He deposed a dogshit govt and improved the lives of Venezuela. Alas, the chances of that is unknown and only the future knows about it. Better than pretending the country is already doomed when it's on track for improvement all things considered.

how much will they improve, is a +1% increase in quality of life worth me being mandated to jerk off over it and pretend losing control of their biggest resource is a + for Venezuelans, or I’m a commie teenager?

hypothetical, you’ve already made it clear everyone who doesn’t jerk off over it is a commie teenager

“who knows what the future holds” = stop listening to the people who invaded when they’re honest about why. That’s been on repeat every day for a decade. Never listen to the leaders of the country or you’re a socialist dictator lover and a big meanie. P U S S Y shit

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

how much will they improve, is a +1% increase in quality of life worth me being mandated to jerk off over it and pretend losing control of their biggest resource is a + for Venezuelans, or I’m a commie teenager?

Yup. Even a slight improvement in the economy and the citizens not worrying about being killed for criticising the government is actually a huge +. Even if it benefits the US more.

Seems like you're more worried about Venezuela becoming pro-US rather than the actual lives of the citizens there. They can become the most pro-US country in the world for all I care about IF THEIR LIVES IMPROVE.

But alas, citizens suffering is fine as long as they're anti America amirite?

 

[Logiko]

So, in your opinion, how would you get rid of imperialism?

Interesting yet complicated question. I don't think there is one single answer.

The first priority should be the spreading of anti-capitalist knowledge as much as we can. Imperialism is but an extension of the system, so by knowing very well about the effect of capitalism (socially and geopolitically) we open the door to anti-imperialism.

Then we need to push anti-imperialist politics.. but it means creating socialist ones which means becoming the target of capitalist and imperialist country such as the US.

Capitalism is threatened by nature by socialism and the end of private proprety, capitalism needs the destruction of these systems to survive and create free market. So we can only become its target.

This is a big conundrum that can only be solve internationally. We need a collective international push toward leftism and a post-communist society, it's the only way we will be able to protect eachothers against the imperialist push and stuff like what happened today.

 

[Natalija]

how much will they improve, is a +1% increase in quality of life worth me being mandated to jerk off over it and pretend losing control of their biggest resource is a + for Venezuelans, or I’m a commie teenager?

That's not how it works, every country has ownership over their recourses, it's just that with the US companies being allowed to invest and bring technology will massively improve production = bring a lot more revenue to Venezuela, who will earn a lot via royalties, taxes and having a serious industry.

Venezuela didn't invest into it at all to have serious earnings, their production is now shit.

 

[eamonpro]

Yup. Even a slight improvement in the economy and the citizens not worrying about being killed for criticising the government is actually a huge +. Even if it benefits the US more.

Seems like you're more worried about Venezuela becoming pro-US rather than the actual lives of the citizens there. They can become the most pro-US country in the world for all I care about IF THEIR LIVES IMPROVE.

You keep refusing to honestly engage and ranting about how everyone but you is a mean anti USA dictator lover. Because you’re a pussy.

no, I’m concerned that even if it’s nominally better citizens will still be worried about being arrested or killed for dissent. Corruption will still be rampant. They can be pro USA, but if they will not be allowed to be anything but pro USA you will just spend the coming years ignoring news of dissenters being jailed and continuing to insist anything but a smile and pure optimistic hope is commie teenager dictator worship. And that well a few less people are getting killed so I have to suck the usas dick for it and pretend it ain’t monstrous. You started one day after the takeover, you’re gonna be one of the best at it.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Yup. Even a slight improvement in the economy and the citizens not worrying about being killed for criticising the government is actually a huge +. Even if it benefits the US more.

Seems like you're more worried about Venezuela becoming pro-US rather than the actual lives of the citizens there. They can become the most pro-US country in the world for all I care about IF THEIR LIVES IMPROVE.

But alas, citizens suffering is fine as long as they're anti America amirite?

Americans should first try to ease the sufferings of their own fucking citizens before trying to help others lol

And there's plenty examples of the US forcing a regime change for resources only for the country to stay the same or just become way worse than before.

All this is, is a cheap distraction from the Epstein files and the myriad other problems trump is having rn.